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Kessiaan Minmatar Army of One	Posted - 2008.12.29 07:32:00 - [1] Well, I've never been big on the "Eve Lore", but I like to read the chronicles once in a while, so today I read The Jovian Wetgrave and I was a bit confused, as the popular opinion seems to be that only a miniscule minority of non-Joves can use pod technology, yet the chronicle seems to indicate that you can stick anyone in a pod and they'll be fine, it's when they try to climb out again that things go horribly wrong. If that were true, it would seem that pod technology would be much more commonly used, since for every 'true' capsuleer that can freely climb out of their pod whenever they want and walk about, there would be many more who would be willing to make a one-way trip into a capsule, given the exceeding rarity of the former and the wealth and relative immortality of capsuleers as whole. Hope this right forum for this, though I'm sure I'll get flamed for it (RPlol and all that)
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.12.29 07:35:00 - [2] Well, look around for the ambulation ney-sayers and you got your "one way ticket" capsuleers right there The reason it's not public, is because it's not really cheap(i'm assuming here) and it takes training time and effort to stick a meatsicle in that egg. It's a privilege to become a pod pilot, it wouldn't if we weren't a mere 0.001% of the populus. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Jhagiti Tyran Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2008.12.29 07:59:00 - [3] In the story the Caldari officer had to undertake extensive cybernetic augmentation and it was obviously funded by the Navy most of the population could not afford or would not have access to it.
LordSwift INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE StarFleet Federation	Posted - 2008.12.29 08:17:00 - [4] Originally by: Kessiaan Well, I've never been big on the "Eve Lore", but I like to read the chronicles once in a while, so today I read The Jovian Wetgrave and I was a bit confused, as the popular opinion seems to be that only a miniscule minority of non-Joves can use pod technology, yet the chronicle seems to indicate that you can stick anyone in a pod and they'll be fine, it's when they try to climb out again that things go horribly wrong. If that were true, it would seem that pod technology would be much more commonly used, since for every 'true' capsuleer that can freely climb out of their pod whenever they want and walk about, there would be many more who would be willing to make a one-way trip into a capsule, given the exceeding rarity of the former and the wealth and relative immortality of capsuleers as whole. Hope this right forum for this, though I'm sure I'll get flamed for it (RPlol and all that) The reason this guy had mindlock was because he had only the implants installed and none of the training you need to have to prevent mindlock. thats what i gather from this story and other Eve Lore
Spike 68 Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.12.29 09:00:00 - [5] Im pretty sure I read somewhere that the jovians developed capsule technology so only few non-jovians have similar enough "bio-hardware" in order to use capsules. Im also pretty sure when I first played EVE pod pilots could not leave the pod after they entered.
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2008.12.29 12:16:00 - [6] Originally by: Kessiaan If that were true, it would seem that pod technology would be much more commonly used, since for every 'true' capsuleer that can freely climb out of their pod whenever they want and walk about, there would be many more who would be willing to make a one-way trip into a capsule, given the exceeding rarity of the former and the wealth and relative immortality of capsuleers as whole. Would you care about wealth and immortality if it meant spending the rest of your (loooooooong) life in a metal egg uncoupled from your normal senses? Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.29 13:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Kessiaan If that were true, it would seem that pod technology would be much more commonly used, since for every 'true' capsuleer that can freely climb out of their pod whenever they want and walk about, there would be many more who would be willing to make a one-way trip into a capsule, given the exceeding rarity of the former and the wealth and relative immortality of capsuleers as whole. Would you care about wealth and immortality if it meant spending the rest of your (loooooooong) life in a metal egg uncoupled from your normal senses? Hell yeah, i can shoot people! ----------------------------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp	Posted - 2008.12.29 13:15:00 - [8] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Kessiaan If that were true, it would seem that pod technology would be much more commonly used, since for every 'true' capsuleer that can freely climb out of their pod whenever they want and walk about, there would be many more who would be willing to make a one-way trip into a capsule, given the exceeding rarity of the former and the wealth and relative immortality of capsuleers as whole. Would you care about wealth and immortality if it meant spending the rest of your (loooooooong) life in a metal egg uncoupled from your normal senses? yes i would, and im sure many other would as well ----------------------------------------------- Free Trade Corp - Flash page "I often quote myself. It adds spice to my conversation."
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.29 16:32:00 - [9] It was never stated that Pod-Pilot can never leave their Pod. In fact most of the Stories early stories point to the contrary, "Forsaken Ruins" for example but the others as well. The Pod is indeed quite dangerous for an untrained user. All Player capsuleers are supposed to have gone through years of training and extensive testing before considered to be qualified to pilot through a Pod. Jovian Wetgrave tells the story what happens when an untrained or not sufficiently trained capsuleer uses a Pod.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.30 14:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Kessiaan If that were true, it would seem that pod technology would be much more commonly used, since for every 'true' capsuleer that can freely climb out of their pod whenever they want and walk about, there would be many more who would be willing to make a one-way trip into a capsule, given the exceeding rarity of the former and the wealth and relative immortality of capsuleers as whole. Would you care about wealth and immortality if it meant spending the rest of your (loooooooong) life in a metal egg uncoupled from your normal senses? I would not care. immortality ftw! And besides, as rthe ages passes I am sure there will come some way of getting out eventually.
Kessiaan Minmatar Army of One	Posted - 2008.12.30 15:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon It was never stated that Pod-Pilot can never leave their Pod. In fact most of the Stories early stories point to the contrary, "Forsaken Ruins" for example but the others as well. The Pod is indeed quite dangerous for an untrained user. All Player capsuleers are supposed to have gone through years of training and extensive testing before considered to be qualified to pilot through a Pod. Jovian Wetgrave tells the story what happens when an untrained or not sufficiently trained capsuleer uses a Pod. You're right, but you still missed the point. The Caldari officer in the story didn't become mindlocked until he was removed the pod. While he was in the pod, he was fine (aside from not knowing what he was doing, of course). This implies that an unsuitable capsuleer who attempts to use pod technology is only doomed to near-certain mindlock if they attempt to get out of the pod.
Pax Tranquilitae Amarr Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.30 15:34:00 - [12] Originally by: Kessiaan You're right, but you still missed the point. The Caldari officer in the story didn't become mindlocked until he was removed the pod. While he was in the pod, he was fine (aside from not knowing what he was doing, of course). This implies that an unsuitable capsuleer who attempts to use pod technology is only doomed to near-certain mindlock if they attempt to get out of the pod. You know that the pod pilot was fine, the pilot himself felt fine, but everyone around him thought he is not. It's like a clearly crazy person trying to convince everybody of not being crazy.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.30 19:54:00 - [13] I do remember way back when I started, it was always considered a one way trip. Eve lore has significantly changed over the years as more and more new stuff has been introduced into the game. I have read some stories created recently that directly conflict with the original stories. However, as technology advances, why can't there be changes that make old legends obsolete? IRL, they can cryogenically freeze you but have yet to figure out how to reverse it without serious tissue damage. Maybe one day, they'll figure it out so those who have been frozen won't be effectively dead any more. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers	Posted - 2008.12.30 21:37:00 - [14] We change history all the time in the modern world, why can't it happen in a fictional world? ............. Now recruiting like-minded pilots.
BruisedMoon Amarr Power Seed Enterprises A.X.I.S	Posted - 2008.12.30 21:46:00 - [15] Originally by: Kessiaan Well, I've never been big on the "Eve Lore", but I like to read the chronicles once in a while, so today I read The Jovian Wetgrave and I was a bit confused, as the popular opinion seems to be that only a miniscule minority of non-Joves can use pod technology, yet the chronicle seems to indicate that you can stick anyone in a pod and they'll be fine, it's when they try to climb out again that things go horribly wrong. If that were true, it would seem that pod technology would be much more commonly used, since for every 'true' capsuleer that can freely climb out of their pod whenever they want and walk about, there would be many more who would be willing to make a one-way trip into a capsule, given the exceeding rarity of the former and the wealth and relative immortality of capsuleers as whole. Hope this right forum for this, though I'm sure I'll get flamed for it (RPlol and all that) Ok heres what military experts are saying: First off, that story takes place way before the eve universe me and you live in. Further more a pod pilot could get out of his pod by "Clone jumping" from a pod to a real body and visa versa. Granted yes that body is still in the egg, but we all know you can have more bodys in eve! Let the bodys hit the flooor?
Kessiaan Minmatar Army of One	Posted - 2008.12.31 02:19:00 - [16] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker We change history all the time in the modern world, why can't it happen in a fictional world? Well.. IRL retcons are generally frowned upon. Not that that ever stopped anyone.
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.12.31 04:41:00 - [17] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Kessiaan If that were true, it would seem that pod technology would be much more commonly used, since for every 'true' capsuleer that can freely climb out of their pod whenever they want and walk about, there would be many more who would be willing to make a one-way trip into a capsule, given the exceeding rarity of the former and the wealth and relative immortality of capsuleers as whole. Would you care about wealth and immortality if it meant spending the rest of your (loooooooong) life in a metal egg uncoupled from your normal senses? can my camera drone fit into a stripper bar? or at least can they play holo-vids on those billboards? ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
m3talc0re X Caldari Heavens Gate Consortium	Posted - 2008.12.31 05:49:00 - [18] I think if you were absolutely stuck in the pod never to be allowed to get out of it or you go into mind lock, a stripper would be the last thing you would want to look at or think about. It would be nothing but a kick in the nuts. You couldn't touch her, you couldn't choke the chicken, you couldn't do anything but look. As for the The Jovian Wetgrave though... It doesn't all add up to me. It doesn't mention in the story what would happen if they simply plugged him back into a pod. Would he be perfectly capable in a pod, just not outside it? Also, even with today's real life technology, we would be able to see there is obviously brain activity and that it's simply is body not responding. You mean to tell me as advanced as they are now (especially the Jove), they wouldn't stumble across that? I would like to see maybe a story or at least a news release or something stating that the first pod pilot has been fixed or is discovered to be fine in a pod with his functioning mind, his body just doesn't work anymore.. Or hell, even be completely cured of it? I wish we could get more stories XD I want to read the novel soooooo bad, just don't have the money to spare for it atm :/ -------------------------- Wait, what now? Yes, I was Anubis Assassin, this will be my new main XD
Mithfindel Gallente Zenko Group	Posted - 2008.12.31 07:01:00 - [19] Edited by: Mithfindel on 31/12/2008 07:05:26 I've always assumed that mindlocked capsuleers have basically had a full paralysis of their non-autonomous body functions. So even if they'd be put back into the pod, they couldn't use the ship since it's their "body" while they are in the capsule. Also, there's some genetic compatibility, so I'd assume that the Caldari officer to test the pod had already been screened, not just being a random crew member to be thrown into the pod. Still it was risky business: It might have been that he couldn't have actually done anything inside the pod (i.e. instead of receiving a mindlock at pod exit, he could have received a mindlock at entering the pod). Of course, there's no prime fiction reference for this. Edit: Also, since the Jove who can be assumed to have had the pod tech for quite long don't know a cure for the mindlock (except the genetic treatments they've applied to themselves so that they are less likely to get one, but I assume that they'd need to be applied before going to the pod, preferably pre-birth), the Empires finding a cure would be quite unlikely. The most likely candidates to find a cure, though, would be the Amarr with their advanced medical technology (they can make working cybernetics and highly advanced implants, it's just that they're expensive and usually kept for the upper class) or then Zainou Biotech (according to PF, Zainou's founder has transferred his consciousness into a computer).
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.31 09:39:00 - [20] That is all correct but there was never any chronicle mentioning that you can never leave your Pod, not even when I started reading them in 05. There was also no change of history that I was aware of. Catch of the Day was already an old story when I joined EVE and it is about a Trader that regulary enters and leaves his Pod. Ruthless, the story that introduced Otro Gariushi had also Pod Pilots that could leave their Pod without problems. The idea that Pod Pilots can never leave a Pod comes from the fact that there is right now, no game mechanic for Capsuleers that are out of Pod. Until WiS comes out, of course.

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