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Sean Faust Gallente Point of No Return Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.30 15:21:00 - [1] Last night on my Caldari alt (who is able to fly a falcon but hasn't yet) I went out on a roam with some guys from my corp/alliance in a blackbird whose mid slots were filled with t2 jammers and lows were filled with SDAs. Once the fighting started when we ran into a hostile gang, I was ordered to jam as many enemy HACs as I could. I managed to completely take 2 zealots and an eagle out of the fight for the 45 or so seconds I was alive before I got called primary and blown out of the sky. My question is... Why can't I do similar things in a Celestis? Why does ECM get to be the only form of EWAR that can effectively take multiple enemy ships out of the battle?
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.30 15:25:00 - [2] I suspect another "nerf ECM" thread. It's getting hilarious... Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Sean Faust Gallente Point of No Return Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.30 15:26:00 - [3] nope . . ECM is fine as is. buff other forms of EWAR so that ships like the bellicose, arbitrator, and celestis can be as effective as a t1 blackbird in a group engagement.
lebrata Hedion University	Posted - 2008.12.30 15:43:00 - [4] POSTING IN YET ANOTHER FALCON TROLL THREAD. DEAR DIARY.... Why can i not solo well in my falcon, i use a arazu for solo as with damps and its 50km point range i can kill quite a good array of ships solo. But with a falcon the dmg is too low and if i miss a jam in at close range i get melted, as ecm is chance based and as such sucks at close range, while damps work perfectly and constantly in their ranges...... It is almost like damps and ecm are two different systems and that depending on the circumstances they are both better than the other...... /END SARCASM.
Stil Harkonnen	Posted - 2008.12.30 15:49:00 - [5] yeah guys buff other types of electronic warfare. If all EWAR was as strong as ECM in the hands of a falcon, then t2 cruisers would be all anybody ever trained for. Battles would almost be non existant because nobody could lock, hit or do anything to their opponents. better decision, fix ECM/falcons. If you say they don't need a fix, you're probably a big fan of falcon alts and you never leave a station without logging them on.
Sean Faust Gallente Point of No Return Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.30 15:51:00 - [6] Edited by: Sean Faust on 30/12/2008 15:51:32 im not talking about falcons. I'm talking about the t1 ships the recons are based on. Idiots.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.30 15:51:00 - [7] Originally by: Sean Faust nope . . ECM is fine as is. buff other forms of EWAR so that ships like the bellicose, arbitrator, and celestis can be as effective as a t1 blackbird in a group engagement. Ok, then I'm sorry. Buff other ewar? Look: There are so many ships which were good in the past. Pilgrim, Arazu, Rapier for instance. They have been nerfed (nos, damps, webs nerfed because people complain and complain about this and that) and yet nobody flies them anymore. Well, Rapier might be still ok. The chances that these changes have a rollback are 0. Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.30 15:53:00 - [8] Edited by: Colonel Xaven on 30/12/2008 15:53:37 Originally by: Stil Harkonnen yeah guys buff other types of electronic warfare. If all EWAR was as strong as ECM in the hands of a falcon, then t2 cruisers would be all anybody ever trained for. Battles would almost be non existant because nobody could lock, hit or do anything to their opponents. better decision, fix ECM/falcons. You better get back to the "omg plz plz nerf falcons I cant fit ECCM" threads, dude. First you should face the arguments posted there and then come back and make a statement. Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Sean Faust Gallente Point of No Return Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.30 16:00:00 - [9] Edited by: Sean Faust on 30/12/2008 16:05:05 Edited by: Sean Faust on 30/12/2008 16:04:37 And for those of you who don't excel at reading comprehension... ECM does not equal falcon. Not once did I mention falcon in my opening post. I specifically mentioned blackbird. This is not a falcon whine This is not an ECM whine This is simply a complaint that other races' t1 EWAR cruisers (aside from the abritrator which acts more like a combat ship than an EWAR ship) don't function as well as the blackbird in group pvp, and are complete and utter wastes of space that don't perform the job an EWAR ship should, which the blackbird does. Something needs to be done about this. EWAR in general (aside from ECM) needs to be buffed because if the ECM whiners have their way and it is nerfed to utter uselessness like most other forms of EWAR have been, then all form of strategy and tactics will have been stripped from the game and every fight will be slugfests where the bigger ships with better numbers win by default. ECM should not be the only viable form of EWAR to bring to a large roaming gang. More EWAR = more strategy, more tactics, and more diverse groups.
Centra Spike Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2008.12.30 16:22:00 - [10] The Bellicose is a combat juggernaut. TBH my Raven has a Bellicose alt when I used Bane Rage torps. ------
Myrfrost	Posted - 2008.12.30 16:32:00 - [11] WOW, how many of these posts are there going to be? I hope the Devs are able to see where they originate. I wonder how many are the same few people? You have a point. The other EWar ships should be able to do the same and should be buffed so they are equally usefull. Sure Falcons might grief some players who are used to being able to grief other people. Last night we had a gang drop in and start salvaging our mission while we were in the process of finishing it. I didn't even know that could be done. They made every effort to lure our pve equiped ships into a fight. As soon as a Falcon dropped into the area they all jumped. WTF? They are willing to stay and fight as long as the odds are wildly in their favor and run like babies when there is the slightest chance it isn't? I guess they then came here to post about how terribly unbalanced the Falcon is after a fight they were not even brave enough to fight. OK secret to tell we would have probably still lost. The Falcon pilot wasn't very good and we had no way to keep them in combat. It's also true maybe they didn't come here and post anything. I'm not sure they were old enough to post Anyway the point is that EWar brings a more complex and interesting level of play to the game. All of the EWar ships should be capable of fighting and capable of doing their jobs. Right now only one is really very worth while or so it appears. I guess that's kind of true with ships in other categories as well but it needs to be addressed in the EWar ships. All of the ships need to have enough range to be effective and not simply target practice for Pilots in big ships with big guns. Balance is not about making Gankers happy. It's about making the game interesting and adding checks and counters to each piece. The proper counter at some level to EWar should be EWar.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2008.12.30 16:43:00 - [12] Originally by: Sean Faust Last night on my Caldari alt (who is able to fly a falcon but hasn't yet) I went out on a roam with some guys from my corp/alliance in a blackbird whose mid slots were filled with t2 jammers and lows were filled with SDAs. Once the fighting started when we ran into a hostile gang, I was ordered to jam as many enemy HACs as I could. I managed to completely take 2 zealots and an eagle out of the fight for the 45 or so seconds I was alive before I got called primary and blown out of the sky. My question is... Why can't I do similar things in a Celestis? Why does ECM get to be the only form of EWAR that can effectively take multiple enemy ships out of the battle? Because ccp is too lazy to actually fix something that is broken? ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Neverending Story
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis	Posted - 2008.12.30 19:43:00 - [13] Arbitrator can do the same thing fit with 3 tracking disruptors against turret ships (and, there is no module to get back falloff), lets cry about that too. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Myra2007 Perkone	Posted - 2008.12.30 20:00:00 - [14] Originally by: Artemis Rose Arbitrator can do the same thing fit with 3 tracking disruptors against turret ships (and, there is no module to get back falloff), lets cry about that too. Except those ships will still be able to neut, web, scram and remote rep just fine. However people will whine about it soon enough after the falcon got nerfed. (Which prett much is bound to happen - just read zuluparks q/a carefully...) I love the falcon. Its a hell of a fun ship unless you're the one on the wrong side of its jammers. CCP will nerf it eventually like they have nerfed so many other of my toys though. Anyone who believes it won't happen is fooling himself imho. Better get prepared... -- Originally by: kublai on Ankhesentapemkah That said, the "i'm a girl who plays your computer game and i'm not that ugly" has always been a certain winner in the mmo world
Elurilmar	Posted - 2008.12.30 20:13:00 - [15] The arbitrator is just as if not more useful than a blackbird. It all depends on how the pilot chooses to fly the ship. A properly fitted arbitrator can take 3 and sometimes 4 turret ships completely out of commission for potentially longer than 45 seconds, while avoiding their fire at the same time. A celestis can prevent ships from targetting other ships that it was not engaged to before it got hit with the dampeners. It is all respective to a pilot and his situation.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.30 20:19:00 - [16] Originally by: Myra2007 CCP will nerf it eventually like they have nerfed so many other of my toys though. Anyone who believes it won't happen is fooling himself imho. Better get prepared... Better read again. They're planning to boost ECCM and give caldari ships a range bonus. The whining about ECM will still go on... Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Myra2007 Perkone	Posted - 2008.12.30 20:24:00 - [17] Edited by: Myra2007 on 30/12/2008 20:25:11 Originally by: Colonel Xaven Better read again. They're planning to boost ECCM and give caldari ships a range bonus. The whining about ECM will still go on... The way i read it he is actually talking about taking away/decreasing the ecm range bonuses from the relevant caldari ships. However believe what you want. People told me i was insane when i said they'll nerf nos/neuts, they told me i am mad when i said nano is going to get but**ed but in the end i was right every single time. Its not rocket science imo. edit; however i wrote down your name - when the nerf hits i'll write you an evemail stating "told you so" -- Originally by:** kublai on Ankhesentapemkah That said, the "i'm a girl who plays your computer game and i'm not that ugly" has always been a certain winner in the mmo world
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.30 20:28:00 - [18] Yeah please do so. But I think I cannot misread that: Quote: Falcon - ECM: Yeah, afaik Nozh is looking at range bonuses on Caldari ships and he wants to improve ECCM. Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Xephys	Posted - 2008.12.30 21:03:00 - [19] I really do wish the Bellicose got some sort of web bonus, so it is a ship that's worth using. I understand that some could argue that a low SP character could use one in a large fleet to be useful, but that's about it, useless everywhere else. BB is useful in small gangs, fleets and even duos of ships (Trust me, this DOES work >_>). Same for celestis. Arbie has a very nice drone bonus, meaning it is arguably the best Amarrian cruiser, very nice for solo work. It's TD bonus makes it useful in small gangs too, but not as much as a BB. So yeah, buff T1 EWAR ships please. ;)
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers	Posted - 2008.12.30 21:24:00 - [20] And the frigates, too! I'd like to see the e-war frigates with as many mid-slots as the cruisers, and the cruisers get one or two extra. A crucifier should be able to field at least two tracking disruptors for crying out loud! ............. Now recruiting like-minded pilots.
Xiaodown coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.12.30 22:26:00 - [21] Originally by: Myra2007 I love the falcon. Its a hell of a fun ship unless you're the one on the wrong side of its jammers. CCP will nerf it eventually like they have nerfed so many other of my toys though. Anyone who believes it won't happen is fooling himself imho. Better get prepared... Won't be a nerf. What they should do is put its ECM bonus back to 10% like it was a year ago, which will make people use rooks again, and the falcon will occasionally gasp miss a jam cycle. Then it will be fine, it will be back to what it was last year when it was a decent non overpowered asset to a gang, not the i-win button it is now BECAUSE it got buffed. -- Sig under construction.
r0b0to Dark Star Cartel	Posted - 2008.12.30 23:43:00 - [22] i miss the unnerfed damping celestis, cheap and annoying :\ -----------
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2008.12.31 00:12:00 - [23] Originally by: Sean Faust Last night on my Caldari alt (who is able to fly a falcon but hasn't yet) I went out on a roam with some guys from my corp/alliance in a blackbird whose mid slots were filled with t2 jammers and lows were filled with SDAs. Once the fighting started when we ran into a hostile gang, I was ordered to jam as many enemy HACs as I could. I managed to completely take 2 zealots and an eagle out of the fight for the 45 or so seconds I was alive before I got called primary and blown out of the sky. My question is... Why can't I do similar things in a Celestis? Why does ECM get to be the only form of EWAR that can effectively take multiple enemy ships out of the battle? Because the caldari ECM ships are highly specced in that area. And yeah, these "nerf Falcon" threads is getting tedious. I have played the game for quite some time now,n ever had a problem with ECM.
d'hofren Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2008.12.31 00:51:00 - [24] Originally by: Myrfrost WOW, how many of these posts are there going to be? I hope the Devs are able to see where they originate. I wonder how many are the same few people? You have a point. The other EWar ships should be able to do the same and should be buffed so they are equally usefull. Sure Falcons might grief some players who are used to being able to grief other people. Last night we had a gang drop in and start salvaging our mission while we were in the process of finishing it. I didn't even know that could be done. They made every effort to lure our pve equiped ships into a fight. As soon as a Falcon dropped into the area they all jumped. WTF? They are willing to stay and fight as long as the odds are wildly in their favor and run like babies when there is the slightest chance it isn't? I guess they then came here to post about how terribly unbalanced the Falcon is after a fight they were not even brave enough to fight. OK secret to tell we would have probably still lost. The Falcon pilot wasn't very good and we had no way to keep them in combat. It's also true maybe they didn't come here and post anything. I'm not sure they were old enough to post Anyway the point is that EWar brings a more complex and interesting level of play to the game. All of the EWar ships should be capable of fighting and capable of doing their jobs. Right now only one is really very worth while or so it appears. I guess that's kind of true with ships in other categories as well but it needs to be addressed in the EWar ships. All of the ships need to have enough range to be effective and not simply target practice for Pilots in big ships with big guns. Balance is not about making Gankers happy. It's about making the game interesting and adding checks and counters to each piece. The proper counter at some level to EWar should be EWar. God, you really don't get it do you. Those guys weren't "gankers", they were after a bit of free salvage and maybe, (if one of you fell for an easy bait), a bit of easy TII loot. So you dropped a falcon on them and they thought it wasn't worth the effort. Come to think of it after 4 odd years of playing this game, I couldn't even describe what a ganker is. The simple reason for that is that there is no such thing. There are people who plan a fight better than the next person, there are people who end up on in the wrong place at the wrong time and so on the end of an inordinate amount of fire power. There are corps and alliances that steam roll by using greater numbers. Just about everyone with half a brain cell uses focused fire to removing incoming damage. There are pirate types who use set gatecamps to farm modules / isk from other players. But none of them are gankers, there is no such thing as a ganker in eve. Peoples' gripes with falcons are simple: {b] Range -they can do the jam thing from 250km away and there is bugger all with sufficient alpha / dps to kill one off before it can warp and start a fresh cycle. Yep, you can bring snipe Hacs, (well, Hac, the eagle is the only one with the range to do it), and snipe BS, but in doing that you bork your gang composition meaning that a hand full of close range damage dealers and tacklers will walk all over you. Unless you also have falcons. Other racial ECM [b], none have the chance of shutting down other ships in the way that ECM does, (and the chance with ECM is pretty high, with the usual 3 racial and 2 multi you can more or less guarantee closing down 2+ targets). * Tracking disruptors - only effect turret ships and are limited to close to mid range * Damps, again only close to mid range * Target painters, do nothing against incoming dps, only really effect over sized weapons on smaller targets.

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