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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2004.07.22 15:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: Gunstar Zero
drones need a little tweaking - tracking needs to be implemented in one form or another.
My main issue is with the Thorax - it's drone bay needs to be halved. Thorax is a capable cruiser without it's heavy drones - with them it's way over powered.
Rather then Nerf... Why not make all other cruisers better.
yah well, or that :-)
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2004.07.22 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: Gunstar Zero
drones need a little tweaking - tracking needs to be implemented in one form or another.
My main issue is with the Thorax - it's drone bay needs to be halved. Thorax is a capable cruiser without it's heavy drones - with them it's way over powered.
Rather then Nerf... Why not make all other cruisers better.
yah well, or that :-)
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.07.22 16:12:00 -
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Drones are needed for many reasons. The simple fact that they are an armaggedon's ONLY defense against certain elite frigates they have to stay until there was an adequate replacement.
People are meant to be able to hunt NPCs solo. Otherwise they would be tougher.
I agree they cause unwholsome amounts of lag and their UI interface needs some lovin' but that really is a different topic all together.
I know in EVE they call them battleships but tbh the battleship has been a dead naval concept for quite sometime. They have all been replaced by carriers. I totally see why CCP made battleships essentially carrier/battleship hybrids because it just makes sense.
Since fuel is not really a requirement in this game you can't really use that as a limiting factor to their deployment as it gets too complicated.
I think your cheif complaint tbh is that you can't "fly" your frigate. Meaning that you can't dodge bullets from the drones and maybe hopefully take them out before they erase you. But this game isn't like that it's more like a tabletop roleplaying game where hits are determined not by your twitch skills but by luck and circumstance.
Would it be cool if a really good frigate pilot could shoot them down? Yeah probably would but that is a different game.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.07.22 16:12:00 -
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Drones are needed for many reasons. The simple fact that they are an armaggedon's ONLY defense against certain elite frigates they have to stay until there was an adequate replacement.
People are meant to be able to hunt NPCs solo. Otherwise they would be tougher.
I agree they cause unwholsome amounts of lag and their UI interface needs some lovin' but that really is a different topic all together.
I know in EVE they call them battleships but tbh the battleship has been a dead naval concept for quite sometime. They have all been replaced by carriers. I totally see why CCP made battleships essentially carrier/battleship hybrids because it just makes sense.
Since fuel is not really a requirement in this game you can't really use that as a limiting factor to their deployment as it gets too complicated.
I think your cheif complaint tbh is that you can't "fly" your frigate. Meaning that you can't dodge bullets from the drones and maybe hopefully take them out before they erase you. But this game isn't like that it's more like a tabletop roleplaying game where hits are determined not by your twitch skills but by luck and circumstance.
Would it be cool if a really good frigate pilot could shoot them down? Yeah probably would but that is a different game.
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Cermanus
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Posted - 2004.07.22 16:18:00 -
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Try taking anti drone defence escorts, like a caracal that keeps out of drone range and spams them with missiles. It works a treat for me. That is a part of the mixed fleet you want. If on the other hand u don't want to make an effort to have some sort of drone defence then u deserve to get your arse kicked.
Heavy and medium drones are fine, the only thing needed is to stick to their maximum firing and targetting range. As for using small drones against frigs, there is a good reason why noone but noobs use them (outside of lag making or npc distractions), they are so weak both in offence and defence they are not worth the effort.
I'm sick of people who can't think outside the box and just want everything nerfed to fit their playing style. Part of what makes eve fun is having to adapt and take risks. So try and think up stratergies for your problems, instead of crying nerf.
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Cermanus
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Posted - 2004.07.22 16:18:00 -
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Try taking anti drone defence escorts, like a caracal that keeps out of drone range and spams them with missiles. It works a treat for me. That is a part of the mixed fleet you want. If on the other hand u don't want to make an effort to have some sort of drone defence then u deserve to get your arse kicked.
Heavy and medium drones are fine, the only thing needed is to stick to their maximum firing and targetting range. As for using small drones against frigs, there is a good reason why noone but noobs use them (outside of lag making or npc distractions), they are so weak both in offence and defence they are not worth the effort.
I'm sick of people who can't think outside the box and just want everything nerfed to fit their playing style. Part of what makes eve fun is having to adapt and take risks. So try and think up stratergies for your problems, instead of crying nerf.
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Selim
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Posted - 2004.07.22 16:49:00 -
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Drones are made to counter frigates.
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Selim
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Posted - 2004.07.22 16:49:00 -
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Drones are made to counter frigates.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.22 16:53:00 -
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Finally, the solution evolved from the stationary defenses of all things. The Gallenteans had employed mines for a long time with so-so results, but with the massive advances in robotics technology taking place at this time the mines were slowly transformed into a far deadlier object. The first drones were little more than mines with proximity detonators and some limited moving capabilities, but soon they had advanced to the level that a single drone almost rivaled a solo-fighterĘs capabilities. The fact that drones were many times cheaper to build than fighters and didnĘt require a highly trained pilot meant that the days of the solo-fighters were numbered. The drones reversed the tide of the war and now the Caldari were scrambling to come up with a solution against these new weapons. It didnĘt take them that long - they simply upgraded their fighters a bit, added some shields and extra weapons and called the new vessels frigates. Some extra crew was also needed at first, but then the Caldari obtained capsule technology from the Jovians some years later and could again reduce the crew to one on most frigates.
Drones were made for anti fighter combat
Frigates were made for antidrone combat.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.22 16:53:00 -
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Finally, the solution evolved from the stationary defenses of all things. The Gallenteans had employed mines for a long time with so-so results, but with the massive advances in robotics technology taking place at this time the mines were slowly transformed into a far deadlier object. The first drones were little more than mines with proximity detonators and some limited moving capabilities, but soon they had advanced to the level that a single drone almost rivaled a solo-fighterĘs capabilities. The fact that drones were many times cheaper to build than fighters and didnĘt require a highly trained pilot meant that the days of the solo-fighters were numbered. The drones reversed the tide of the war and now the Caldari were scrambling to come up with a solution against these new weapons. It didnĘt take them that long - they simply upgraded their fighters a bit, added some shields and extra weapons and called the new vessels frigates. Some extra crew was also needed at first, but then the Caldari obtained capsule technology from the Jovians some years later and could again reduce the crew to one on most frigates.
Drones were made for anti fighter combat
Frigates were made for antidrone combat.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.22 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Cruz on 22/07/2004 16:56:16
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.22 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Cruz on 22/07/2004 16:56:16
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Nevinyrral
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Posted - 2004.07.22 18:54:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Nevinyrral on 22/07/2004 18:58:48
Frost88 I understand where you and all the frigate pilots are coming from but I still think that you all are forgetting that frigates are still the bottom of the line ships in eve. They have tactical advantages over Cruiser and Battleships in they're ability to dodge and weave into the fray.
BUT Seriously, why should a frigate be immune to practically everything large and have only to fear small weapons? You may get your a$$ handed to you by a battleship but did you ever sit and go "Oh my god! my frigate!!" no. you just went and bought another one. They're replacable and expendable. They aren't suppose to be the end all and be all of Webbing and Warp jamming :)
You all speak of the need for mixed fleets get a missile ship with a fast lock and blow the drones away. It's a Battleship for cryin outloud it's suppose to be a combat Juggernaught.
CCP has already given frigates a lot of advantages over what they used to have and I personally think this is about as far as it should go.
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Nevinyrral
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Posted - 2004.07.22 18:54:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Nevinyrral on 22/07/2004 18:58:48
Frost88 I understand where you and all the frigate pilots are coming from but I still think that you all are forgetting that frigates are still the bottom of the line ships in eve. They have tactical advantages over Cruiser and Battleships in they're ability to dodge and weave into the fray.
BUT Seriously, why should a frigate be immune to practically everything large and have only to fear small weapons? You may get your a$$ handed to you by a battleship but did you ever sit and go "Oh my god! my frigate!!" no. you just went and bought another one. They're replacable and expendable. They aren't suppose to be the end all and be all of Webbing and Warp jamming :)
You all speak of the need for mixed fleets get a missile ship with a fast lock and blow the drones away. It's a Battleship for cryin outloud it's suppose to be a combat Juggernaught.
CCP has already given frigates a lot of advantages over what they used to have and I personally think this is about as far as it should go.
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Aehriman
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Posted - 2004.07.22 19:43:00 -
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Think there's too many people that think this is about leveling up to the best ship and best gear out there. If that were true why would CCP put in interceptors and have more elite frigs, new small ships and such coming out. Why not just make BS's cheaper and add in even bigger ships?
Do I like my battleship, yes. Would I prefer to have teammates chasing down enemy frigates? From a for fun standpoint yes. From an I need to win standpoint, drones are what I want. Difference being, one is fun, the other gets real boring.
Frankly if it gets to the point where all battles are are dreadnoughts sluggin it out and frigs become worthless even for scouting with the advent of actual scout drones then it will be a very boring game indead.
There's only so much entertainment in watching 2 space stations shoot at each other....
Frigates, like cruisers, should have more than one role....and taking the time to lock the 8-15 drones launched by any PvP worthy player, especially in large battles means you are useless. That goes for any ship.
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Aehriman
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Posted - 2004.07.22 19:43:00 -
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Think there's too many people that think this is about leveling up to the best ship and best gear out there. If that were true why would CCP put in interceptors and have more elite frigs, new small ships and such coming out. Why not just make BS's cheaper and add in even bigger ships?
Do I like my battleship, yes. Would I prefer to have teammates chasing down enemy frigates? From a for fun standpoint yes. From an I need to win standpoint, drones are what I want. Difference being, one is fun, the other gets real boring.
Frankly if it gets to the point where all battles are are dreadnoughts sluggin it out and frigs become worthless even for scouting with the advent of actual scout drones then it will be a very boring game indead.
There's only so much entertainment in watching 2 space stations shoot at each other....
Frigates, like cruisers, should have more than one role....and taking the time to lock the 8-15 drones launched by any PvP worthy player, especially in large battles means you are useless. That goes for any ship.
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toaster
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Posted - 2004.07.22 20:22:00 -
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I'd have to disagree...drones are the quickest way to rid youself of pesky warp-scramming frigs, as well as one of your only weapons while jammed.
At the same time a good frig pilot can get away in the knick of time if he's mindful of drones being deployed.
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toaster
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Posted - 2004.07.22 20:22:00 -
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I'd have to disagree...drones are the quickest way to rid youself of pesky warp-scramming frigs, as well as one of your only weapons while jammed.
At the same time a good frig pilot can get away in the knick of time if he's mindful of drones being deployed.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.07.22 20:26:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Mortuus
Edited by: Mortuus on 22/07/2004 13:23:27
I do use a battleship, I use my tempest. But sometimes its better to use a frigate or ceptor to guess what...wait for it....HELP YOUR FLEET. Battleships can't kill anything by themselves unless the target lets them.
This isn't a game based around getting the most ISK, ISK is easy. Hell, you can do 100mil a day just farming NPC's.
Also, elite frigates hardly cost 100k, try more like 5-12mil.
So by your definition even if the Thorax has 10 drones I should be able to wtfpwn it in a Crow (currently at 12mil) with no problem at all. Right thats how it works, spend more money and you should wtfpwn anything that costs less right?
Wake up, the game will be a lot more interesting when there's a reason for frigates to shoot at each other. I'd like to see battleships shooting at eachother, with cruisers running around and frigates swirling around the melee shooting eachother to make sure their friends can warp out when needed.
gee, that sounds more fun than line up battleships, release drones, shoot enemy. Frigates run forward and hope to live longer than 30 seconds against the 100+ deployed enemy drones...
Notice I never said I wanted drones to go away, or be nerfed to being useless. I just think frigates should have a viable defense against them.
A battleship can't kill anything without support? You sure you know how to use your tempest? I don't.
About the price of a crow, maybe you should wakeup and realize that the base price is what, 1mil or something. If cruisers were new and there were few sources that built them the prices would be equally as insane. Blame CCP for the ripoff prices.
I don't know why all you people complain about having mixed fleets.
1. Fleets have been mixed for a long time
2. Fleet combat is the least most lagtastic type of combat in game
3. I think using the word fleet gives a lot of people a stiffy
Drones infinite range has to be fixed, that it though.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.07.22 20:26:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Mortuus
Edited by: Mortuus on 22/07/2004 13:23:27
I do use a battleship, I use my tempest. But sometimes its better to use a frigate or ceptor to guess what...wait for it....HELP YOUR FLEET. Battleships can't kill anything by themselves unless the target lets them.
This isn't a game based around getting the most ISK, ISK is easy. Hell, you can do 100mil a day just farming NPC's.
Also, elite frigates hardly cost 100k, try more like 5-12mil.
So by your definition even if the Thorax has 10 drones I should be able to wtfpwn it in a Crow (currently at 12mil) with no problem at all. Right thats how it works, spend more money and you should wtfpwn anything that costs less right?
Wake up, the game will be a lot more interesting when there's a reason for frigates to shoot at each other. I'd like to see battleships shooting at eachother, with cruisers running around and frigates swirling around the melee shooting eachother to make sure their friends can warp out when needed.
gee, that sounds more fun than line up battleships, release drones, shoot enemy. Frigates run forward and hope to live longer than 30 seconds against the 100+ deployed enemy drones...
Notice I never said I wanted drones to go away, or be nerfed to being useless. I just think frigates should have a viable defense against them.
A battleship can't kill anything without support? You sure you know how to use your tempest? I don't.
About the price of a crow, maybe you should wakeup and realize that the base price is what, 1mil or something. If cruisers were new and there were few sources that built them the prices would be equally as insane. Blame CCP for the ripoff prices.
I don't know why all you people complain about having mixed fleets.
1. Fleets have been mixed for a long time
2. Fleet combat is the least most lagtastic type of combat in game
3. I think using the word fleet gives a lot of people a stiffy
Drones infinite range has to be fixed, that it though.
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Carter Burke
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Posted - 2004.07.22 20:49:00 -
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Drones are a problem? I got one word for you.
Smartbomb.
CB
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Carter Burke
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Posted - 2004.07.22 20:49:00 -
[112]
Drones are a problem? I got one word for you.
Smartbomb.
CB
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.22 21:13:00 -
[113]
I knew the original poster would be whining about frigates and drones without even reading the thread.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.22 21:13:00 -
[114]
I knew the original poster would be whining about frigates and drones without even reading the thread.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
SomebodyPodMePlease
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Posted - 2004.07.23 01:56:00 -
[115]
With the exception of their range, drones are fine. Quit whining about it. Your frigate can't kill a battleship, now get over it. You keep saying "I'm not trying to take them down alone," when, in fact, you are. You want to survive? Don't attack a battleship in a frigate. If you choose to engage, well, pray. You are attacking a tank with a handgun, what do you expect? If you survive, its a combination of luck and an inexperienced enemy.
You are trying to have to game change to your tactics as someone has already said. Nobody is holding a gun to CCP's head stopping them from changing drones, as you have suggested Frost.
Mixed fleets...Well, I cant say much here whether or not they are mixed. But I can say that you are going about it the wrong way if you do want more mixed fleets. You are trying to nerf battleships and make frigs more powerful in doing so, which in turns makes fewer of them on the field, which makes more frigates. Now you have the same thing, but you are at the other end of the spectrum. Good job. People are using battleships because they want to use battleships. Making battleships unattractive will cause the majority of the population to quit (hope Im not losing you here - the majority of the population pilot battleships), which is why CCP is smarter than you and won't let that happen.
You want to use a frigate, be my guest. Just don't complain when you get killed by an anti-frigate weapon. You want an anti-drone weapon, try some smartbombs. Don't want to use that? Don't complain. Use another ship (battleship). Don't want to use another ship? Use your ship of choice, don't complain when things don't go your way. Or, you can always just not play the game. Your frigate is not designed to attack a battleship. Use it to attack other frigates. Don't nerf battleships because you can't take one on in a ship 1/1000th of the cost. |
SomebodyPodMePlease
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Posted - 2004.07.23 01:56:00 -
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With the exception of their range, drones are fine. Quit whining about it. Your frigate can't kill a battleship, now get over it. You keep saying "I'm not trying to take them down alone," when, in fact, you are. You want to survive? Don't attack a battleship in a frigate. If you choose to engage, well, pray. You are attacking a tank with a handgun, what do you expect? If you survive, its a combination of luck and an inexperienced enemy.
You are trying to have to game change to your tactics as someone has already said. Nobody is holding a gun to CCP's head stopping them from changing drones, as you have suggested Frost.
Mixed fleets...Well, I cant say much here whether or not they are mixed. But I can say that you are going about it the wrong way if you do want more mixed fleets. You are trying to nerf battleships and make frigs more powerful in doing so, which in turns makes fewer of them on the field, which makes more frigates. Now you have the same thing, but you are at the other end of the spectrum. Good job. People are using battleships because they want to use battleships. Making battleships unattractive will cause the majority of the population to quit (hope Im not losing you here - the majority of the population pilot battleships), which is why CCP is smarter than you and won't let that happen.
You want to use a frigate, be my guest. Just don't complain when you get killed by an anti-frigate weapon. You want an anti-drone weapon, try some smartbombs. Don't want to use that? Don't complain. Use another ship (battleship). Don't want to use another ship? Use your ship of choice, don't complain when things don't go your way. Or, you can always just not play the game. Your frigate is not designed to attack a battleship. Use it to attack other frigates. Don't nerf battleships because you can't take one on in a ship 1/1000th of the cost. |
Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2004.07.23 02:14:00 -
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Heavy drones are not an appropriate weapon to employ vs frigs...they are like the torpedoes of the drone world, should have a serious disadvantage in tracking smaller objects.
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2004.07.23 02:14:00 -
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Heavy drones are not an appropriate weapon to employ vs frigs...they are like the torpedoes of the drone world, should have a serious disadvantage in tracking smaller objects.
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SomebodyPodMePlease
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Posted - 2004.07.23 02:41:00 -
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Edited by: SomebodyPodMePlease on 23/07/2004 02:58:41
Edited by: SomebodyPodMePlease on 23/07/2004 02:45:16
Why?
Who said they are big and slow?
Who said they are like torpedos of the drone world?
All your words and analogies, and you are trying to justify a nerf by them. Heavy drones are heavy drones...just more powerful than the regular drone. Nowhere does it say they are slow or dumb.
EDIT: Spelling
EDIT: And I just thought of another thing. You said earlier Bigger != Better. ...Okay. Prove it. I hate to break it to you, but in this game, bigger is better, and there is nothing wrong with that. |
SomebodyPodMePlease
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Posted - 2004.07.23 02:41:00 -
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Edited by: SomebodyPodMePlease on 23/07/2004 02:58:41
Edited by: SomebodyPodMePlease on 23/07/2004 02:45:16
Why?
Who said they are big and slow?
Who said they are like torpedos of the drone world?
All your words and analogies, and you are trying to justify a nerf by them. Heavy drones are heavy drones...just more powerful than the regular drone. Nowhere does it say they are slow or dumb.
EDIT: Spelling
EDIT: And I just thought of another thing. You said earlier Bigger != Better. ...Okay. Prove it. I hate to break it to you, but in this game, bigger is better, and there is nothing wrong with that. |
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