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Bren Tashmoor
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Posted - 2008.12.31 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: Bren Tashmoor on 31/12/2008 21:04:43
scammers, NOT merc corps
check this link
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.12.31 21:06:00 -
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lol all publicity is good publicity I get it.
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Tellenta
Gallente
Invicta.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.12.31 21:08:00 -
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reported for being to dumb to breath.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.31 21:09:00 -
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If you would like to contract Goonswarm against these people, please contact me. We will defend our honor ferociously. If we don't succeed, we have rituals where we commit seppuku with our ships, to restore our broken honor.
 Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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ouroboros trading
Gallente
Medics On Fire
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Posted - 2008.12.31 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
If you would like to contract Goonswarm against these people, please contact me. We will defend our honoUr ferociously. If we don't succeed, we have rituals where we commit seppuku with our ships, to restore our broken honor.
fyp
609310? That's Numberwang! |
Shirley Serious
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.31 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: ouroboros trading
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
If you would like to contract Goonswarm against these people, please contact me. We will defend our honoUr ferociously. If we don't succeed, we have rituals where we commit seppuku with our ships, to restore our broken honor.
fyp
Quoted before ouroboros notices.
Yes.
Yes, I am. |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2008.12.31 21:19:00 -
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Wrong forum. Cross posting. Multiple threads on the same topic.
I see a wonderful moderation in your future 
No sig for me, thankyouverymuch. |
ouroboros trading
Gallente
Medics On Fire
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Posted - 2008.12.31 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Shirley Serious
Originally by: ouroboros trading
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
If you would like to contract Goonswarm against these people, please contact me. We will defend our honoUr ferociously. If we don't succeed, we have rituals where we commit seppuku with our ships, to restore our broken honoUr.
fyp
Quoted before ouroboros notices.
NOOOoooOooO!!!!
361053? That's Numberwang! |
Chomin H'ak
Integrated Takeovers
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Posted - 2008.12.31 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
If we don't succeed, we have rituals where we commit seppuku with our ships, to restore our broken honor.
I'd like to see that done with a Raven. Do you run into it or just let it flatten you?
Originally by: Frenden Dax
My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2008.12.31 21:37:00 -
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SO much bitterness from the OP
I think ABP's clients are a better reference than some random alt butt hurt about handing over 3bil.
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.12.31 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Karma
SO much bitterness from the OP
I think ABP's clients are a better reference than some random alt butt hurt about handing over 3bil.
But merc clients aren't typically vocal about results.
Taking isk without results is a scam. Regardless of how bitter the OP might be, who would trust the involved merc corps/members now? Not a bad small time scam but it means the corps and members aren't mercs.
The amount of isk isn't the issue. The issue is that the one thing a merc corp has is trust with a contract. Without that it isn't a merc corp and devalues all merc corps.
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Slim P1kens
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Posted - 2008.12.31 21:54:00 -
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Now I know Bren is Kublai. Reeks to much of attention whoring at this point.
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Xavier Zedicus
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Posted - 2008.12.31 21:55:00 -
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this proves nothing. |
Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.12.31 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 31/12/2008 22:03:39
Originally by: Crackzilla
The amount of isk isn't the issue. The issue is that the one thing a merc corp has is trust with a contract. Without that it isn't a merc corp and devalues all merc corps.
Some merc corps charge by the kill, others charge flatter rates. There are good and bad points to both:
Upside of flat fee: easier to fund replacement ships if things go bad during the contract.
Downside: client may feel ripped off if the contract targets remain docked throughout the contract.
Upside of per kill: less loss for the contractor if the targets stay docked.
Downside: can easily result in minimal profit for the merc corp.
Mercenaries can't make anyone undock, after all. Art of War and ABP are both well-regarded last I heard, despite Kublai having pulled off a couple of pretty awesome scams. But IIRC those scams had nothing to do with combat contracting.
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2008.12.31 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Crackzilla
Originally by: Lady Karma
SO much bitterness from the OP
I think ABP's clients are a better reference than some random alt butt hurt about handing over 3bil.
But merc clients aren't typically vocal about results.
Taking isk without results is a scam. Regardless of how bitter the OP might be, who would trust the involved merc corps/members now? Not a bad small time scam but it means the corps and members aren't mercs.
The amount of isk isn't the issue. The issue is that the one thing a merc corp has is trust with a contract. Without that it isn't a merc corp and devalues all merc corps.
He was hiring Art of war to fight ABP. Dealing with kublai, a known scammer is bad for the wallet. How this translates to ABP being scammers, I don't understand. Didn't the guy even check to see who Dave was in the convo.
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.12.31 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Karma
He was hiring Art of war to fight ABP. Dealing with kublai, a known scammer is bad for the wallet. How this translates to ABP being scammers, I don't understand. Didn't the guy even check to see who Dave was in the convo.
I agree that ABP is getting unfairly lumped in here.
Scammer or not, this reflects poorly on AoW if they intend to merc in the future.
In a round about way cases like this also hurt all mercs. For example take pirate ransom. Ransom devolved from a tradition to something that few trust. This hurt the ability to pirate and make isk off of anything but the loot that happens to drop. So if the perception of trust for mercs drops then fewer clients will be willing to turn to mercs to handle conflict resolutions.
Personally I think the op is a few short of a six pack.
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2008.12.31 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Crackzilla
I agree that ABP is getting unfairly lumped in here.
Scammer or not, this reflects poorly on AoW if they intend to merc in the future.
I agree completely, I was only defending ABP. However I doubt AoW are concerned about the issue, as scamming is part of their portfolio.
It wont hurt genuine mercs, as everyone knows who the good ones are, back when I was merc myself (yes this is an alt) we didn't need to advertise. Word of mouth was good enough, and we were inundated with requests.
For example if someone asks me for mercs in game on my main I will politely tell them we are no longer in the business, then I will point them to ABP.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.12.31 22:56:00 -
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WOW, THEY MUST BE SCAMMERS, AN ALT SAID SO!!!!
Uh, seriously its a good thing your hiding behind an alt since you would look like a complete dumbass for not showing any proof of anything.
Proof = people might actually think you're onto something
no proof= people think your stuffed with something
is linking fail to another thread of fail go to result in anything other then fail? I doubt.
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CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2009.01.01 05:05:00 -
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Duplicated thread.
Locked.
Applebabe
Community Representative
CCP Games, EVE Online
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