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markol	Posted - 2004.07.22 15:01:00 - [1] I am in the process of upgrading my Megathron. Before I used to drive something like this: High: 4x 425, 3x dual 250, 1x Siege Med: 1x tracking comp, 3x cap recharges Low: 2x hardeners, 1x L armor rep, 1x dmg mod, rest relays Now I finally was able to scrounge some more 425s and discovered that I cannot fit them. I am working on training all the relevant wep upgrades and engineering skills. Currently, what I can fit is: High: 5x 425, 2x siege Med: 1x tacking, 3x cap rechargers Low: 2x hardeners, 1x L armor rep, 1x dmg mod, 1x power grid (the kind with lots of random boosts), 2x relays. I also have some cap recharges II, but they have not been delievered yet. Now the question is which of these two setups are better? I think that once I have wep upgrades 4, eng 5, I will be able to mount up 7x425. My impression is that the 2nd setup does not cause as much DOT as the first. I can still run my L armor rep indefinetly, but just barely. Tanking two BS seems prety hard too, as I can hardly kill one of them before they start scratching my structure. I would love any suggestions you may offer.
markol	Posted - 2004.07.22 15:01:00 - [2] I am in the process of upgrading my Megathron. Before I used to drive something like this: High: 4x 425, 3x dual 250, 1x Siege Med: 1x tracking comp, 3x cap recharges Low: 2x hardeners, 1x L armor rep, 1x dmg mod, rest relays Now I finally was able to scrounge some more 425s and discovered that I cannot fit them. I am working on training all the relevant wep upgrades and engineering skills. Currently, what I can fit is: High: 5x 425, 2x siege Med: 1x tacking, 3x cap rechargers Low: 2x hardeners, 1x L armor rep, 1x dmg mod, 1x power grid (the kind with lots of random boosts), 2x relays. I also have some cap recharges II, but they have not been delievered yet. Now the question is which of these two setups are better? I think that once I have wep upgrades 4, eng 5, I will be able to mount up 7x425. My impression is that the 2nd setup does not cause as much DOT as the first. I can still run my L armor rep indefinetly, but just barely. Tanking two BS seems prety hard too, as I can hardly kill one of them before they start scratching my structure. I would love any suggestions you may offer.
meowcat	Posted - 2004.07.22 15:24:00 - [3] BLASTERS, BLASTERS, BLASTERS. Get rid of the boring long range crap. Keep your low slots as they are, maybe swap in another relay Lose the tracking mod in the middle and add an AB/MWD so u can get in close ~~~~)\~~~~~\o/~~~~ yeah but no but yeah but no but
meowcat	Posted - 2004.07.22 15:24:00 - [4] BLASTERS, BLASTERS, BLASTERS. Get rid of the boring long range crap. Keep your low slots as they are, maybe swap in another relay Lose the tracking mod in the middle and add an AB/MWD so u can get in close ~~~~)\~~~~~\o/~~~~ yeah but no but yeah but no but
Lentia	Posted - 2004.07.22 15:54:00 - [5] CPU is a b*itch with Megas. I have weapons upgrade 5 and still have issues. Two solutions: 1)skills: weapon upgrade 5, electronic 5 are musts for Mega pilots 2)named mods: named 425's like scouts will help with cpu fitting. 3)launchers: if u still run into cpu or pg problems switch siege for cruise launchers. I used a blaster setup for PvP and used to use med blasters for old NPC farming, but now if you get jumped by 4 frigs, 2 cruisers and 3 BS it is too hard to tank all at the same time. Others can do it obviously so there is a way. If you do use a blaster setup you deinfately need one webber and mwd as lots of NPC like to stay at 30 or even 70 km out and they have their own mwd. Lentia Military Officer http://www.staf.online-guild.com/
Lentia	Posted - 2004.07.22 15:54:00 - [6] CPU is a b*itch with Megas. I have weapons upgrade 5 and still have issues. Two solutions: 1)skills: weapon upgrade 5, electronic 5 are musts for Mega pilots 2)named mods: named 425's like scouts will help with cpu fitting. 3)launchers: if u still run into cpu or pg problems switch siege for cruise launchers. I used a blaster setup for PvP and used to use med blasters for old NPC farming, but now if you get jumped by 4 frigs, 2 cruisers and 3 BS it is too hard to tank all at the same time. Others can do it obviously so there is a way. If you do use a blaster setup you deinfately need one webber and mwd as lots of NPC like to stay at 30 or even 70 km out and they have their own mwd. Lentia Military Officer http://www.staf.online-guild.com/
Drac Dragnog	Posted - 2004.07.22 16:01:00 - [7] Thank God someone is working the same setup as me! jus replace a launcher with a Lg SB, and you got mine. Disclaimer Random Babble is quite possible
Drac Dragnog	Posted - 2004.07.22 16:01:00 - [8] Thank God someone is working the same setup as me! jus replace a launcher with a Lg SB, and you got mine. Disclaimer Random Babble is quite possible
markol	Posted - 2004.07.22 17:08:00 - [9] I dont do SB. I can take out all the firgs that come near me with drone supply, it does not take very long. I can probably pwtfpwn NPC intys in 20-35 seconds. The problem unfortunately is that they like to get to me fast, before their BS friends even start shooting, so I have lose some drones once in a while. I dotn have the money to spend on balsters at the moment, so it's not exactly an option. What I really need is to fit more 425s on somehow. Untill then, which of these would be better? I think changing ammo from AM to plutonium would be a good idea too, as right now there is just no way to keep a BS in my sweet spot of 30-32k.
markol	Posted - 2004.07.22 17:08:00 - [10] I dont do SB. I can take out all the firgs that come near me with drone supply, it does not take very long. I can probably pwtfpwn NPC intys in 20-35 seconds. The problem unfortunately is that they like to get to me fast, before their BS friends even start shooting, so I have lose some drones once in a while. I dotn have the money to spend on balsters at the moment, so it's not exactly an option. What I really need is to fit more 425s on somehow. Untill then, which of these would be better? I think changing ammo from AM to plutonium would be a good idea too, as right now there is just no way to keep a BS in my sweet spot of 30-32k.
Siddy	Posted - 2004.07.22 17:15:00 - [11] Originally by: markol I dont do SB. I can take out all the firgs that come near me with drone supply, it does not take very long. I can probably pwtfpwn NPC intys in 20-35 seconds. The problem unfortunately is that they like to get to me fast, before their BS friends even start shooting, so I have lose some drones once in a while. I dotn have the money to spend on balsters at the moment, so it's not exactly an option. What I really need is to fit more 425s on somehow. Untill then, which of these would be better? I think changing ammo from AM to plutonium would be a good idea too, as right now there is just no way to keep a BS in my sweet spot of 30-32k. SB incase of missiles .. not frigs .... -------------------------------------------
Siddy	Posted - 2004.07.22 17:15:00 - [12] Originally by: markol I dont do SB. I can take out all the firgs that come near me with drone supply, it does not take very long. I can probably pwtfpwn NPC intys in 20-35 seconds. The problem unfortunately is that they like to get to me fast, before their BS friends even start shooting, so I have lose some drones once in a while. I dotn have the money to spend on balsters at the moment, so it's not exactly an option. What I really need is to fit more 425s on somehow. Untill then, which of these would be better? I think changing ammo from AM to plutonium would be a good idea too, as right now there is just no way to keep a BS in my sweet spot of 30-32k. SB incase of missiles .. not frigs .... -------------------------------------------
Ca0 Ca0	Posted - 2004.07.22 17:22:00 - [13] markol I will tell you the same thing I told a guy who was asking me about tempests no entropy. Don't split your damage type - it makes the damage mods very ineffective. Try this setup: High slots: 6x 425mm rail 2x rocket launchers (w/defenders) Mid slots: 1x large shield booster tech 2 1x em ward 1x thermal ward 1x kinetic ward Low slots: 1x co-processor II 3x magnetic stabilizer II 3x power diagnostic II Honestly if you are gonna go with the long-range megathron setup, the only way to do it is shield tanked. That's my personal opinion. You can also swap out some of the damage mods for more power diags, up to you. Blasterthron setup is worlds of differeence, however.
Ca0 Ca0	Posted - 2004.07.22 17:22:00 - [14] markol I will tell you the same thing I told a guy who was asking me about tempests no entropy. Don't split your damage type - it makes the damage mods very ineffective. Try this setup: High slots: 6x 425mm rail 2x rocket launchers (w/defenders) Mid slots: 1x large shield booster tech 2 1x em ward 1x thermal ward 1x kinetic ward Low slots: 1x co-processor II 3x magnetic stabilizer II 3x power diagnostic II Honestly if you are gonna go with the long-range megathron setup, the only way to do it is shield tanked. That's my personal opinion. You can also swap out some of the damage mods for more power diags, up to you. Blasterthron setup is worlds of differeence, however.
markol	Posted - 2004.07.22 17:41:00 - [15] I kill bloods for a living. They do not fire nearly enough misiles to keep any defense for them. True the Dark bloods will whack you with a cruise every 15 seconds or so, but that does not hurt all that much. It's their lasers that I am worried about. The consistent whacking hurts. Especially when it comes from different directions at the same time.
markol	Posted - 2004.07.22 17:41:00 - [16] I kill bloods for a living. They do not fire nearly enough misiles to keep any defense for them. True the Dark bloods will whack you with a cruise every 15 seconds or so, but that does not hurt all that much. It's their lasers that I am worried about. The consistent whacking hurts. Especially when it comes from different directions at the same time.
Lentia	Posted - 2004.07.22 19:36:00 - [17] Originally by: Ca0 Ca0 markol I will tell you the same thing I told a guy who was asking me about tempests no entropy. Don't split your damage type - it makes the damage mods very ineffective. Try this setup: High slots: 6x 425mm rail 2x rocket launchers (w/defenders) Mid slots: 1x large shield booster tech 2 1x em ward 1x thermal ward 1x kinetic ward Low slots: 1x co-processor II 3x magnetic stabilizer II 3x power diagnostic II Honestly if you are gonna go with the long-range megathron setup, the only way to do it is shield tanked. That's my personal opinion. You can also swap out some of the damage mods for more power diags, up to you. Blasterthron setup is worlds of differeence, however. Cao Cao, couple questions: 1) you sure u got enough cap there with only 3 diags to keep 4 shield things going? 2) No mid or low trackers? Even with 425s? 3) youve got 20M of tech 2 stuff there. Ive lost a Mega to lag/frozen mods so dont wanna kit out with facny tch 2 stuff. CCP will just say: Well we see that you logged but cannot see exactly what happend.... Lentia Military Officer http://www.staf.online-guild.com/
Lentia	Posted - 2004.07.22 19:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Ca0 Ca0 markol I will tell you the same thing I told a guy who was asking me about tempests no entropy. Don't split your damage type - it makes the damage mods very ineffective. Try this setup: High slots: 6x 425mm rail 2x rocket launchers (w/defenders) Mid slots: 1x large shield booster tech 2 1x em ward 1x thermal ward 1x kinetic ward Low slots: 1x co-processor II 3x magnetic stabilizer II 3x power diagnostic II Honestly if you are gonna go with the long-range megathron setup, the only way to do it is shield tanked. That's my personal opinion. You can also swap out some of the damage mods for more power diags, up to you. Blasterthron setup is worlds of differeence, however. Cao Cao, couple questions: 1) you sure u got enough cap there with only 3 diags to keep 4 shield things going? 2) No mid or low trackers? Even with 425s? 3) youve got 20M of tech 2 stuff there. Ive lost a Mega to lag/frozen mods so dont wanna kit out with facny tch 2 stuff. CCP will just say: Well we see that you logged but cannot see exactly what happend.... Lentia Military Officer http://www.staf.online-guild.com/
Teutobod	Posted - 2004.07.22 20:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Lentia Originally by: Ca0 Ca0 markol I will tell you the same thing I told a guy who was asking me about tempests no entropy. Don't split your damage type - it makes the damage mods very ineffective. Try this setup: High slots: 6x 425mm rail 2x rocket launchers (w/defenders) Mid slots: 1x large shield booster tech 2 1x em ward 1x thermal ward 1x kinetic ward Low slots: 1x co-processor II 3x magnetic stabilizer II 3x power diagnostic II Honestly if you are gonna go with the long-range megathron setup, the only way to do it is shield tanked. That's my personal opinion. You can also swap out some of the damage mods for more power diags, up to you. Blasterthron setup is worlds of differeence, however. Cao Cao, couple questions: 1) you sure u got enough cap there with only 3 diags to keep 4 shield things going? 2) No mid or low trackers? Even with 425s? 3) youve got 20M of tech 2 stuff there. Ive lost a Mega to lag/frozen mods so dont wanna kit out with facny tch 2 stuff. CCP will just say: Well we see that you logged but cannot see exactly what happend.... So you are willing to pay for a very expensive ship but not to kit it out? Maybe you should fly cruisers?
Teutobod	Posted - 2004.07.22 20:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Lentia Originally by: Ca0 Ca0 markol I will tell you the same thing I told a guy who was asking me about tempests no entropy. Don't split your damage type - it makes the damage mods very ineffective. Try this setup: High slots: 6x 425mm rail 2x rocket launchers (w/defenders) Mid slots: 1x large shield booster tech 2 1x em ward 1x thermal ward 1x kinetic ward Low slots: 1x co-processor II 3x magnetic stabilizer II 3x power diagnostic II Honestly if you are gonna go with the long-range megathron setup, the only way to do it is shield tanked. That's my personal opinion. You can also swap out some of the damage mods for more power diags, up to you. Blasterthron setup is worlds of differeence, however. Cao Cao, couple questions: 1) you sure u got enough cap there with only 3 diags to keep 4 shield things going? 2) No mid or low trackers? Even with 425s? 3) youve got 20M of tech 2 stuff there. Ive lost a Mega to lag/frozen mods so dont wanna kit out with facny tch 2 stuff. CCP will just say: Well we see that you logged but cannot see exactly what happend.... So you are willing to pay for a very expensive ship but not to kit it out? Maybe you should fly cruisers?
Jarjar	Posted - 2004.07.22 20:23:00 - [21] Try 350mm rails and armor tank. Trying to build a fleet setup I managed to run all guns (7) and a large + med II armor repairer on autorepeat for 10 minutes before I realized my cap ain't gonna go down. Not completely sure about the setup but it says some about the cap.
Jarjar	Posted - 2004.07.22 20:23:00 - [22] Try 350mm rails and armor tank. Trying to build a fleet setup I managed to run all guns (7) and a large + med II armor repairer on autorepeat for 10 minutes before I realized my cap ain't gonna go down. Not completely sure about the setup but it says some about the cap.
GenocidalSpliff	Posted - 2004.07.22 20:27:00 - [23] Originally by: Teutobod Originally by: Lentia Originally by: Ca0 Ca0 markol I will tell you the same thing I told a guy who was asking me about tempests no entropy. Don't split your damage type - it makes the damage mods very ineffective. Try this setup: High slots: 6x 425mm rail 2x rocket launchers (w/defenders) Mid slots: 1x large shield booster tech 2 1x em ward 1x thermal ward 1x kinetic ward Low slots: 1x co-processor II 3x magnetic stabilizer II 3x power diagnostic II Honestly if you are gonna go with the long-range megathron setup, the only way to do it is shield tanked. That's my personal opinion. You can also swap out some of the damage mods for more power diags, up to you. Blasterthron setup is worlds of differeence, however. Cao Cao, couple questions: 1) you sure u got enough cap there with only 3 diags to keep 4 shield things going? 2) No mid or low trackers? Even with 425s? 3) youve got 20M of tech 2 stuff there. Ive lost a Mega to lag/frozen mods so dont wanna kit out with facny tch 2 stuff. CCP will just say: Well we see that you logged but cannot see exactly what happend.... So you are willing to pay for a very expensive ship but not to kit it out? Maybe you should fly cruisers? I think what she meant was, yes she is willing to pay for an expensive ship, but, no she isnt prepared to stick 30mil+ worth of mods on just to ctd and lose it all to 2 frigs and 4 cruisers ;) Iv seen it happen and to be honest i wouldnt either. 2004.08.22 21:03:00 combat Your Anode Light Neutron Particle Cannon I perfectly strikes callonious [BSC], wrecking for 236.9 damage.
GenocidalSpliff	Posted - 2004.07.22 20:27:00 - [24] Originally by: Teutobod Originally by: Lentia Originally by: Ca0 Ca0 markol I will tell you the same thing I told a guy who was asking me about tempests no entropy. Don't split your damage type - it makes the damage mods very ineffective. Try this setup: High slots: 6x 425mm rail 2x rocket launchers (w/defenders) Mid slots: 1x large shield booster tech 2 1x em ward 1x thermal ward 1x kinetic ward Low slots: 1x co-processor II 3x magnetic stabilizer II 3x power diagnostic II Honestly if you are gonna go with the long-range megathron setup, the only way to do it is shield tanked. That's my personal opinion. You can also swap out some of the damage mods for more power diags, up to you. Blasterthron setup is worlds of differeence, however. Cao Cao, couple questions: 1) you sure u got enough cap there with only 3 diags to keep 4 shield things going? 2) No mid or low trackers? Even with 425s? 3) youve got 20M of tech 2 stuff there. Ive lost a Mega to lag/frozen mods so dont wanna kit out with facny tch 2 stuff. CCP will just say: Well we see that you logged but cannot see exactly what happend.... So you are willing to pay for a very expensive ship but not to kit it out? Maybe you should fly cruisers? I think what she meant was, yes she is willing to pay for an expensive ship, but, no she isnt prepared to stick 30mil+ worth of mods on just to ctd and lose it all to 2 frigs and 4 cruisers ;) Iv seen it happen and to be honest i wouldnt either. 2004.08.22 21:03:00 combat Your Anode Light Neutron Particle Cannon I perfectly strikes callonious [BSC], wrecking for 236.9 damage.
Lentia	Posted - 2004.07.22 21:27:00 - [25] Hehe, u got it. I sell almost all my named loot and now have 4 BS instead of 1 or 2 tch 2 kitted out ones. Plus I found that even with named guns though they are easier to fit and do more damage, if you had the off the shelf kind you shoulda been able to kill them anyway, maybe just slower. I do use a L accomdation and a tch2 med armor repair but the rest of it is standard. I havent had any CTD's since upgrading RAM to 1G maybe I will be more adventuresome.... Lentia Military Officer http://www.staf.online-guild.com/
Lentia	Posted - 2004.07.22 21:27:00 - [26] Hehe, u got it. I sell almost all my named loot and now have 4 BS instead of 1 or 2 tch 2 kitted out ones. Plus I found that even with named guns though they are easier to fit and do more damage, if you had the off the shelf kind you shoulda been able to kill them anyway, maybe just slower. I do use a L accomdation and a tch2 med armor repair but the rest of it is standard. I havent had any CTD's since upgrading RAM to 1G maybe I will be more adventuresome.... Lentia Military Officer http://www.staf.online-guild.com/
kalanto	Posted - 2004.07.22 23:07:00 - [27] Blasterthron...Blasterthron...Blasterthron...Blasterthron... All the way. My NPC killing setup is: High Slots: 7 Neutron Blasters (BS size) with AM Mid Slots: XL shield booster Shield AMP Webby 100 AB Low Slots: 1 named CPU Tech2 Damage Mod 1 x PDU 4 x Overdrive injectors Cruises at a little under 300 m/s and tops at 400+ with AB running. Takes out cruisers at an alarming rate, and dont even bother with frigs - just let them all target you, drop 8 heavies and let them mop all the frigs up. Your Neutron Blaster Cannon I perfectly strikes Guristas Terrorist, wrecking for 666.1 damage. Your Neutron Blaster Cannon I perfectly strikes Guristas Ascriber, wrecking for 692.8 damage.
kalanto	Posted - 2004.07.22 23:07:00 - [28] Blasterthron...Blasterthron...Blasterthron...Blasterthron... All the way. My NPC killing setup is: High Slots: 7 Neutron Blasters (BS size) with AM Mid Slots: XL shield booster Shield AMP Webby 100 AB Low Slots: 1 named CPU Tech2 Damage Mod 1 x PDU 4 x Overdrive injectors Cruises at a little under 300 m/s and tops at 400+ with AB running. Takes out cruisers at an alarming rate, and dont even bother with frigs - just let them all target you, drop 8 heavies and let them mop all the frigs up. Your Neutron Blaster Cannon I perfectly strikes Guristas Terrorist, wrecking for 666.1 damage. Your Neutron Blaster Cannon I perfectly strikes Guristas Ascriber, wrecking for 692.8 damage.
Lentia	Posted - 2004.07.22 23:23:00 - [29] Blasterthron guy, I would be interested in switching back to Blasters as my 425s hit pretty random and poorly now but... Are you really able to tank a couple of NPC BS with just a XL shield booster or just cruisers? Do you have enough cap to run 7 L Neutrons and Shields? Lentia Military Officer http://www.staf.online-guild.com/
Lentia	Posted - 2004.07.22 23:23:00 - [30] Blasterthron guy, I would be interested in switching back to Blasters as my 425s hit pretty random and poorly now but... Are you really able to tank a couple of NPC BS with just a XL shield booster or just cruisers? Do you have enough cap to run 7 L Neutrons and Shields? Lentia Military Officer http://www.staf.online-guild.com/

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