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Eternum Praetorian
Tupperware Party
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Posted - 2009.01.01 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 01/01/2009 23:08:41
1.) Absolution has a faster lock time, its faster in general, and it aligns quicker.
2.) Armageddon is one big hulking BS. But has more tank and more DPS.
But.... here is what has been going threw my mind as of late. The absolution's benefits over a BS seem possibly a bit misplaced to me. You wont be tackling anything in a Commandship you will in fact be tanking. A ship that's tanking needs to be able to dump DPS at range which a BS can do better. A BS can also tank more.
So what will I be expecting an Absolution to do better then a Armageddon? Armageddon is even way cheaper. Is there any reason to think a Commandship would be better at killing say a HAC then a BS? Or a recon? Will a Commandship be better off VS tacklers and AF's then BS would be?
I suppose you can say that medium weapons have better tracking then Heavy. But if you wanted to kill AF or a HAC do you really want to do it in a Commandship anyway? Would not a Dominix be preferable in that case if you had to be in something bigger then another HAC? In terms of Roaming gangs, a Commandship is still fairly slow and BC's are no slouches when it comes to tanking ships of a smaller class.
Seems like in 99% of cases, you Either want to be in a HAC, in a recon giving support, or in a BS tanking. Anything smaller then the three mentioned is generally for tackling, and a Commandship is best suited in a role of support VIA gang mods--and in that case we would be talking about the Damnation and Vulture.
Anything I am missing?
Debate....
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Captain Vampire
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Posted - 2009.01.01 23:14:00 -
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Role of Absolution:
1) Bait
2) Gang mods
3) Tracking(meh)
4) High resist PvE tank?
5) CSs are lewt.
Same thing can be said about the Mega vs Arstate
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Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2009.01.01 23:15:00 -
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command ships have cool things called command mods command ships also take less damage from large guns than battleships command ships also do more damage against smaller targets than battleships
battleships are big slow and take ages to lock and can't turn tail and run as quickly as a command ship
a single battleship in a small roaming gang will slow the gang down more than a command ship
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.01 23:33:00 -
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It's simple: the Absolution's role is running gang mods in small gangs. It allows you to have the benefits of a gang mod without wasting one of your few pilots on a Vulture/Damnation. And like a BC, its tracking is a huge advantage.
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Asestorian
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.01 23:36:00 -
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 Originally by: Merin Ryskin
It's simple: the Absolution's role is running gang mods in small gangs. It allows you to have the benefits of a gang mod without wasting one of your few pilots on a Vulture/Damnation. And like a BC, its tracking is a huge advantage.
This, and having something fun to fly if you're rich.
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Originally by: CCP Atropos
Destiny Balls
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JoeT
Amarr
Short Attention Span
Paisti Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.02 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Asestorian
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
It's simple: the Absolution's role is running gang mods in small gangs. It allows you to have the benefits of a gang mod without wasting one of your few pilots on a Vulture/Damnation. And like a BC, its tracking is a huge advantage.
This, and having something fun to fly if you're rich.
yep :)
Only lost 3 in pvp, but overall i rather go fly my geddon (and i dont want to haul a new one down any time soon)
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Nova Satar
Shadow Company
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:48:00 -
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An Armageddon would rip an Absolution apart.
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Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
White Core
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Posted - 2009.01.02 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Satar
An Armageddon would rip an Absolution apart.
i wouldnt be to sure about that
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Ferenc Puskas
Vengeance of the Fallen
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Posted - 2009.01.02 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: JoeT
Originally by: Asestorian
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
It's simple: the Absolution's role is running gang mods in small gangs. It allows you to have the benefits of a gang mod without wasting one of your few pilots on a Vulture/Damnation. And like a BC, its tracking is a huge advantage.
This, and having something fun to fly if you're rich.
yep :)
Only lost 3 in pvp, but overall i rather go fly my geddon (and i dont want to haul a new one down any time soon)
out of 4 lol.... sorry had to..
and no an armageddon wouldn't be able to rip an absy apart if the absy pilot know what he was doing.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2009.01.02 12:31:00 -
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**** I hate these forums. (ate my post)
Field CS are expensive toys. Very good, but terribly cost-ineffective.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.02 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Satar
An Armageddon would rip an Absolution apart.
Whaha.
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Gregoriuses
Most Wanted INC
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2009.01.02 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Gregoriuses on 02/01/2009 16:13:18
Originally by: Ferenc Puskas
Originally by: JoeT
Originally by: Asestorian
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
It's simple: the Absolution's role is running gang mods in small gangs. It allows you to have the benefits of a gang mod without wasting one of your few pilots on a Vulture/Damnation. And like a BC, its tracking is a huge advantage.
This, and having something fun to fly if you're rich.
out of 4 lol.... sorry had to..
and no an armageddon wouldn't be able to rip an absy apart if the absy pilot know what he was doing.
yep :)
Only lost 3 in pvp, but overall i rather go fly my geddon (and i dont want to haul a new one down any time soon)
Agree, cost to much. Isk/effectivnes is gedon better. For low isk u can have nice ship and u get insurance, since t2 are not for insure... And if u have t2 heavy drones...mate u can pwn a lot .) thats only my op.
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Amma Kudalkar
Amarr
The Freelanders
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Posted - 2009.01.08 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ferenc Puskas
Originally by: JoeT
Originally by: Asestorian
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
It's simple: the Absolution's role is running gang mods in small gangs. It allows you to have the benefits of a gang mod without wasting one of your few pilots on a Vulture/Damnation. And like a BC, its tracking is a huge advantage.
This, and having something fun to fly if you're rich.
yep :)
Only lost 3 in pvp, but overall i rather go fly my geddon (and i dont want to haul a new one down any time soon)
out of 4 lol.... sorry had to..
and no an armageddon wouldn't be able to rip an absy apart if the absy pilot know what he was doing.
An Absolution will always loose to a Geddon; both pilots being equally skilled. One on One, no Absolution can defeat my Geddon. 
You can have a friendly PvP with me in Taru.
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Smartislarti
HEART OF GOLD
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Posted - 2009.01.08 14:40:00 -
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Like Garria said I doubt if the Geddon is the I win button fighting an Absolution.
But the topic was not Abso vs Geddon in 1on1 but "Which of the ships performs better?".
If iskies and SP don't matter, I'd suggest sticking to te more versatile and faster ship. Here is my fitting, nice dmg output, dual repped, fully cap stable without having to fit an Expanded Cargobay T II for those booster charges 800 that tend to be sold out if you need them urgently. I like 5 light ew drones in my cargobay but you can ofc take 5 light combat drones for anti-drone or against fast ships.
undefined Feel free to discuss my fitting!
"Since we have to speak well of the dead,
let's knock them while they're alive."
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Shevar
Minmatar
A.W.M
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.01.08 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
So what can an Absolution do better then a Armageddon?
The absolution looks better then an Armageddon.
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Smartislarti
HEART OF GOLD
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Posted - 2009.01.08 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Smartislarti on 08/01/2009 15:00:13
Originally by: Gregoriuses
And if u have t2 heavy drones...mate u can pwn a lot .) thats only my op.
Maybe you've tied some heavy T2's on your Absolutions wings, otherwise I'd suggest taking a set of 5 Light T2 with you because the Absolution's Dronebay can't hardly take more than 5 lite drones 
Originally by: Shevar
The absolution looks better then an Armageddon.
Amarrian design is good locking by default! Same goes to amarrian pilots.
"Since we have to speak well of the dead,
let's knock them while they're alive."
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Asestorian
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.08 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Shevar
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
So what can an Absolution do better then a Armageddon?
The absolution looks better then an Armageddon.
I'm 100% sure that that is a matter of opinion.
I think they both look really nice.
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Originally by: CCP Atropos
Destiny Balls
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Archaic Emm
Amarr
Out of Order
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Posted - 2009.01.08 15:11:00 -
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well IMO
Geddon > Abso
while the abso has a plus to little more agility and slight tracking, the geddon just lays out the DPS> the geddon can also field a Large Armor rep which will come in handy. geddon has more solid tank IMO if you build it right because of armor hitpoint buffer alone.
as far as small tackle ships, you shouldnt be flying a BS or CS alone anyways, but the geddon has the option of drones, and if you've fitted a heavy NEUT you will lay waste or scare off most smaller ships that your guns cannot hit.
my final point...
geddons are insurable..
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