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Doctor Mahbuse
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Posted - 2009.01.03 00:16:00 -
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We've seen a steady growth in the arena of microtransactions over the last several years, with more and more Western companies noticing the lucrative practices Eastern MMO companies have; offering item malls to their players. After all, you really can't ignore the growth of companies like Nexon who are raking in more and more money each year with their free-to-play microtransaction model games.
Recently, we've seen Sony Online Entertainment testing the waters in EverQuest and EverQuest II by including a small number of items available for players in their pilot in-game item malls, with promises to add more in the future.
How long will it take untill we see item malls popping up in EVE Online aswell ?
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.03 00:19:00 -
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This will never happen in EVE.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.03 00:20:00 -
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We already have such a System in EVE, it is called GTC.
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Asestorian
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.03 00:20:00 -
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As far as I'm concerned the whole idea of microtransactions goes against what EVE is about. I really just can't see it happening in this game, it's just not suitable.
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Destiny Balls
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Tabare Vazquez
Uruguay Forever
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Posted - 2009.01.03 00:29:00 -
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Something not being suitable for a game has never stopped marketing from pushing questionable changes through.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2009.01.03 00:31:00 -
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I'd say it's lightyears off in EVE, CCCP doesn't even allow aliases to be bought.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.01.03 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Sastard
This will never happen in EVE.
This.
Because CCP often has problems just getting the subscription fees sorted out. Never mind spending those manhours on claiming 20 cents. 
In all seriousness. If CCP wanted to do something with microtransactions, I'd suggest making an online version of their CCG. The businessmodel of CCG matches nicely with it and it doesn't rub existing customers the wrong way.
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Schani Kratnorr
x13
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Posted - 2009.01.03 00:35:00 -
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If they try to pull a Sony Online Entertainment on us, there will be one less Gemeni veteran playing.
GTC trade have done enough to harm new players for years without direct selling of items. Though I did hear a rumor that the company that runs the China server, is selling T1 "starter packs" any truth to that?
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Bohoba
Caldari
HolyKnights
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Posted - 2009.01.03 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Asestorian
As far as I'm concerned the whole idea of microtransactions goes against what EVE is about. I really just can't see it happening in this game, it's just not suitable.
well I think it is already being done not by CCP but farmers and such and they are making millions a year as a few reports have stated
bottom line is CCP is in this for the money now, not just for the game that they seem to have lost sight of. so if there is money to be made you can bet you bottom CCP won't be far behind.
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AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.03 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
If they try to pull a Sony Online Entertainment on us, there will be one less Gemeni veteran playing.
GTC trade have done enough to harm new players for years without direct selling of items. Though I did hear a rumor that the company that runs the China server, is selling T1 "starter packs" any truth to that?
Yes, not sure about starter packs but quite a few of the ISK sellers also offer ships, mods, and implants for purchase.
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Franga
Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.03 03:31:00 -
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In-game item malls? Can someone explain this further to me?
Actually, I demand that someone explain this further to me.
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Kessiaan
Minmatar
Army of One
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Posted - 2009.01.03 03:52:00 -
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Eve already has GTC, an actual item mall would be counterproductive (as Eve's economy is almost entirely based on crafting, even just selling officer mods and implants would be game breaking) and redundant.
Illegal ISK selling will never go away entirely so long as the items offered are available outside of a legit item mall, or you can get the equivalents from a non-item-mall source. It doesn't matter how cheap it is - bots are free and slaves in southeast Asia are next to free.
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Big Gray
Minmatar
The Blood Eagle Tribe
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Posted - 2009.01.03 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
If they try to pull a Sony Online Entertainment on us
Yah lets hope they don't pull a SOE, how many games have they ruined now?
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Danae Ori
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Posted - 2009.01.03 17:29:00 -
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I can see it happening. CCP, for example, may offer non-craftable limited-edition ships or implants for $$$.
I'm not "opposed" to the concept of microtransactions. If engineered right, CCP will increase its revenue, meaning more improvements and support for Eve. Win-win.
Someone may be willing to shell out $5 for an in-game benefit, but not $34.95 as it currently is for a GTC.
The gamer who can't afford $34.95 for a GTC misses out, and CCP misses out on his $5. But with microtransactions, CCP can pocket that $5.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.01.03 17:35:00 -
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There are oh so many other ways that CCP could have made this game more mainstream, but in the spirit of this game's original design philosophy they've resisted implementing those things. We still say "go back to WoW" for a reason you know. I really don't see cash-for-items being added into the game by CCP unless the company itself gets sold, or every last manager and designer spontaneously quit and get replaced by nitwits.
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.01.03 17:38:00 -
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the day eve becomes a f2p item mall game is the day i quit.
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Danae Ori
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Posted - 2009.01.03 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum
There are oh so many other ways that CCP could have made this game more mainstream, but in the spirit of this game's original design philosophy they've resisted implementing those things. We still say "go back to WoW" for a reason you know. I really don't see cash-for-items being added into the game by CCP unless the company itself gets sold, or every last manager and designer spontaneously quit and get replaced by nitwits.
Having thought about it more, I'll agree with you. Eve serves a niche market. CCP will be better off developing a new MMORPG from scratch if it wanted to go "mainstream".
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.03 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 03/01/2009 17:42:27
Originally by: Danae Ori
I can see it happening. CCP, for example, may offer non-craftable limited-edition ships or implants for $$$.
I'm not "opposed" to the concept of microtransactions. If engineered right, CCP will increase its revenue, meaning more improvements and support for Eve. Win-win.
Someone may be willing to shell out $5 for an in-game benefit, but not $34.95 as it currently is for a GTC.
The gamer who can't afford $34.95 for a GTC misses out, and CCP misses out on his $5. But with microtransactions, CCP can pocket that $5.
In theory yes, but if the player base do not support it they will loose money, not make money. If you have to pay real money for ingame adavantage it unblanaces the game. I think CCP is smart enough not to introduce this after 5 years game time.
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.01.03 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Lindsay Logan on 03/01/2009 17:43:46
Originally by: Danae Ori
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
There are oh so many other ways that CCP could have made this game more mainstream, but in the spirit of this game's original design philosophy they've resisted implementing those things. We still say "go back to WoW" for a reason you know. I really don't see cash-for-items being added into the game by CCP unless the company itself gets sold, or every last manager and designer spontaneously quit and get replaced by nitwits.
Having thought about it more, I'll agree with you. Eve serves a niche market. CCP will be better off developing a new MMORPG from scratch if it wanted to go "mainstream".
Yes, I agree. EVE is most definatly for most players (as the numbers show), but for us that do play, there is no others that can compare.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.01.03 17:44:00 -
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Microtransactions are a cancerous disease destroying games they are applied to for the sake of bigger profits over the short time the game lasts. They are not devised by self-respecting game designers, like we have with CCP but by self serving marketing profiteers that give a damn about the product or the customers as long as there is a quick buck to be made.
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Cyprus Black
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.03 19:12:00 -
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I don't see how it could apply to EvE. Maybe microtransactions involving skill training. But certainly not for ingame ships and modules. Can you imagine the wave of tears pouring in if someone paid RL money for a ship they lost?
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.03 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Esmenet on 03/01/2009 19:29:22
I certainly hope not.
Microtransaction games are an abomination made to trick stupid teenagers.
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Yelan Zhou
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.03 19:32:00 -
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This would be a reason to quit EvE.I hate that kind of attitude.
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Cpt Lollercakes
Warriors of COAD
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Posted - 2009.01.03 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cyprus Black
I don't see how it could apply to EvE. Maybe microtransactions involving skill training. But certainly not for ingame ships and modules. Can you imagine the wave of tears pouring in if someone paid RL money for a ship they lost?
LULZ!
Is this your 1st visit to the forum? Indeed you will see much of this, and its the best thing in eve. ETC's provide the real life money to isk intermediary and ebay'd accounts provide the nubbery. Honestly the joy of watching someone chuck $2000 worth of dread in the blender cos they know no better (or cos they think buying a cap pilot & dread is the same as buying a lvl 70 something in WoW) is pretty much priceless.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Rage of Inferno
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.01.03 20:13:00 -
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Item Mall for eve
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wickedpheonix
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Posted - 2009.01.03 20:46:00 -
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An in-game mall? No. GTC's work as a good way to regulate the total amount of ISK in the game right now (working similar in effect for ISK as how the Treasury prints more money/retires money) but selling in-game items would wreck the economy.
That said, I would GLADLY pay for doubled skill times - another $10/month would be wonderful and fair IMO, and wouldn't noticeably unbalance the game I don't think.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.01.03 21:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jacob Mei on 03/01/2009 21:05:02
In my opinion the Microtransaction approach to MMOs is self destructive as it gives creedance to government officals claiming that these transactions should have a tax as well as other problems. It also by default makes those who have more real currency naturally advantaged than those who only have enough for a 15 currency flat fee. I also believe that microtransaction MMO's create an enviroment where pvp is just no fun. If you go the route of not something in pvp, than pvp just becomes stagnet and the company suffers. If you allow pvp to mean something you then create a situation that can be called a form of gambling.
In short, it is my belief that these sorts of subscription approaches will ultimately fail.... at least I hope they do.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2009.01.03 21:45:00 -
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When ambulation hits, I want to be able to buy a pink tutu for my alt using microtransactions!
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Polinus
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.03 21:46:00 -
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People that put being in a niche market at a disadvantage have seirous lack of understanding of real businnes.
Mainstream markets have larger base of operation but are almost alwyas filled with dozens times more competition, have a much more violent and sudden cycle of recycling and downfall.
Niche markets are much more predictable and specially on game development, they are much more reliable.
You make a mainstream MMO today. You may get mayve 10 Million players. But 95% of time you will have to struggle to not die in the first year because every flaw in your game will be enough to make your costumers change into other mainstream games.
Now lets suppose we make a new niche MMO, a EVE mindset like MMO based on the Mechwarrior/battletech universe. You cannot expect to get more than like 200k players from that market. But you may be freaking sure no more than 10% of your player base will be under risk to slip to another game at any moment due to some minor glitches.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.04 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
We already have such a System in EVE, it is called GTC.
Yes but it's not implemented well.
With the GTC system the profiteers are people who don't contribute anything to the game.
CCP could also sell the ISK directly for cash. Those who are now selling GTCs would pay the ISK to CCP.
The extra profit compared to now would then come from the people who are now paying with GTCs bought with isk, but whould pay with RL cash if GTCs aren't an option anymore.
In the end this would result in more overal cash for CCP and little less active accounts (people who now play with GTCs and are not willing to continue to play without GTCs would be missing, but they aren't contributing anything anyways, except lag and market irritations due their excessive farming, which is necessary to pay the GTCs).
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