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Fourty Niner	Posted - 2009.01.03 13:27:00 - [1] My Main is in a contracted Empire WAR. (Small fry war, neither side in Triple figures). So, anyway, last night we set out in a small hunting group, to harrass the target, and on the way, the forward scouts spot a WT and try to close him down whilst the main group tries to avoid that system. The WT undocks haveing left corp, calmly scouts our scouts, flys back onlong thier route, scouts our main force, follows us for about 20 mins, THEN docks and REJOINS the WT corp. Left corp 22:59 ReJoin corp 23:31 Im not saying that we would have gotten any brillaint kills, mostly the contract is to close them down and provide a specific (Docked up NEARLY ALL the time corpse), but this does seem a misuse of the leave-re join tactic. (Im not saying either that ppl shouldnt be allowed to leave and rejoin corps at all. I simply want to know how legal a tackic this is;- My opinion is that its a exploit)
Nexus Kinnon Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.01.03 13:55:00 - [2] yeah it's legal
Allahs Warrior Gallente Justified Hedonism And Dualism	Posted - 2009.01.03 14:22:00 - [3] Why is this legal when a corp leaving an alliance to avoid wardec isn't?
Rexthor Hammerfists Rage of Inferno Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.01.03 15:10:00 - [4] Its legal because empire wars have ridicolous loopholes since years, and nothing is being done about it. It really comes down to how committed one side is to winning an empire war really, as in how many neutral logistics you gonna bring as an example. Personnaly i prefer staying in 0.0 where the rules are simple and have noobcorp freighter do the logistics in empire ;) - Rage is Recruiting
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.03 15:23:00 - [5] Originally by: Allahs Warrior Why is this legal when a corp leaving an alliance to avoid wardec isn't? Because a single individual can leave whenever he wants. ----------------------------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Jonas Barcal Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.03 17:37:00 - [6] Originally by: Allahs Warrior Why is this legal when a corp leaving an alliance to avoid wardec isn't? Leaving an alliance to avoid a wardec isn't the illegal/exploit part as people/corps do come and go even in wartime. The exploit was people using shell alliances to dump wardecs Corp A gets wardec'd Corp A joins Alliance and the wardec transfers to the alliance. Corp A now leave alliance wardec free
Soporo Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.03 18:29:00 - [7] Waht they said, it's legal but it buggers up your employment history. I still don't see why they don't just use alts for that actually.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2009.01.03 22:41:00 - [8] Considering they could spy on your camps with a neutral alt in a rookie ship, there's nothing you can do about it. Always assume your operations are compromised and the enemy knows all your fleet's details. The key is then keeping your own intel fresh and moving around rather than just camping one place. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Jhango Fett	Posted - 2009.01.04 02:16:00 - [9] If u suspect them of being a spy by doing that, give them minor roles (if there is such a thing :P) so that they can't leave the corps easily.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2009.01.04 02:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Jhango Fett If u suspect them of being a spy by doing that, give them minor roles (if there is such a thing :P) so that they can't leave the corps easily. He's talking about someone in the enemy corp leaving their corp to spy on fleet positions and rejoining. You can't give roles to enemy pilots :p. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Tanith Darkstar	Posted - 2009.01.04 03:30:00 - [11] Actually, if you check. Leaving and rejoining like that is considered petionable The GM will have to rule if the leaving and joining was in bad faith. It's one thing to leave a corp for a bit during the war, rejoin for a little pew pew... and then decide it wasn't for. Another to leave and rejoin repeatedly
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council.	Posted - 2009.01.05 01:21:00 - [12] just gona have to play dirty w/them use tons of neutral logistics, and do the exact same thing to them its the only way for the playing field to be level again tbh Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Fourty Niner	Posted - 2009.01.05 15:30:00 - [13] Thanks for the replies ppl. We are probably not going to petition them, because even in our corps mind their was an element of "Good faith" in the targets leaving the corp (We knew they were all going to merge with another corp the next day), and seeing us enmass may have simply made an "honerable" podie rejoin for the pew. It just we've seen it happen B4, and wanted to clarify the position re petitionable. Its my experiance that if you point out to most ppl that it is so, they "play the game" and stop doing it.
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core	Posted - 2009.01.05 15:32:00 - [14] Edited by: Garia666 on 05/01/2009 15:32:31 that story of yours isnt possible. it takes atleast 24 hours to rejoin www.garia.net
Iridescent Moon Caldari Iridescent Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.06 01:52:00 - [15] Very old story but somewhat on topic. Since I am waiting out 20 minutes at work where we go. Once upon a time a corp was getting trashed in a War dec. they were stalked and harassed, unable to combat their enemy. While being camped at a station yet again they impelemented their dasterdly plan. One of the pilots had created a corp with exactly the same name... except they had changed a single letter. One of the people that had lost many ships jumped out of the war deced corp and into this new corp. All the while keeping the baiting up in local. Out comes the solo battle cruiser. His enemy get excited. FC calls the target, everyone locks. PEW PEW PEW. WWWWeeeeoooooWWWWWooeeeeooooo. CONCORD a comes a knocking and BOOM BOM BOOOM goes the mighty fleet. CONCORD says, "Bad man's, your not at war with that pod pilot. You lose!!" The little battle cruiser scooped up all the loot and skipped singing "Tra La LA" all the way back to the station. Lesson? Check your targets!
Boomey Pootra	Posted - 2009.01.06 04:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Iridescent Moon Very old story but somewhat on topic. Since I am waiting out 20 minutes at work where we go. Once upon a time a corp was getting trashed in a War dec. they were stalked and harassed, unable to combat their enemy. While being camped at a station yet again they impelemented their dasterdly plan. One of the pilots had created a corp with exactly the same name... except they had changed a single letter. One of the people that had lost many ships jumped out of the war deced corp and into this new corp. All the while keeping the baiting up in local. Out comes the solo battle cruiser. His enemy get excited. FC calls the target, everyone locks. PEW PEW PEW. WWWWeeeeoooooWWWWWooeeeeooooo. CONCORD a comes a knocking and BOOM BOM BOOOM goes the mighty fleet. CONCORD says, "Bad man's, your not at war with that pod pilot. You lose!!" The little battle cruiser scooped up all the loot and skipped singing "Tra La LA" all the way back to the station. Lesson? Check your targets! Don't pilots from a wardecced corp get marked with a red star in their name and ship in overview? Or was this not always the case? I mean, I notice the red square long before I notice the pilot's name, much less his corp.
Amrumm Rhetorical Devices	Posted - 2009.01.06 12:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Boomey Pootra Don't pilots from a wardecced corp get marked with a red star in their name and ship in overview? Or was this not always the case? I mean, I notice the red square long before I notice the pilot's name, much less his corp. Exactly, won't work very well with a properly set up user interface. Long time ago in a boring empire & station hugging war I had a noob alt hanging outside to spy. At one point both sides finally commmited to battle. Started targetting the enemy with my alt. One of them messed up in the hectis of battle and fired on the alt. Hello Concord. Of course, if you have alt toons with better skills, a direct contribution to the fight would be of more value.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.01.06 14:50:00 - [18] It's legal because it happens so incredibly often, and is done by so many people, that it's effectively impossible to enforce. I mean if the GMs cracked down on corp hopping, half of Eve would be guilty at some point - I know I've done my share, though mine was done in the name of thievery and deceit.
Ffuantu Grym Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.01.07 01:54:00 - [19] The fix to the OP's problem should actually be a pretty simple one, and it's been suggested many times before. All CCP needs to do is have any players or corps that leave a corp or alliance during a war remain war targets for the rest of that week (that is, until the war needs to be renewed).

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