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Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.04 00:58:00 - [31] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: Concorduck Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: Spurty Bounty is for "DEATH" of clone, not for "self destruction" of ship. Sure, the bounty can be gotten by the players alt. Just jump into a CLONE with no implants, get alt to pod you, WIN! 24 hours later, jump back and spend your isk (minus medical insurance costs). cool, in my idea the insurance got removed when you had the bounty... Go self destruct, I'm sure someone would be happy about it \o/ in your "idea", it would be smarter to bind the bounty on that particular body. yeah, you got it. bounties on implants. Sure, 100% of bountied guys have implants. Same problem : shoot the egg with an alt --> profit Pascal's Gambit. Event A: Player has no Implants Event B: Player has Implants Event C: Player has cheap Implants Current System: A -> -n B -> -n C -> -n (jumpclone, take bounty) Proposed Change: A -> -n B -> +n C -> 0 (can't jumpclone to take bounty) In the proposed change, the player can't just jumpclone and get the bounty by alt-podding if he has implants on the bountied clone. and people usually have a +3/+4 set clone. that's reasonable enough for a change, since there is at least a positive result. ----------------------------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.01.04 01:08:00 - [32] Originally by: Concorduck Pascal's Gambit. Event A: Player has no Implants Event B: Player has Implants Event C: Player has cheap Implants Current System: A -> -n B -> -n C -> -n (jumpclone, take bounty) Proposed Change: A -> -n B -> +n C -> 0 (can't jumpclone to take bounty) In the proposed change, the player can't just jumpclone and get the bounty by alt-podding if he has implants on the bountied clone. and people usually have a +3/+4 set clone. that's reasonable enough for a change, since there is at least a positive result. You're unclear and not simple. So you propose : - a bountied guy can't jumpclone. Great. I'm a pirate. I want lots of bounties. 1- I jumpclone in a no implant clone. Might be easy. 2- **** of 40 guys until I got good bounty. 3- Then I autodestruct or use a 2nd account. Still broken. Fetchez la vache !
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.04 01:11:00 - [33] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: Concorduck Pascal's Gambit. Event A: Player has no Implants Event B: Player has Implants Event C: Player has cheap Implants Current System: A -> -n B -> -n C -> -n (jumpclone, take bounty) Proposed Change: A -> -n B -> +n C -> 0 (can't jumpclone to take bounty) In the proposed change, the player can't just jumpclone and get the bounty by alt-podding if he has implants on the bountied clone. and people usually have a +3/+4 set clone. that's reasonable enough for a change, since there is at least a positive result. You're unclear and not simple. So you propose : - a bountied guy can't jumpclone. A bountied guy can jumpclone, just won't be able to take bounty from corpse ALPHA killing your BETA or GAMMA corpse, as you are able to do right now. ----------------------------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.01.04 01:14:00 - [34] Originally by: Armoured C Originally by: Chribba 1001101111010101100011 oh gawd chribba been talking to the rouge drones again 1001010110010100101001110100101 Rouge drones eh? Are they pink? Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.01.04 01:15:00 - [35] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 04/01/2009 01:15:37 Originally by: Concorduck Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: Concorduck Pascal's Gambit. Event A: Player has no Implants Event B: Player has Implants Event C: Player has cheap Implants Current System: A -> -n B -> -n C -> -n (jumpclone, take bounty) Proposed Change: A -> -n B -> +n C -> 0 (can't jumpclone to take bounty) In the proposed change, the player can't just jumpclone and get the bounty by alt-podding if he has implants on the bountied clone. and people usually have a +3/+4 set clone. that's reasonable enough for a change, since there is at least a positive result. You're unclear and not simple. So you propose : - a bountied guy can't jumpclone. A bountied guy can jumpclone, just won't be able to take bounty from corpse ALPHA killing your BETA or GAMMA corpse, as you are able to do right now. And as I said, "criminals" would jumpclone in a implant virgin clone before ***ing around. So ? Virgin implant got 100m bounty. 2nd account. BOOM*. Profit. It's still broken. Fetchez la vache !
Grarr Dexx Amarr Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.04 01:16:00 - [36] Originally by: Armoured C make for a good greifing tactic impliment this please how about taking this off the insurance for how much you put in Tackle titan, put 35b bounty on it, get it killed by your own people and enemies are out 35b. Too easily abused. ----- Nexus stamps of approvalÖ count: 1
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.01.04 01:19:00 - [37] Originally by: Grarr Dexx Originally by: Armoured C make for a good greifing tactic impliment this please how about taking this off the insurance for how much you put in Tackle titan, put 35b bounty on it, get it killed by your own people and enemies are out 35b. Too easily abused. Titans can't dock. Titans can't go in Empire. Read the entire thread, there was a lot of modifications to the OP. Fetchez la vache !
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.04 01:20:00 - [38] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 04/01/2009 01:15:37 Originally by: Concorduck Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: Concorduck Pascal's Gambit. Event A: Player has no Implants Event B: Player has Implants Event C: Player has cheap Implants Current System: A -> -n B -> -n C -> -n (jumpclone, take bounty) Proposed Change: A -> -n B -> +n C -> 0 (can't jumpclone to take bounty) In the proposed change, the player can't just jumpclone and get the bounty by alt-podding if he has implants on the bountied clone. and people usually have a +3/+4 set clone. that's reasonable enough for a change, since there is at least a positive result. You're unclear and not simple. So you propose : - a bountied guy can't jumpclone. A bountied guy can jumpclone, just won't be able to take bounty from corpse ALPHA killing your BETA or GAMMA corpse, as you are able to do right now. And as I said, "criminals" would jumpclone in a implant virgin clone before **ing around. So ? he won't be able to get his snake set to work. plenty of people have a low-grade set, and cannot use em while ing around is a good nerf ----------------------------------------- Originally by:** Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.01.04 01:24:00 - [39] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 04/01/2009 01:24:47 Originally by: Concorduck Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn And as I said, "criminals" would jumpclone in a implant virgin clone before **ing around. So ? he won't be able to get his snake set to work. plenty of people have a low-grade set, and cannot use em while **ing around is a good nerf Bounties are not here to nerf or prevent pirates, they are suposed to punish guys. This will work the same as before. Over-abused. Pirate won't use +4/snakesets... Well, great punishement. Fetchez la vache !
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.04 01:26:00 - [40] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 04/01/2009 01:24:47 Originally by: Concorduck Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn And as I said, "criminals" would jumpclone in a implant virgin clone before **ing around. So ? he won't be able to get his snake set to work. plenty of people have a low-grade set, and cannot use em while ing around is a good nerf Bounties are not here to nerf or prevent pirates, they are suposed to punish guys. This will work the same as before. Over-abused. Pirate won't use +4/snakesets... Well, great punishement. that's actually a pretty much annoying thing, even if most -10 don't even care about their bounties anymore. ----------------------------------------- Originally by:** Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.01.04 01:31:00 - [41] Originally by: Concorduck that's actually a pretty much annoying thing, even if most -10 don't even care about their bounties anymore. Let's call "the carebear" the guy that put the bounty, "the criminal" the guy with the bounty on his head and the "bountyhunter" the guy that chase bounties. There is no bountyhunter in Eve because the criminal = the bountyhunter in the current system or in yours. In mine, if the criminal want to be the bountyhunter, it will cost him a ship. So The carebear <> The criminal <> The bountyhunter. I prefer this way than any solution implementing The criminal = the bountyhunter again. Fetchez la vache !
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.04 01:41:00 - [42] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: Concorduck that's actually a pretty much annoying thing, even if most -10 don't even care about their bounties anymore. Let's call "the carebear" the guy that put the bounty, "the criminal" the guy with the bounty on his head and the "bountyhunter" the guy that chase bounties. There is no bountyhunter in Eve because the criminal = the bountyhunter in the current system or in yours. In mine, if the criminal want to be the bountyhunter, it will cost him a ship. So The carebear <> The criminal <> The bountyhunter. I prefer this way than any solution implementing The criminal = the bountyhunter again. there is no Bounty hunter in the current gameplay, as anyone can claim bounties, anywhere, anytime. in your system, the "carebear" can simply void the insurance of a SHIP TYPE flown by the "pirate". that's a gamebreaking "feature" to me, where a carebear can put bounties for each type of ships the pirate in flying. oh and, ofc, there is corporation insurance. ----------------------------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Ghost Goat	Posted - 2009.01.04 01:44:00 - [43] Originally by: Chribba 1001101111010101100011 01010111 01101000 01100001 01110100 00100000 00111111
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.01.04 02:00:00 - [44] Originally by: Concorduck Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: Concorduck that's actually a pretty much annoying thing, even if most -10 don't even care about their bounties anymore. Let's call "the carebear" the guy that put the bounty, "the criminal" the guy with the bounty on his head and the "bountyhunter" the guy that chase bounties. There is no bountyhunter in Eve because the criminal = the bountyhunter in the current system or in yours. In mine, if the criminal want to be the bountyhunter, it will cost him a ship. So The carebear <> The criminal <> The bountyhunter. I prefer this way than any solution implementing The criminal = the bountyhunter again. there is no Bounty hunter in the current gameplay, as anyone can claim bounties, anywhere, anytime. in your system, the "carebear" can simply void the insurance of a SHIP TYPE flown by the "pirate". that's a gamebreaking "feature" to me, where a carebear can put bounties for each type of ships the pirate in flying. oh and, ofc, there is corporation insurance. I was thinking about only the shiptype the pirate was flying when the carebear had the killrights. I don't know how the corporation insurance work. It still a financial negative effect to the criminals or his affiliates. I am not saying my solution is perfect and there is no other. I like it but any other "bounty = negative financial effect to the criminal" would work. This way, the carebear, by putting bounties < at the financial loss would be sure an unrelated third party would pod the criminal. It's just maths. Fetchez la vache !
Grarr Dexx Amarr Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.04 03:46:00 - [45] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: Grarr Dexx Originally by: Armoured C make for a good greifing tactic impliment this please how about taking this off the insurance for how much you put in Tackle titan, put 35b bounty on it, get it killed by your own people and enemies are out 35b. Too easily abused. Titans can't dock. Titans can't go in Empire. Read the entire thread, there was a lot of modifications to the OP. Titan pilots still get a base insurance. ----- Nexus stamps of approvalÖ count: 1
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.01.04 21:36:00 - [46] Originally by: Grarr Dexx Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: Grarr Dexx Originally by: Armoured C make for a good greifing tactic impliment this please how about taking this off the insurance for how much you put in Tackle titan, put 35b bounty on it, get it killed by your own people and enemies are out 35b. Too easily abused. Titans can't dock. Titans can't go in Empire. Read the entire thread, there was a lot of modifications to the OP. Titan pilots still get a base insurance. What part of "Empire killright" you don't understand in the thread ? Fetchez la vache !

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