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Marc Isabel Noir.	Posted - 2009.01.04 13:31:00 - [1] Hi, Although I spend a lot of time on pewpew being a Noir. mercenary, I do enjoy a bit of trade on an alt. It's handy too to get myself some isk to waste :) Now my point is I have explored two forms of trade, and they both work for me. However, repeating the same trick gets tedious. They are these: Half a year ago, I ran an industrial between an empire hub and a relatively safe 0.0 hub (CVA pet station), aiming for high profit margins both ways. Got ganked now and then, but the high margins and low operating costs (T1 haulers with T2 cargo expanders) made it profitable. Earned myself a total 1B in a few months time, starting as noob with nothing at all. More recently, I have run between major Empire trade hubs. I choose two hubs, export data on high-turnover modules and small t2 ships to Eve-Central, compare price levels, then run goods both ways. Sell at a significant discount below market price to move the goods fast and avoid 1-isk games. This would usually turn 200M into 300M in a single day, before prices would level out between both hubs. Now both of these work fine, earn me enough cash to do fun stuff. However, I'm looking for a new challenge, to explore another market. I'm looking for an idea. Could you give me pointers to any trade opportunities, without immediately giving away your trade secrets? I've got about 350M working capital right now, but I would be willing to "grind trade" that into 1B if needed to enter another market. Also, since my primary task is pewpew, I'm not looking for 24/7 1-isk games. Any ideas would be appreciated. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.01.04 13:54:00 - [2] Method 3 : "Marketmaker", station-trader with plenty of 0.01 ISK wars, have (almost) always the highest buy and lowest sell orders for some choice high-ISK-volume items in a station you have very small taxes at (high effort, low risk, decent profit) Method 4 : "Patch Day" trade, buy low, wait until after patch, sell high (low in-game effort, high risk with loads of guesswork, wildly fluctuating profit depending on patch) _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools	Posted - 2009.01.04 13:56:00 - [3] Take the same amount of time you spent hauling, and use it to play those "1 ISK games" you denigrate. Place buy orders up for modules that you've sold before in a hub where you've sold them--after all, you know there's a market there, right? Log on twice a day to update those buy orders, and as things come in, sell them. If it helps you, think of it as helping out your corpmates--after all, if they weren't selling to you, they'd be getting less for their goods, and there's a good chance the ISK would end up in the enemy's pocket. Do this right, and 350M will be what you use to clean up after your exotic dancers. MP -- Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral ~~compression~~expansion! WTF?
Marc Isabel Noir.	Posted - 2009.01.04 14:06:00 - [4] Reading both your reactions, I may want to reconsider my dislike for the 1-isk game. Thanks for the ideas. Another thing you point out is patience, something that's needed with the patch day, contract items and buy order strategies. Hmm. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.01.04 14:10:00 - [5] A trader makes money from other people's lack of patience. A hauler makes money from other people's laziness. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Lazy Whale Gallente Lazy Whale Holdings	Posted - 2009.01.04 14:49:00 - [6] Originally by: Akita T A trader makes money from other people's lack of patience. A hauler makes money from other people's laziness. So true
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.01.04 16:25:00 - [7] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 04/01/2009 16:31:52 Originally by: Akita T A trader makes money from other people's lack of patience. A hauler makes money from other people's laziness. Perhaps you should hit Jita in one weekend and engage in some refreshing station trading. The more orders the better. I bet you'll love it so much that no one will be able to drag you out for months... Black Sun Empire
Lord Zarcam Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2009.01.04 18:45:00 - [8] Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 04/01/2009 16:31:52 Originally by: Akita T A trader makes money from other people's lack of patience. A hauler makes money from other people's laziness. Perhaps you should hit Jita in one weekend and engage in some refreshing station trading. The more orders the better. I bet you'll love it so much that no one will be able to drag you out for months... Or a little station trading PVP'ing? Made a quick 80 million in one hour one day by finding an item with a highly inflated in Jita that I knew I could buy elsewhere for less then half the price. Played the .01 isk game with one other player, but my timing was better and sold everything I brought with me in an hour. Boring? Of heck yes! But it was profitable!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.01.04 19:53:00 - [9] Originally by: YouGotRipped Perhaps you should hit Jita in one weekend and engage in some refreshing station trading. Who, me ? I trade in Jita from 6j away yeah, yeah, you were talking about him, I'm just fooling around... _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:17:00 - [10] Originally by: YouGotRipped Perhaps you should hit Jita in one weekend and engage in some refreshing station trading. The more orders the better. I bet you'll love it so much that no one will be able to drag you out for months... This, this, a million times this. When I used to live in 0.0 I'd jumpclone to empire on weekends just to play trade games in Jita. It's a game I call chiken-poker, with ISK as a scorecard. Lots of fun, if you haven't tried it I highly suggest you do.
Midas Man Caldari Dzark Asylum	Posted - 2009.01.05 11:55:00 - [11] Originally by: YouGotRipped I bet you'll love it so much that no one will be able to drag you out for months... Yes visit the Blackhole of Eve, it keeps sucking people in. And the more it pulls the more noobs to exploit and the better the rewards.
Tredelim Gallente Noble Endeavor New Eden Research	Posted - 2009.01.06 01:34:00 - [12] Marc, we have things to discuss. Enough said.
JSO Milic JSO Intel	Posted - 2009.01.06 02:18:00 - [13] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 04/01/2009 13:56:48 You already covered two methods (well, they're more sub-methods, but let's say they're two separate ones)... Method 3 : "Marketmaker", station-trader with plenty of 0.01 ISK wars, have (almost) always the highest buy and lowest sell orders for some choice high-ISK-volume items in a station you have very small taxes at (high effort, low risk, decent profit) Method 4 : "Patch Day" trade, buy low, wait until after patch, sell high (low in-game effort, high risk with loads of guesswork, wildly fluctuating profit depending on patch) Method 5 : "Contract trader" - specialize in contracts-only items, prices fluctuate heavily on a daily basis, there's plenty of money to be made if you're patient and thorough However, I have a feeling none of the above would appeal to you. Basically, no, there's not much more you could do and you would want to do that you don't already do. Add FORECASTING to your list. Look at the price history (6+ months) of a specific item. You will be surprised how the price fluctuates on many things in Eve, even high volume items. For instance, something maybe trending low at 100k price a couple months ago but is now selling for 200k. Look for those "buy cheap now - sell higher later" opportunities. And no I am not going to tell you what items. Good luck!
Saira Jin	Posted - 2009.01.06 06:39:00 - [14] Here's my fave - buy stuff cheap, real cheap with 3-jump buy orders at the not-so-busy hub systems. Reprocess and sell the minerals, or build stuff with the minerals to sell in Jita to buy orders. The real benefit of choosing not-so-busy systems is that you dont have to update prices too often - once in 2-3 days is good enough, and you will buy stuff at 2000isk and the minerals from reprocessing will be worth 20,000isk, say. So that is 90% profit - but at a cost - and that would be the rate at which the buy orders fill up.
zzCoins Caldari Decorum Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2009.01.06 13:00:00 - [15] Try trading stuff normally bought with corp/alliance isk like Faction POS items and POS fuel People using their own isk want a good price, people who are using someone elses isk, just want a quick deal, and do not want to haul stuff

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