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Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.07.27 04:39:00 - [1] Originally by: Cortex Reaver This can you aquired indeed sounds like it was abandoned. I generally define ore thieves as the jerks who will fly right up to you while you're mining in say a cruiser in high-sec space, and take the contents of a can you're transfering stuff into, while it waits on your buddy in the indy to pick it up. I agree. I wouldn't call this a case of ore thieving at all. Whoever mined it left it for a few hours while you saw to moving it. Even though you renamed the can that wouldn't fool anyone who had placed the original can there. Seems pretty clear whoever mined it wasn't ever coming back for it. So your good fortune to have stumbled across it.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.07.27 04:39:00 - [2] Originally by: Cortex Reaver This can you aquired indeed sounds like it was abandoned. I generally define ore thieves as the jerks who will fly right up to you while you're mining in say a cruiser in high-sec space, and take the contents of a can you're transfering stuff into, while it waits on your buddy in the indy to pick it up. I agree. I wouldn't call this a case of ore thieving at all. Whoever mined it left it for a few hours while you saw to moving it. Even though you renamed the can that wouldn't fool anyone who had placed the original can there. Seems pretty clear whoever mined it wasn't ever coming back for it. So your good fortune to have stumbled across it.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.07.28 21:29:00 - [3] Edited by: Mon Palae on 28/07/2004 21:39:59 Edited by: Mon Palae on 28/07/2004 21:36:12 Originally by: Surefoot Please learn what JETTISON means before you accuse someone of being a thief. Please try using a dictionary known for its excellence in the field of linguistics. Quote: jettison /jettisÆn/ ò verb 1 throw or drop from an aircraft or ship. 2 abandon or discard. ù ORIGIN Old French getaison, from Latin jacere æto throwÆ. SOURCE: Compact Oxford English Dictionary Note that the primary definition makes no mention regarding ownership or how the person throwing something off the ship regards his/her ownership of that item. For instance: A military cargo plane could jettison a pallet of ammo and food for the troops below. Maybe it is just me but despite the cargo plane jettisoning the cargo out the back door I somehow suspect the military still views whatever is on it as theirs. If you disagree and think the military has thrown it away then try taking what they drop and see how far you get. While you seem to prefer definition #2 I prefer #1 and that debate has been done to death. The only point here being that you cannot use the definition of the word "jettison" to support your case (or rather both sides in the debate can use the definition to support or debunk essentially cancelling each other out). As mentioned this is a case of an abandoned can so it was not theft by anyone's definition.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.07.28 21:29:00 - [4] Edited by: Mon Palae on 28/07/2004 21:39:59 Edited by: Mon Palae on 28/07/2004 21:36:12 Originally by: Surefoot Please learn what JETTISON means before you accuse someone of being a thief. Please try using a dictionary known for its excellence in the field of linguistics. Quote: jettison /jettisÆn/ ò verb 1 throw or drop from an aircraft or ship. 2 abandon or discard. ù ORIGIN Old French getaison, from Latin jacere æto throwÆ. SOURCE: Compact Oxford English Dictionary Note that the primary definition makes no mention regarding ownership or how the person throwing something off the ship regards his/her ownership of that item. For instance: A military cargo plane could jettison a pallet of ammo and food for the troops below. Maybe it is just me but despite the cargo plane jettisoning the cargo out the back door I somehow suspect the military still views whatever is on it as theirs. If you disagree and think the military has thrown it away then try taking what they drop and see how far you get. While you seem to prefer definition #2 I prefer #1 and that debate has been done to death. The only point here being that you cannot use the definition of the word "jettison" to support your case (or rather both sides in the debate can use the definition to support or debunk essentially cancelling each other out). As mentioned this is a case of an abandoned can so it was not theft by anyone's definition.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.07.29 04:08:00 - [5] Edited by: Mon Palae on 29/07/2004 04:12:28 Originally by: Surefoot Psst. Your whole post was about a signature that changes often and was not used to support my stance. If I get around to it, I might change the URL to the one you posted. That is if I don't change it completly to something else when I get bored with it. Anyway, thanks! Psst. Signatures are not included in the autoquote function at all so I recreated your sig in my quote. You can change your sig all you like and mine will remain the same. It is not uncommon for threads to be edited or deleted either so occasinonally you will see a quote and be unable to reference it back to the person. I think people are used to it and take little note and assume the quote was/is a fair quote of what the person said somewhere (unless they later see the person kicking up a storm about how they never siad that which is not the case here). Quote: If I wanted to argue about semetics I would argue that the game adheres to the "abanodned" definition more than any others. It wouldn't be because of pesronal preference. It would be because of my observation of these mechanics. I personally think someone sitting next to their can while mining is a pretty clear indication that the person does not view the can as garbage for any to take but as theirs. While game mechanics allow for anyone to come and take what is there that by no means equates to taking the "abandoned" definition. If you truly believe in the abandoned definition then drive to 0.0 and find some miners mining to a jet can. If the abandoned definition is the one that holds I am sure they will leave you alone as you empty their can.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.07.29 04:08:00 - [6] Edited by: Mon Palae on 29/07/2004 04:12:28 Originally by: Surefoot Psst. Your whole post was about a signature that changes often and was not used to support my stance. If I get around to it, I might change the URL to the one you posted. That is if I don't change it completly to something else when I get bored with it. Anyway, thanks! Psst. Signatures are not included in the autoquote function at all so I recreated your sig in my quote. You can change your sig all you like and mine will remain the same. It is not uncommon for threads to be edited or deleted either so occasinonally you will see a quote and be unable to reference it back to the person. I think people are used to it and take little note and assume the quote was/is a fair quote of what the person said somewhere (unless they later see the person kicking up a storm about how they never siad that which is not the case here). Quote: If I wanted to argue about semetics I would argue that the game adheres to the "abanodned" definition more than any others. It wouldn't be because of pesronal preference. It would be because of my observation of these mechanics. I personally think someone sitting next to their can while mining is a pretty clear indication that the person does not view the can as garbage for any to take but as theirs. While game mechanics allow for anyone to come and take what is there that by no means equates to taking the "abandoned" definition. If you truly believe in the abandoned definition then drive to 0.0 and find some miners mining to a jet can. If the abandoned definition is the one that holds I am sure they will leave you alone as you empty their can.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.07.29 14:40:00 - [7] Originally by: Surefoot Here we go, arguing about that definition again. I thought you said that was useless. I was replying to what you had written and that I do not think game mechanics implies anything about how I view ownership of a can sitting next to me that I am mining into. Quote: If you truly believe in the abandoned definition then drive to 0.0 and find some miners mining to a jet can. If the abandoned definition is the one that holds I am sure they will leave you alone as you empty their can. Quote: Everyone knows what would happen. Why suggest I'd be so stupid? Not suggesting you'd be so stupid but I think it makes it pretty clear that almost no one on EVE views those cans as garbage they have abandoned.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.07.29 14:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Surefoot Here we go, arguing about that definition again. I thought you said that was useless. I was replying to what you had written and that I do not think game mechanics implies anything about how I view ownership of a can sitting next to me that I am mining into. Quote: If you truly believe in the abandoned definition then drive to 0.0 and find some miners mining to a jet can. If the abandoned definition is the one that holds I am sure they will leave you alone as you empty their can. Quote: Everyone knows what would happen. Why suggest I'd be so stupid? Not suggesting you'd be so stupid but I think it makes it pretty clear that almost no one on EVE views those cans as garbage they have abandoned.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.07.29 14:42:00 - [9] Originally by: Surefoot Originally by: Rot Animal Nice story!! A good read. A shame this post is turning into yet another "We hate ore thieves" thread. To settle that argument let's see what CCP has to say about Ore Theft You posted while I was posting. Thanks for that link! I'll use it often. I debunked that particular piece of CCP claptrap in this thread.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.07.29 14:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Surefoot Originally by: Rot Animal Nice story!! A good read. A shame this post is turning into yet another "We hate ore thieves" thread. To settle that argument let's see what CCP has to say about Ore Theft You posted while I was posting. Thanks for that link! I'll use it often. I debunked that particular piece of CCP claptrap in this thread.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.07.29 16:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Rot Animal Those are the rules given to you by the designers of this game. Simple as that really. No matter how much you debunk them they stand until removed or changed. Not arguing that but I can still point out the rules are stupid and ridiculous. If people weren't allowed to do this then every complaint directed at CCP could be answered with "Those are the rules as CCP set them so live with it." I'll keep grinding my axe along with a few thousand others.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.07.29 16:10:00 - [12] Originally by: Rot Animal Those are the rules given to you by the designers of this game. Simple as that really. No matter how much you debunk them they stand until removed or changed. Not arguing that but I can still point out the rules are stupid and ridiculous. If people weren't allowed to do this then every complaint directed at CCP could be answered with "Those are the rules as CCP set them so live with it." I'll keep grinding my axe along with a few thousand others.

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