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River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.24 10:22:00 -
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Edited by: River Flow on 24/07/2004 13:28:15 Edited by: River Flow on 24/07/2004 12:16:08 I am starting up a new lottery from today. (11 tickets sold 2 hours after opening join in!) The lottery will be based on incomming isk and have 3 Winners. Prices will be :
1st place : 40% of Lottery isk 2nd place : 25% of Lottery isk 3rd place : 15% of Lottery isk
If f.e. the total incomming isk for this week is 100m :
1st --> 40.000.000 2nd --> 25.000.000 3rd --> 15.000.000
The remaining 20% will be the fee for me for administration. Sponsors are welcome, the full 100% of sponsor isk will be added to the lottery.
Tickets are 5000 isk a piece and can be ordered as follows :
Transfer isk to the Character "Justagame" this char is only for lottery use. Transfers under 5000 isk are seen as donations. Buy as many tickets as you like.
Every week on Saterday i will draw the 3 winners using a random number generator.
The winners will receive their winnings that same day.
If there is less than 5 people joining all isk will be refunded.
You can contact me in game via my main character "River Flow".
* question comments and even flame's are welcome *
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River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.24 10:22:00 -
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Edited by: River Flow on 24/07/2004 13:28:15 Edited by: River Flow on 24/07/2004 12:16:08 I am starting up a new lottery from today. (11 tickets sold 2 hours after opening join in!) The lottery will be based on incomming isk and have 3 Winners. Prices will be :
1st place : 40% of Lottery isk 2nd place : 25% of Lottery isk 3rd place : 15% of Lottery isk
If f.e. the total incomming isk for this week is 100m :
1st --> 40.000.000 2nd --> 25.000.000 3rd --> 15.000.000
The remaining 20% will be the fee for me for administration. Sponsors are welcome, the full 100% of sponsor isk will be added to the lottery.
Tickets are 5000 isk a piece and can be ordered as follows :
Transfer isk to the Character "Justagame" this char is only for lottery use. Transfers under 5000 isk are seen as donations. Buy as many tickets as you like.
Every week on Saterday i will draw the 3 winners using a random number generator.
The winners will receive their winnings that same day.
If there is less than 5 people joining all isk will be refunded.
You can contact me in game via my main character "River Flow".
* question comments and even flame's are welcome *
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War Games
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Posted - 2004.07.24 11:22:00 -
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Why should we play your lottery versus well established lottery dealers... such as BIG lottery? What Eve Dev's really think of you! |

War Games
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Posted - 2004.07.24 11:22:00 -
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Why should we play your lottery versus well established lottery dealers... such as BIG lottery? What Eve Dev's really think of you! |

River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.24 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: War Games Why should we play your lottery versus well established lottery dealers... such as BIG lottery?
Very good question. I am aware of the BIG lottery of course. The reasons for my lottery over the BIG one are :
1-Total transparency 80% of isk is returned to players in price money 2-Three substancial prices instead of 1 really BIG one 3-Weekly event and if not enough people join you get the isk 100% back
If the lottery has enough people joining, i will open a website for it. Otherwise check this space for results. Thank you.
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River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.24 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: War Games Why should we play your lottery versus well established lottery dealers... such as BIG lottery?
Very good question. I am aware of the BIG lottery of course. The reasons for my lottery over the BIG one are :
1-Total transparency 80% of isk is returned to players in price money 2-Three substancial prices instead of 1 really BIG one 3-Weekly event and if not enough people join you get the isk 100% back
If the lottery has enough people joining, i will open a website for it. Otherwise check this space for results. Thank you.
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War Games
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Posted - 2004.07.24 11:38:00 -
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Thanks for replying River...
However... More questions...
1) Does your Corporation intend to allow sponsors? Is this lottery backed by any larger corporations (financial solvency issues?) 2) The this might be a scam question comes to mind... :-) 3) More detailsto future lotteries, also in the future since you take 20% off the top, will there be larger, solid bp type prizes instead of cash etc etc? I guess what i'm getting at is ... if 100 mil goes in what's 20 mil other than pure administrative costs, which doesn't seem like alot to me i guess... What Eve Dev's really think of you! |

War Games
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Posted - 2004.07.24 11:38:00 -
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Thanks for replying River...
However... More questions...
1) Does your Corporation intend to allow sponsors? Is this lottery backed by any larger corporations (financial solvency issues?) 2) The this might be a scam question comes to mind... :-) 3) More detailsto future lotteries, also in the future since you take 20% off the top, will there be larger, solid bp type prizes instead of cash etc etc? I guess what i'm getting at is ... if 100 mil goes in what's 20 mil other than pure administrative costs, which doesn't seem like alot to me i guess... What Eve Dev's really think of you! |

River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.24 11:47:00 -
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Edited by: River Flow on 24/07/2004 11:55:51 Happy to reply to all questions :
1-Sponsor are allowed check my opening post 100% of sponsor isk will go to price money Financial solvency is not an issue as price money is based on incomming money.
2-True anything in eve can be a scam i can assure you this is not I can post the whole administration every week if wanted (excel spreadsheet)
3-All things in Eve are profit based be it selling ships, mining, bpo copying and so on, the 20% is profit for me i'll be totally honest in that.
Administration involes setting up a spreadsheet with people-tickets-numbers and generating the winners. Of course i myself (and my alt's) will NOT join the lottery. If enough ISK start getting involved the 20% will be reduced to 10%.
Your remarks concering other winnings than Isk are a good one, i will consider this in the future.
Like i said all results and administration will be totally open to anyone.
Thanks.
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River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.24 11:47:00 -
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Edited by: River Flow on 24/07/2004 11:55:51 Happy to reply to all questions :
1-Sponsor are allowed check my opening post 100% of sponsor isk will go to price money Financial solvency is not an issue as price money is based on incomming money.
2-True anything in eve can be a scam i can assure you this is not I can post the whole administration every week if wanted (excel spreadsheet)
3-All things in Eve are profit based be it selling ships, mining, bpo copying and so on, the 20% is profit for me i'll be totally honest in that.
Administration involes setting up a spreadsheet with people-tickets-numbers and generating the winners. Of course i myself (and my alt's) will NOT join the lottery. If enough ISK start getting involved the 20% will be reduced to 10%.
Your remarks concering other winnings than Isk are a good one, i will consider this in the future.
Like i said all results and administration will be totally open to anyone.
Thanks.
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War Games
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Posted - 2004.07.24 13:57:00 -
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I appreciate your time in answering my questions. I will buy a ticket in the near future and see how it goes. What Eve Dev's really think of you! |

War Games
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Posted - 2004.07.24 13:57:00 -
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I appreciate your time in answering my questions. I will buy a ticket in the near future and see how it goes. What Eve Dev's really think of you! |

Haratu
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Posted - 2004.07.25 03:37:00 -
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I should notify people that there is a person called "justagamer", DO NOT send isk to them, send it to "justagame" like River flow said.
I might enter this one just to give someone else a chance. (River flow...are you aware that BIG has never taken their cut of their lottery? You may want to consider that when earning people's trust.)
I roleplay... there is this computer game called "Earth - The First Genesis" where i play a character in the early 21st century. |

Haratu
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Posted - 2004.07.25 03:37:00 -
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I should notify people that there is a person called "justagamer", DO NOT send isk to them, send it to "justagame" like River flow said.
I might enter this one just to give someone else a chance. (River flow...are you aware that BIG has never taken their cut of their lottery? You may want to consider that when earning people's trust.)
I roleplay... there is this computer game called "Earth - The First Genesis" where i play a character in the early 21st century. |

River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.25 05:25:00 -
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Edited by: River Flow on 25/07/2004 05:39:01 To show all of you that this is a fully open system, the spreadsheet for this week is online. You can see Ticket buyers, the tickets numbers, price money and sponsors. Remember that price money goes up with every ticket bought, an that sponsor money goes 100% towards the price money.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~agsterib/lottery-1.xls
I myself sponser this week lottery with 1 million (i am not a rich character..)
The spreadsheet will be updated as often as possible.
In response to Haratu : Thanks for your trust and the "take" will be lowered in steps when the income goes up.
3 Players have joined since the start 18 hours ago. Please join :
Transfer 5000 isk per ticket (as many tickets as you want) to the character JUSTAGAME
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River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.25 05:25:00 -
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Edited by: River Flow on 25/07/2004 05:39:01 To show all of you that this is a fully open system, the spreadsheet for this week is online. You can see Ticket buyers, the tickets numbers, price money and sponsors. Remember that price money goes up with every ticket bought, an that sponsor money goes 100% towards the price money.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~agsterib/lottery-1.xls
I myself sponser this week lottery with 1 million (i am not a rich character..)
The spreadsheet will be updated as often as possible.
In response to Haratu : Thanks for your trust and the "take" will be lowered in steps when the income goes up.
3 Players have joined since the start 18 hours ago. Please join :
Transfer 5000 isk per ticket (as many tickets as you want) to the character JUSTAGAME
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Shakul
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Posted - 2004.07.25 07:22:00 -
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Edited by: Shakul on 25/07/2004 07:23:35 Will you send out an eve-mail to everyone (even ppl who didn't win) saying who won 1st,2nd,3rd and how much you collected that week? Auction your items for isk, works sort of like ebay. |

Shakul
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Posted - 2004.07.25 07:22:00 -
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Edited by: Shakul on 25/07/2004 07:23:35 Will you send out an eve-mail to everyone (even ppl who didn't win) saying who won 1st,2nd,3rd and how much you collected that week? Auction your items for isk, works sort of like ebay. |

River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.25 08:07:00 -
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The winnings will be anounced here and in the spreadsheet. In the spreadsheet you can see who bought tickets and who won and how much isk was put in.
The spreadsheet will be updated as often as i am online. And i am an almost daily player.
To join transfer 5000 isk per ticket (as many as you want) to the char Justagame.
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River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.25 08:07:00 -
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The winnings will be anounced here and in the spreadsheet. In the spreadsheet you can see who bought tickets and who won and how much isk was put in.
The spreadsheet will be updated as often as i am online. And i am an almost daily player.
To join transfer 5000 isk per ticket (as many as you want) to the char Justagame.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.07.25 10:49:00 -
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U get 20%.
Now why should we play u when big only take 10%. And big have give more than 1 prize but lack of players means its been 1 prize for last 2 draws.
Why not play the big lotto and help get ticket sales upto a lvl at where they can give more than 1 prize again.
 (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.07.25 10:49:00 -
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U get 20%.
Now why should we play u when big only take 10%. And big have give more than 1 prize but lack of players means its been 1 prize for last 2 draws.
Why not play the big lotto and help get ticket sales upto a lvl at where they can give more than 1 prize again.
 (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
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River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.25 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: fairimear U get 20%. Now why should we play u when big only take 10%. And big have give more than 1 prize but lack of players means its been 1 prize for last 2 draws. Why not play the big lotto and help get ticket sales upto a lvl at where they can give more than 1 prize again.
Ill answer your questions : Yes atm i take 20%. Like all players in Eve i want to make a profit so i can spend isk, so others can make a profit. If you read carefully you can see that i sponser this weeks lottery with 1m which means that as it is now I LOOSE running the lottery. Which is ok with me as i want to make it known and i want people to start to trust it.
Also i mentioned earlier, if this does work my take will be reduced to 10% and even lower. Also non isk prices will be included when i get enough people joining.
Why play me instead of BIG ? I have answered that already in this thread. But of course it's your choice. And the good thing is : now you have a choice; you can play BIG or this one or even Both.
BIG = great but i want more people to win reasonable prices compared to 1 winning a silly amount and the rest getting nothing.
Online statistics: http://www.xs4all.nl/~agsterib/lottery-1.xls
To join transfer 5000 isk per ticket (as many as you want) to character Justagame
Thanks for your attention.
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River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.25 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: fairimear U get 20%. Now why should we play u when big only take 10%. And big have give more than 1 prize but lack of players means its been 1 prize for last 2 draws. Why not play the big lotto and help get ticket sales upto a lvl at where they can give more than 1 prize again.
Ill answer your questions : Yes atm i take 20%. Like all players in Eve i want to make a profit so i can spend isk, so others can make a profit. If you read carefully you can see that i sponser this weeks lottery with 1m which means that as it is now I LOOSE running the lottery. Which is ok with me as i want to make it known and i want people to start to trust it.
Also i mentioned earlier, if this does work my take will be reduced to 10% and even lower. Also non isk prices will be included when i get enough people joining.
Why play me instead of BIG ? I have answered that already in this thread. But of course it's your choice. And the good thing is : now you have a choice; you can play BIG or this one or even Both.
BIG = great but i want more people to win reasonable prices compared to 1 winning a silly amount and the rest getting nothing.
Online statistics: http://www.xs4all.nl/~agsterib/lottery-1.xls
To join transfer 5000 isk per ticket (as many as you want) to character Justagame
Thanks for your attention.
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River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.25 17:59:00 -
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Status report on the 1st lottery :
After 1 day there are 12 participants, thank you for your trust.
Statistics always online at : http://www.xs4all.nl/~agsterib/lottery-1.xls
Please join the lottery and buy tickets 5000 isk each (as many as you like)
Transfer isk to character : JUSTAGAME
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River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.25 17:59:00 -
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Status report on the 1st lottery :
After 1 day there are 12 participants, thank you for your trust.
Statistics always online at : http://www.xs4all.nl/~agsterib/lottery-1.xls
Please join the lottery and buy tickets 5000 isk each (as many as you like)
Transfer isk to character : JUSTAGAME
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River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.27 05:01:00 -
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Status update :
Participants 16, Tickets sold : 747 Drawing will be on Saterday, all ticket sold during drawing go to next week's lottery.
All info on : http://www.xs4all.nl/~agsterib/lottery-1.xls
Please join : Buy tickets at 5000 isk (as many as you like) Transfer to character JUSTAGAME
Thank you.
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River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.27 05:01:00 -
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Status update :
Participants 16, Tickets sold : 747 Drawing will be on Saterday, all ticket sold during drawing go to next week's lottery.
All info on : http://www.xs4all.nl/~agsterib/lottery-1.xls
Please join : Buy tickets at 5000 isk (as many as you like) Transfer to character JUSTAGAME
Thank you.
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Cloista Shadowblade
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Posted - 2004.07.28 01:08:00 -
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Spose it's always worth a shot, even just for a laugh. Cloista Shadowblade. CEO of the Eligible Target Corp |

Cloista Shadowblade
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Posted - 2004.07.28 01:08:00 -
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Spose it's always worth a shot, even just for a laugh. Cloista Shadowblade. CEO of the Eligible Target Corp |

River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.28 13:39:00 -
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Now that's the spirit! :) Thx.
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River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.28 13:39:00 -
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Now that's the spirit! :) Thx.
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Therax
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Posted - 2004.07.28 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: Therax on 28/07/2004 15:46:36
Originally by: River Flow
The reasons for my lottery over the BIG one are :
1-Total transparency 80% of isk is returned to players in price money
The BIG lottery reserves the right to take 10% of the prize fund, which we never actually have. As it stands we dont take anything, so this isn't really a reason over the BIG lottery.
Quote:
2-Three substancial prices instead of 1 really BIG one
Currently yup the prize is singular, we have been known to give up to 5 though, depends on the round in question.
Quote:
3-Weekly event and if not enough people join you get the isk 100% back
cool !
Just setting the record straight re some not entirely accurate information, best of luck with your lottery.
-Morbeis
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Therax
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Posted - 2004.07.28 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: Therax on 28/07/2004 15:46:36
Originally by: River Flow
The reasons for my lottery over the BIG one are :
1-Total transparency 80% of isk is returned to players in price money
The BIG lottery reserves the right to take 10% of the prize fund, which we never actually have. As it stands we dont take anything, so this isn't really a reason over the BIG lottery.
Quote:
2-Three substancial prices instead of 1 really BIG one
Currently yup the prize is singular, we have been known to give up to 5 though, depends on the round in question.
Quote:
3-Weekly event and if not enough people join you get the isk 100% back
cool !
Just setting the record straight re some not entirely accurate information, best of luck with your lottery.
-Morbeis
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River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.28 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Therax Edited by: Therax on 28/07/2004 15:46:36
Originally by: River Flow
1-Total transparency 80% of isk is returned to players in price money
The BIG lottery reserves the right to take 10% of the prize fund, which we never actually have. As it stands we dont take anything, so this isn't really a reason over the BIG lottery.
First of all thanks for your comments :)
One remark, i was pointing mainly at the total transparency with the online spreadsheet : http://www.xs4all.nl/~agsterib/lottery-1.xls Don't know about the big system, but on mine you can see current prizes, tickets and so on.
The 20% take is atm below 0% so it's a "give" this is due to myself sponsoring the startup. Next week will have no sponsering from myself and a fixed 10% take.
Unlike BIG i cannot afford not to make a profit (yet) 
Thanks again for your positive comments & also good luck with BIG's lottery.
Join the JUSTAGAME lottery and transfer 5000 isk per ticket (as many as you like) to the character JUSTAGAME See online spreadsheet also.
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River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.28 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Therax Edited by: Therax on 28/07/2004 15:46:36
Originally by: River Flow
1-Total transparency 80% of isk is returned to players in price money
The BIG lottery reserves the right to take 10% of the prize fund, which we never actually have. As it stands we dont take anything, so this isn't really a reason over the BIG lottery.
First of all thanks for your comments :)
One remark, i was pointing mainly at the total transparency with the online spreadsheet : http://www.xs4all.nl/~agsterib/lottery-1.xls Don't know about the big system, but on mine you can see current prizes, tickets and so on.
The 20% take is atm below 0% so it's a "give" this is due to myself sponsoring the startup. Next week will have no sponsering from myself and a fixed 10% take.
Unlike BIG i cannot afford not to make a profit (yet) 
Thanks again for your positive comments & also good luck with BIG's lottery.
Join the JUSTAGAME lottery and transfer 5000 isk per ticket (as many as you like) to the character JUSTAGAME See online spreadsheet also.
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Therax
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Posted - 2004.07.28 17:51:00 -
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Quote:
One remark, i was pointing mainly at the total transparency with the online spreadsheet : http://www.xs4all.nl/~agsterib/lottery-1.xls Don't know about the big system, but on mine you can see current prizes, tickets and so on.
We show all that aswell, we dont however disclose player names.
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Unlike BIG i cannot afford not to make a profit (yet) 
Just to re-iterate, BIG reserves the right to take 10%, but we never have, so BIG has never actually made a profit on the lottery since its inception.
Good luck again.
-Morbeis
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Therax
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Posted - 2004.07.28 17:51:00 -
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Quote:
One remark, i was pointing mainly at the total transparency with the online spreadsheet : http://www.xs4all.nl/~agsterib/lottery-1.xls Don't know about the big system, but on mine you can see current prizes, tickets and so on.
We show all that aswell, we dont however disclose player names.
Quote:
Unlike BIG i cannot afford not to make a profit (yet) 
Just to re-iterate, BIG reserves the right to take 10%, but we never have, so BIG has never actually made a profit on the lottery since its inception.
Good luck again.
-Morbeis
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Nerhtal Al'Thali
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Posted - 2004.07.28 22:29:00 -
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Would BIG be so BIG as to support this other lottery? :)
I wonder....
"Game Experience And Dev Opinions May Change With The Time Of Day During Online Play" Oveur
"First in, last out" Bridgeburner Motto |

Nerhtal Al'Thali
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Posted - 2004.07.28 22:29:00 -
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Would BIG be so BIG as to support this other lottery? :)
I wonder....
"Game Experience And Dev Opinions May Change With The Time Of Day During Online Play" Oveur
"First in, last out" Bridgeburner Motto |

Phacier
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Posted - 2004.07.29 18:09:00 -
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River...
If you would like some assistance with a website, I could be of assistance. I could help design you an online database kind of like your spread sheet now.. but more static where you just fill out a players name how many tickets they bought and it will do all the calculations for you.. your 20% keep what goes to the lotto.. sponcers.. all of it.. if you have any interest please let me know in game or here.
P.S. I would like to buy 100 tickets to give your lotto a try.
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Phacier
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Posted - 2004.07.29 18:09:00 -
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River...
If you would like some assistance with a website, I could be of assistance. I could help design you an online database kind of like your spread sheet now.. but more static where you just fill out a players name how many tickets they bought and it will do all the calculations for you.. your 20% keep what goes to the lotto.. sponcers.. all of it.. if you have any interest please let me know in game or here.
P.S. I would like to buy 100 tickets to give your lotto a try.
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Gavin Kineli
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Posted - 2004.07.29 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nerhtal Al'Thali Would BIG be so BIG as to support this other lottery? :)
I wonder....
Why would we do that? We're not condemning it.
Play The BIG Lottery! |

Gavin Kineli
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Posted - 2004.07.29 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nerhtal Al'Thali Would BIG be so BIG as to support this other lottery? :)
I wonder....
Why would we do that? We're not condemning it.
Play The BIG Lottery! |

River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.30 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: River Flow on 30/07/2004 11:11:43
Originally by: Phacier River...
If you would like some assistance with a website, I could be of assistance. I could help design you an online database kind of like your spread sheet now.. but more static where you just fill out a players name how many tickets they bought and it will do all the calculations for you.. your 20% keep what goes to the lotto.. sponcers.. all of it.. if you have any interest please let me know in game or here.
P.S. I would like to buy 100 tickets to give your lotto a try.
Thank you for the great offer  If would certainly appreciate that. BTW : Next week will have a 10% take. 
Also thanks for joining ! First drawing will be tomorrow 31-07
To join : Transfer 5000 isk per ticket (as many as you like) to character JUSTAGAME
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River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.30 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: River Flow on 30/07/2004 11:11:43
Originally by: Phacier River...
If you would like some assistance with a website, I could be of assistance. I could help design you an online database kind of like your spread sheet now.. but more static where you just fill out a players name how many tickets they bought and it will do all the calculations for you.. your 20% keep what goes to the lotto.. sponcers.. all of it.. if you have any interest please let me know in game or here.
P.S. I would like to buy 100 tickets to give your lotto a try.
Thank you for the great offer  If would certainly appreciate that. BTW : Next week will have a 10% take. 
Also thanks for joining ! First drawing will be tomorrow 31-07
To join : Transfer 5000 isk per ticket (as many as you like) to character JUSTAGAME
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Planek
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Posted - 2004.07.30 18:10:00 -
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so how many people have entered and how many tickets have been sold so far.
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Planek
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Posted - 2004.07.30 18:10:00 -
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so how many people have entered and how many tickets have been sold so far.
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River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.31 05:29:00 -
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Result of the 1st JUSTAGAME lottery : 926 tickets where sold to 29 participants.
Ticket 7 : Rylissa --> 2.355.105 -- 1st prize Ticket 381 : Neslo --> 1.471.941 -- 2nd prize Ticket 892 : Zimoh --> 883.164 -- 3rd prize
All winner congratulations!
2nd lottery now open see new thread. Thanks all for joining and for giving me trust in this first lottery.
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River Flow
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Posted - 2004.07.31 05:29:00 -
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Result of the 1st JUSTAGAME lottery : 926 tickets where sold to 29 participants.
Ticket 7 : Rylissa --> 2.355.105 -- 1st prize Ticket 381 : Neslo --> 1.471.941 -- 2nd prize Ticket 892 : Zimoh --> 883.164 -- 3rd prize
All winner congratulations!
2nd lottery now open see new thread. Thanks all for joining and for giving me trust in this first lottery.
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