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Butzewutze
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Posted - 2009.01.08 00:37:00 -
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Edited by: Butzewutze on 08/01/2009 00:36:56
Hi there,
i had some thoughts about Minmatar and i want to share them mostly belonging to the versatility that minmatarships have (or should have). In my oppinion it sucks that ccp "forces" you to a special playstyle.
For example
Muninn - Forced to be a sniperhac - Sure it can be used as an improved rupture with AC's but in this case you are wasting the optimal bonus and it would be cheaper / better to take a Hurricane instead. Why does a HAC have a usefull bonus only for 1 weapon type, the long range variant? I can fit pulse on a Zealot and i will profit from the range bonus. I can fit HAM's on a Cerberus and i will profit from the larger range... but fitting AC's on that thing is just a joke -> 1 km optimal range + 50 % bonus -> wohooo -> 1.5 km optimal range now.
Vargur - Forced to be an AC-boat. Sure u can fit some artillery's on that thing but u have to sacrifice several lowslots to get some faction-artillery's online that A. are expensive B. have low damage C. Arty's are just LOL (but thats another story). Why can i fit long range weapons on "every" other marauder, beams on a paladin, rails on a kronos, cruise on a Golem but on the vargur you are somewhat stucked with AC's?
Additionaly minmatar have no ship that is well able to snipe out to / above 200km
After all the recent speednerfs range is becoming a bigger issue in the whole game. So why can "every" race shoot out to 200 km or more but the Minmatar can't?
I have some more concerns mostly about tanking, most ships prefer some buffertanks in pvp, sure you see the usual Hyperion with dualrepair but mostly u see ships with just a shieldextender as tank, 1600 plates on cruisers, 1600er + trimark geddons. All this is fine and i understand the advantages a "buffertank" has but if you try this on a Minmatarship it will either A. dont work / or worse then other ships B. leave you with another wasted bonus -> the shieldboostbonus on the cyclone or maelstrom for example. I can plate up a Prophecy and will make good use of the resistance bonus on that ship, the same with a rokh, abbaddon etc. but on Minmatarships you are again forced into very heavy cap dependant "regenerationtanks" (means getPwnz0red by Neuts) or try the buffer and waste your bonus.
Is this what CCP or you players call versatility?
I call this subpar at least and with all the problems minmatar currently have i wonder if there is still a concept for minmatar or if its the "unwanted" craprace. Sure, Minmatar have some good ships, mostly tech 1 cruisers / bc's but what about everything else?
M.ight A.swell T.rain A.nother R.ace 
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Minmatar Citizen 290574
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Posted - 2009.01.08 03:38:00 -
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Edited by: Minmatar Citizen 290574 on 08/01/2009 03:45:48
Edited by: Minmatar Citizen 290574 on 08/01/2009 03:42:20
Edited by: Minmatar Citizen 290574 on 08/01/2009 03:39:56
they have one... its called duct tape... 
BTW what other race gets ****en sunglasses
The classic...
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Diek Ran
Amarr
Autonums
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Posted - 2009.01.08 03:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Minmatar Citizen 290574
Edited by: Minmatar Citizen 290574 on 08/01/2009 03:42:20
Edited by: Minmatar Citizen 290574 on 08/01/2009 03:39:56
they have one... its called duck tape...
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... as opposed to duct tape
*QUACK QUACK*
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Typhado3
Minmatar
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.08 05:28:00 -
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/signed
minmatar seem to be losing our racial specialities, alpha anyone? |
Kazang
Gallente
Arbitrary Freedom
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Posted - 2009.01.08 17:03:00 -
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Minmatar's speciality is being versatile and fast.
Example:
Typhoon : awesome battleship that can be fit in so many ways, and not to mention having the best damage of all the battleships. Slightly more than a fully gank fitted mega when using max skills, whilst having capless weapons and 20km range. Tempest is a bit rubbish yeah but its an option, it does snipe well, 160km optimal plus 40km ish falloff so minmatar can hit out to 200km well enough, just as well as a rail mega. The maelstrom another good option, opposite end of the spectrum to the phoon, autocannons and shield tank, with the emphasis on tank.
Vagabond: still the best HAC in the game(followed closely by the zealot), whilst being the only HAC you can effectively nano anymore. Also puts out nice dps if fit for max gank. Versatile usfull and fun, what more could you want? Yes the munnin sucks, but so does the eagle and the deimos isnt exactly great either.
Sleipnir: One of the best CS and easily the most versatile, can gank, tank and nano. All at the same time if you wanted  try doing that with a spongehawk  Compare the other races CS; damnation all tank no gank. Astarte and absolution all gank no tank. Eos, nighthawk and vulture are just fail in pvp so i wont even bother saying anything about them.
Rifter: nuff said really, best frigate end of story.
Yes minmatar got some gimpy ships but so has every race, swings and roundabouts. Arty does need a small buff though, slighty better alpha, range and clip size. With a slightly slower rof. The dps of arty is fine, same as rails, with better alpha and no cap use. So dont whine too hard, rails are just as bad its just beams are so much better than both they have their penalties though, cap use and are very hard to fit.
Kazang
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar
Out of Order
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Posted - 2009.01.08 17:09:00 -
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Rupture is still the beast it always was.
Arty's need a look see. The fitting requirements are stupid, even the smallest size of arty's are stupidly hard to fit. And even then you aren't hitting anything for much damage..... (No minny ships besides munnin have optimal bonus, meaning good luck getting into suicide range.)
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Butzewutze
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Posted - 2009.01.08 19:03:00 -
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Thanks for the replys so far.
I agree, there are some ships that are usefull in the minmatarline(rupture, sleipnir, typhoon for example). We all know that every race has some good ships but somehow Minmatar got a bit gimped with all the latest patches and i think they need some "flair". I can fly Amarr and Minmatar at almost the same level and if i think about buying a new ship i mostly use Amarr because they can almost do every job better, maybe not at cruisersized ships but battleships for sure -> sniping. There are so many ships that are actualy very useless somehow or outclassed by other ships -> tempest as sniper, muninn as sniper just to mention some examples.
@CCP Give minmatar some flair pls.
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Popperr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.01.08 19:08:00 -
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this is a pretty good troll
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Kernel of War
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.08 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 08/01/2009 19:33:25
Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 08/01/2009 19:32:25
I was doubtfull before speaking a lot in the "fix minmatarr" thread these vacations. I realize a couple of things :
- artillery is broken (if you compare to other races : range is the poorest vs lasers or hybrid, alpha < lasers (alpha was suposed to be minmatarr)).
- fleet fits for tempests are broken (since locus stacking nerf) (It can't have all the sexy stuff an abaddon/apoc/megathron/etc have ie : mwd + 200km + a few dps + any dd ehp tank + locking at 200km). Mealstroms could maybe do that but it's a tiers 3 and they are expensive for fleet fights.
Dual weapons boats are broken since 5.5 years now. I don't know if CCP plan to make something because it's a very old subject.
It's still a good race if you don't snipe. Love the ships.
Fetchez la vache !
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Vicarrah
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.08 19:37:00 -
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Not every ship is designed for , or is good at PvP.
The Tempest is a wonderful mission boat, I've flown one for many years. Sure it may not be stellar, but I rather like having to think about things instead of just sitting and tanking like a pregnant drake..... err duck.
you have a lot to learn about how to fly Matari ships. I'm not being funny, or nasty, but I've put in a serious amount of dedication to fly them well. I hope you're prepared to do the same.
P.S. looking back over the years, you'll find that every single race/ship combination has been "teh suk" at some point, and pretty much most of the have also been "teh win" ;)
Vicarrah
Tahiri Matriarch
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Spaztick
Canadian Imperial Armaments
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.01.08 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Vicarrah
Not every ship is designed for , or is good at PvP.
The Tempest is a wonderful mission boat, I've flown one for many years. Sure it may not be stellar, but I rather like having to think about things instead of just sitting and tanking like a pregnant drake..... err duck.
you have a lot to learn about how to fly Matari ships. I'm not being funny, or nasty, but I've put in a serious amount of dedication to fly them well. I hope you're prepared to do the same.
P.S. looking back over the years, you'll find that every single race/ship combination has been "teh suk" at some point, and pretty much most of the have also been "teh win" ;)
The Tempest is a sniper boat. Maelstrom is better than the Tempest for missioning, due to the shield boost bonus and the larger number of turrets. |
Butzewutze
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Posted - 2009.01.08 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Vicarrah
you have a lot to learn about how to fly Matari ships. I'm not being funny, or nasty, but I've put in a serious amount of dedication to fly them well. I hope you're prepared to do the same.
Yeah, you are right. I will get my snipertempest to shoot over 200 km if i learn a bit more, and the muninn wont suck if i think about it again. What was your point again? |
Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.01.08 20:00:00 -
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I nominate that all minmatar ships get one additional rig slot and +50 calibration. |
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