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Dennmoth Ferdier	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:13:00 - [1] Edited by: Dennmoth Ferdier on 08/01/2009 09:16:13 You know, our frigates are way larger than the eiffel tower. They cost millions of isk. Somewhere it said a normal family living on a planet can hope to achieve 10,000 isk in the course of their lifetime, but the biggest ships we can fly cost tens of billions. And many do fly them. In addition; Our missiles have enough megatons to blow up a small planet. We can fly across the universe, and cross solar systems in seconds. We colonized space. We have ships the size that can house a small city worth of people as crew. We have modules that jam, extract, tractor, scan, warp and do amazing things. God knows how long we've been around in New Eden already. All these amazing feats of technology and human know-how would lead me to believe it'd be possible to lock the door of your multi-million - multi billion spaceship when you go stretch your legs. Shouldn't be too hard to have a small key in your pocket, that you click and the lights on your titan blink to let you know it's now safely locked. I vote for door lock BPO lottery. Over and out. ------ Heart for isk, Balls for risk.
Bee'pa Kaia	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:20:00 - [2] The titan should "chirp" too. That's be pretty sweet in Ambulation to step out of your ship, turn around, do an emote like /lockship and it flashes and chirps at ya, then you walk away. Dammit CCP, consider this for Ambulation, would ya? Would definitely add to the immersion factor. lol. :P
Scarlet Pimpdaddy Minmatar	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:31:00 - [3] Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier Edited by: Dennmoth Ferdier on 08/01/2009 09:16:13 You know, our frigates are way larger than the eiffel tower. They ain't, check this. Clearly has large eiffel tower and itty bitty frigs on it.
Meleira Luan Tiger Trading	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:34:00 - [4] Originally by: Scarlet Pimpdaddy Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier Edited by: Dennmoth Ferdier on 08/01/2009 09:16:13 You know, our frigates are way larger than the eiffel tower. They ain't, check this. Clearly has large eiffel tower and itty bitty frigs on it. Never has it been more appropriate to say... PWNED!
Lothris Andastar	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:44:00 - [5] Sounds like someone had his ship at a safespot stolen newsflash: LEAVE SHIPS IN STATION FRO FREE DOORLOCK!
Celeritas 5k Caldari Wings of Daedalus	Posted - 2009.01.08 10:30:00 - [6] Originally by: Lothris Andastar Sounds like someone had his ship at a safespot stolen newsflash: LEAVE SHIPS IN STATION FRO FREE DOORLOCK! newsflash: moms and titans can't dock newsflash: there are huge chunks of 0.0 where there are no stations.
Dennmoth Ferdier	Posted - 2009.01.08 10:32:00 - [7] Edited by: Dennmoth Ferdier on 08/01/2009 10:32:33 Originally by: Bee'pa Kaia The titan should "chirp" too. That's be pretty sweet in Ambulation to step out of your ship, turn around, do an emote like /lockship and it flashes and chirps at ya, then you walk away. Dammit CCP, consider this for Ambulation, would ya? Would definitely add to the immersion factor. lol. :P Oo haven't seen that better resolution version. I stand corrected.
Dennmoth Ferdier	Posted - 2009.01.08 10:37:00 - [8] Originally by: Lothris Andastar Sounds like someone had his ship at a safespot stolen newsflash: LEAVE SHIPS IN STATION FRO FREE DOORLOCK! You would think so, but this thread was actually spurred in the middle of a brain-suckingly boring class while wondering about the many amazing aspects of eve.
Scarlet Pimpdaddy Minmatar	Posted - 2009.01.08 10:56:00 - [9] Where did you hear frigates would be the size of the eiffel tower anyways? P.S. I am also procrastinating. Have study. Can't be bothered.
Dennmoth Ferdier	Posted - 2009.01.08 15:14:00 - [10] Originally by: Scarlet Pimpdaddy Where did you hear frigates would be the size of the eiffel tower anyways? P.S. I am also procrastinating. Have study. Can't be bothered. Remembered wrong, but I blame the huge picture that couldnt fit a titan on my screen let alone compare the eiffel with the frigs :) ------ Heart for isk, Balls for risk.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.08 15:24:00 - [11] I'm pretty sure I don't endorse whatever suggestion OP is making (although tbh I read like half their post and none of the proceeding posts... hey I have things to do IRL too you know.)
Asestorian Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.08 15:27:00 - [12] If you could lock your super capitals how would we have all those hilarious incidents when someone was an idiot and left it for the Guiding Hand Social Club to steal? --- Originally by: CCP Atropos Destiny Balls
Squably Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.01.08 15:31:00 - [13] That sheet misses the titans, n wtf is a caldari shuttle bigger than the frigs. Signature removed. Please do not imply profanity in your signature. Navigator
X1994	Posted - 2009.01.08 15:59:00 - [14] Click here for a better ship size comparison
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.08 16:02:00 - [15] A nice idea, but what happens when you accidentally drop the key down a drain? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Dennmoth Ferdier	Posted - 2009.01.08 16:15:00 - [16] Originally by: Rodj Blake A nice idea, but what happens when you accidentally drop the key down a drain? You get **** drunk, growl at someone about how life sucks and then you smack your wife and have anal sex till you pass out. That's what I'd do.
Captain Pompous	Posted - 2009.01.08 16:21:00 - [17] Originally by: Lothris Andastar Sounds like someone had his ship at a safespot stolen newsflash: LEAVE SHIPS IN STATION FRO FREE DOORLOCK! newsflash: DO YOU HAVE TO ACT LIKE A ****TARD TOWARDS EVERYBODY IN EVERY SINGLE THREAD? You must blatantly know that Titans can't dock
Bish Ounen Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.08 17:15:00 - [18] Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier Originally by: Rodj Blake A nice idea, but what happens when you accidentally drop the key down a drain? You get **** drunk, growl at someone about how life sucks and then you smack your wife and have anal sex till you pass out. That's what I'd do. The bigger question here is; Is the smack necessary to get your wife to have anal sex with you, or do you just smack her, and then go have anal sex with someone else?
Dennmoth Ferdier	Posted - 2009.01.08 17:20:00 - [19] Originally by: Bish Ounen Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier Originally by: Rodj Blake A nice idea, but what happens when you accidentally drop the key down a drain? You get **** drunk, growl at someone about how life sucks and then you smack your wife and have anal sex till you pass out. That's what I'd do. The bigger question here is; Is the smack necessary to get your wife to have anal sex with you, or do you just smack her, and then go have anal sex with someone else? The smack is like chocolate sauce on vanilla ice cream. It's not necessary, but it makes the deal a whole lot sweeter. Or, you can just skip the smack AND the wife and go see the ex.
Lothris Andastar	Posted - 2009.01.08 17:32:00 - [20] Edited by: Lothris Andastar on 08/01/2009 17:33:04 Originally by: Captain Pompous Originally by: Lothris Andastar Sounds like someone had his ship at a safespot stolen newsflash: LEAVE SHIPS IN STATION FRO FREE DOORLOCK! newsflash: DO YOU HAVE TO ACT LIKE A ****TARD TOWARDS EVERYBODY IN EVERY SINGLE THREAD? You must blatantly know that Titans can't dock No they cant, and oddly enough this is an intended drawback to piloting a ship that can instapop any number of BS in an instant. Also if you are stupid enough to trust anyone not to nick it at a pos, you dont deserve the titan. edit: yes I do have to act like a ZOMFGSTARS-tard to everyone because its fun to watch them cry when I do
Lord Zoran House of Tempers	Posted - 2009.01.08 17:32:00 - [21] what if you forgot where you parked it?
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.01.08 17:40:00 - [22] Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier Edited by: Dennmoth Ferdier on 08/01/2009 10:34:43 You know, our frigates are way larger than the eiffel tower, well maybe not but they're waaay big. They cost millions of isk. Somewhere it said a normal family living on a planet can hope to achieve 10,000 isk in the course of their lifetime, but the biggest ships we can fly cost tens of billions. And many do fly them. In addition; Our missiles have enough megatons to blow up a small planet. We can fly across the universe, and cross solar systems in seconds. We colonized space. We have ships the size that can house a small city worth of people as crew. We have modules that jam, extract, tractor, scan, warp and do amazing things. God knows how long we've been around in New Eden already. All these amazing feats of technology and human know-how would lead me to believe it'd be possible to lock the door of your multi-million - multi billion spaceship when you go stretch your legs. Shouldn't be too hard to have a small key in your pocket, that you click and the lights on your titan blink to let you know it's now safely locked. I vote for door lock BPO lottery. Over and out. uhm with the human brain being used a super computer there arent that many locks able to keep a skilled decryptor out of a locked area long hence hacking modules and future plans to expand hacking.
Scarlet Pimpdaddy Minmatar	Posted - 2009.01.08 18:27:00 - [23] Originally by: X1994 Click here for a better ship size comparison Looks nicer, I admit but still, the frigs are no way near as big as the eiffel tower. Nice try at smart-assedness. I do have that down to a 'T' tho.
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2009.01.08 18:36:00 - [24] Edited by: Highwind Cid on 08/01/2009 18:39:56 Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier Edited by: Dennmoth Ferdier on 08/01/2009 10:34:43 You know, our frigates are way larger than the eiffel tower, well maybe not but they're waaay big. They cost millions of isk. Somewhere it said a normal family living on a planet can hope to achieve 10,000 isk in the course of their lifetime, but the biggest ships we can fly cost tens of billions. And many do fly them. In addition; Our missiles have enough megatons to blow up a small planet. We can fly across the universe, and cross solar systems in seconds. We colonized space. We have ships the size that can house a small city worth of people as crew. We have modules that jam, extract, tractor, scan, warp and do amazing things. God knows how long we've been around in New Eden already. All these amazing feats of technology and human know-how would lead me to believe it'd be possible to lock the door of your multi-million - multi billion spaceship when you go stretch your legs. Shouldn't be too hard to have a small key in your pocket, that you click and the lights on your titan blink to let you know it's now safely locked. I vote for door lock BPO lottery. Over and out. I had my security professor tell me once, I hammer is a great tool, but it can used for good, or bad. Lots of security tools can be used for bad. So your right, all the technology in eve, you don't think a pilot couldn't 'hack' the system and still get in? However the part about piloting a titan with thousands of co-pilots not noticing is a bit of a stretch.
Bish Ounen Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.08 18:57:00 - [25] Originally by: Highwind Cid However the part about piloting a titan with thousands of co-pilots not noticing is a bit of a stretch. I've always thought that part didn't jibe well with the canon fiction. It would seem that even ships as gigantic as a Titan are entirely automated when run by a Pod Pilot. Otherwise, how the heck could you reasonably steal the thing? Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
Dennmoth Ferdier	Posted - 2009.01.08 19:12:00 - [26] Originally by: Highwind Cid Edited by: Highwind Cid on 08/01/2009 18:39:56 I had my security professor tell me once, I hammer is a great tool, but it can used for good, or bad. Lots of security tools can be used for bad. So your right, all the technology in eve, you don't think a pilot couldn't 'hack' the system and still get in? However the part about piloting a titan with thousands of co-pilots not noticing is a bit of a stretch. I'd like to see you "hack" a 50 ton tritanium lock that opens with a key the size of your finger. It can't be hacked if it's done old-school ;) ------ Heart for isk, Balls for risk.
Bish Ounen Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.08 19:48:00 - [27] Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier I'd like to see you "hack" a 50 ton tritanium lock that opens with a key the size of your finger. It can't be hacked if it's done old-school ;) Actually, if the lock is to be opened with a key the size of your finger, then it is unlikely that it is the LOCK that weighs 50 tons. This is because any "old-school" lock mechanism is turned manually by the key, and thus cannot require more torque to turn than the tensile strength of the key that must turn it. Now, you COULD have a regular lock that is connected to an electronic switch. Turn the key and the electronics activates a series of solenoids or actuators that slides a gigantic lock-bolt aside. However that would be as easy to pick as a regular doorknob. In truth, if one was to have a lock on one's spaceship, you would use a multi-stage authentication lock system. The best ones require at least two states: The state of knowing something, like a password or code key sequence, and the state of HAVING something, like a key, or "smart card" or the correct DNA double-helix pattern. First you supply the thing you HAVE, and then the system asks you to confirm what you KNOW. This is nearly impossible to "pick" without the knowledge of the owner of the lock. From then you get into more complex setups like having to supply items and knowledge in a specific order. But at a certain point it becomes self-defeating in that it takes too long to open the lock. So two or three stage authentication locks are the most practical. Personally, I wouldn't mind having lockable ships, as stealing ships from POSes is more common than it should be. Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
Dennmoth Ferdier	Posted - 2009.01.08 20:47:00 - [28] Originally by: Bish Ounen Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier I'd like to see you "hack" a 50 ton tritanium lock that opens with a key the size of your finger. It can't be hacked if it's done old-school ;) Actually, if the lock is to be opened with a key the size of your finger, then it is unlikely that it is the LOCK that weighs 50 tons. This is because any "old-school" lock mechanism is turned manually by the key, and thus cannot require more torque to turn than the tensile strength of the key that must turn it. Now, you COULD have a regular lock that is connected to an electronic switch. Turn the key and the electronics activates a series of solenoids or actuators that slides a gigantic lock-bolt aside. However that would be as easy to pick as a regular doorknob. In truth, if one was to have a lock on one's spaceship, you would use a multi-stage authentication lock system. The best ones require at least two states: The state of knowing something, like a password or code key sequence, and the state of HAVING something, like a key, or "smart card" or the correct DNA double-helix pattern. First you supply the thing you HAVE, and then the system asks you to confirm what you KNOW. This is nearly impossible to "pick" without the knowledge of the owner of the lock. From then you get into more complex setups like having to supply items and knowledge in a specific order. But at a certain point it becomes self-defeating in that it takes too long to open the lock. So two or three stage authentication locks are the most practical. Personally, I wouldn't mind having lockable ships, as stealing ships from POSes is more common than it should be. Alright you're too smart for me to form witty enough answer, and seeing you wrote a post that long about a locking mechanism, you're at least twice as bored as I am which renders me unable to come up with anything remotely appropriate as a reply. thank you for your 15 and a half cents though.
Dennmoth Ferdier	Posted - 2009.01.09 07:09:00 - [29] But I do think this thread is far from done. What are our chances on a door lock bpo lottery? ------ Heart for isk, Balls for risk.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.01.09 07:56:00 - [30] It was sorta dead on arrival...
Dennmoth Ferdier	Posted - 2009.01.09 08:41:00 - [31] Originally by: Nova Fox It was sorta dead on arrival... I do kinda agree, but I'd get a certificate for 5 pages on a topic of epic (fail) relevance. ------ Heart for isk, Balls for risk.
Seteshi Amarr Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.09 11:20:00 - [32] Edited by: Seteshi on 09/01/2009 11:21:33 Edited by: Seteshi on 09/01/2009 11:21:05 This always struck me as silly too. I mean what does the crew on the ship think when they are hijacked by a rogue pod? Why do they open up to let it in? Crew member 1: "Hey, whats that outside the window?" Crew member 2: "It looks like a pod?" Crew member 1: "It can't be, the boss isn't due back for a week." Crew member 2: "Its banging on the window, I am going to open up and see what it wants. Whats the worst that could happen?" New Pilot: "Attention all hands. AHAHAHAHAHAHA"
Cypher V Minmatar Ore Mongers	Posted - 2009.01.09 12:11:00 - [33] Regarding the "Eifel Tower size ships" thing... I think all ships are the same size. Jump into a shuttle, then jump into a frieghter. Same size on your screen right? Toldyouso. ---------------------------------------------- I'm going to lol in your mouth, and you're going to love it!
Dennmoth Ferdier	Posted - 2009.01.09 13:40:00 - [34] Originally by: Cypher V Regarding the "Eifel Tower size ships" thing... I think all ships are the same size. Jump into a shuttle, then jump into a frieghter. Same size on your screen right? Toldyouso. Yes.. that is the case, isn't it. ------ Heart for isk, Balls for risk.
Bumbum George	Posted - 2009.01.09 13:46:00 - [35] Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier Originally by: Cypher V Regarding the "Eifel Tower size ships" thing... I think all ships are the same size. Jump into a shuttle, then jump into a frieghter. Same size on your screen right? Toldyouso. Yes.. that is the case, isn't it. You Sirs are telling the truth, wouldn't dare disagreeing. BUT I have never seen the Eifel Tower on my screen therefore I've come to the conclusion that there is no Eifel Tower. Yes you got that right, the Eifel Tower is indeed a LIE!
Corwain Gallente Dark Skullz Empire Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.01.09 14:30:00 - [36] Edited by: Corwain on 09/01/2009 14:30:21 Originally by: Cypher V Regarding the "Eifel Tower size ships" thing... I think all ships are the same size. Jump into a shuttle, then jump into a frieghter. Same size on your screen right? Toldyouso. No talk of "eifel size ships" just "eifel size frigates", and certainly not freighters.
Dennmoth Ferdier	Posted - 2009.01.10 11:00:00 - [37] Originally by: Seteshi Edited by: Seteshi on 09/01/2009 11:21:33 Edited by: Seteshi on 09/01/2009 11:21:05 This always struck me as silly too. I mean what does the crew on the ship think when they are hijacked by a rogue pod? Why do they open up to let it in? Crew member 1: "Hey, whats that outside the window?" Crew member 2: "It looks like a pod?" Crew member 1: "It can't be, the boss isn't due back for a week." Crew member 2: "Its banging on the window, I am going to open up and see what it wants. Whats the worst that could happen?" New Pilot: "Attention all hands. AHAHAHAHAHAHA" Which makes me wonder, how does a pod integrate itself to a ship? :D ------ Heart for isk, Balls for risk.
Cibo Seidensha Amarr Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities	Posted - 2009.01.10 11:48:00 - [38] Why cant I board a rough drone? There is no pod inside, I want to make that tentacle-Domi mine!
Mandorr Kzrell	Posted - 2009.01.10 22:47:00 - [39] Edited by: Mandorr Kzrell on 10/01/2009 22:48:06 Originally by: Cibo Seidensha Why cant I board a rough drone? There is no pod inside, I want to make that tentacle-Domi mine! rough drone? Wat, had a rough night? Edit:But I think a door lock would be nice as well. Heck, gief parking screens while you're at it.
Soporo Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.11 00:43:00 - [40] In the same vein, we can anchor a GSC so why can't we anchor our ship and password protect it?
Dictum Factum Gemini Sun Violent-Tendencies	Posted - 2009.01.11 01:27:00 - [41] Originally by: Soporo In the same vein, we can anchor a GSC so why can't we anchor our ship and password protect it? A GSC is made from a bag of holding. So it's got that going for it. Which is nice. I know less than you think I do.

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