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Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.01.08 10:21:00 - [1] Last night I was a bit drunk, and decided to test if I could get isk by just talking in local in Jita. I tried various appoaches, and made 30 mil in 20 minutes. As this is not much for an advanced player, think howmuch this is for a newb? They would be stupid flying missions or mining for this ammount with lvl 1 missions or Veldspar :D The problem is people being so naieve and trusting me. I tried a few approaches, and sympathy scams got me the most isk. I can also imagine if I practice some more, I could make loads more. So I'd say, before people enter major trading hubs, they should do a "would I fall for nonsense?" test. Which offcourse could be bought from me for 1 mil, so I can buy my first cruiser ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Midas Man Caldari Dzark Asylum	Posted - 2009.01.08 10:45:00 - [2] Edited by: Midas Man on 08/01/2009 10:45:17 Originally by: Confuzer Last night I was a bit drunk, and decided to test if I could get isk by just talking in local in Jita. I tried various appoaches, and made 30 mil in 20 minutes. As this is not much for an advanced player, think howmuch this is for a newb? They would be stupid flying missions or mining for this ammount with lvl 1 missions or Veldspar :D The problem is people being so naieve and trusting me. I tried a few approaches, and sympathy scams got me the most isk. I can also imagine if I practice some more, I could make loads more. So I'd say, before people enter major trading hubs, they should do a "would I fall for nonsense?" test. Which offcourse could be bought from me for 1 mil, so I can buy my first cruiser 1 mil on route after work, hope your test is good Im sick of people promising me 10x my isk back and running with my money, surely there is 1 honest "I will double your ISK" person in Jita.
Rayban Aviator	Posted - 2009.01.08 11:30:00 - [3] "Jita scammers and beggers, why they keep doing it" Because ppl keep falling for it.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.01.08 13:16:00 - [4] Originally by: Rayban Aviator "Jita scammers and beggers, why they keep doing it" Because ppl keep falling for it. Yup, they owe their existence to the constant influx of new players.
Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.01.08 13:29:00 - [5] The guy who donated the most, WASN'T a new player. Or maybe I made a bad carreerchoice when I started honest trading? Maybe I just found out what I do best
Feronia Gallente Magma Industries	Posted - 2009.01.08 14:29:00 - [6] Last week I checked the contract history of a few Jita contract scammers. Its amazing how many people they trick every day. Some of them make over 300 mill a day with spamming fake contracts in local. I guess its not a bad income if you can find the courage to live in Jita and spam local chat all day. The most painful one must be the "WTB Plex 410 mill" contract. Must be horrifying to find out you spent RL money on GTC's, think you made a great deal and end up with only 410k Isk for each Plex. And to think most of it could be easily solved by not allowing to post contract links in local chat.
Midas Man Caldari Dzark Asylum	Posted - 2009.01.08 14:49:00 - [7] Originally by: Feronia And to think most of it could be easily solved by not allowing to post contract links in local chat. Or more easily solved by (the scammed party) taking a preschool maths and reading course.
Andrea Erlang Caldari Erlang Biolabs	Posted - 2009.01.08 15:41:00 - [8] Originally by: Midas Man Originally by: Feronia And to think most of it could be easily solved by not allowing to post contract links in local chat. Or more easily solved by (the scammed party) taking a preschool maths and reading course. hahah.. this But on a serious note. I love scamming, never did it myself. But I think it makes EVE what it is. What I don't like is the same scam being spammed by 20 people. I just love it when someone comes up with a new scam. I wish there were more creative people to be honest
Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.01.08 15:46:00 - [9] Well that was just the thing. Because I was experimenting, I got some compliments on my original scams :D And some even donated cus of it
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.01.08 16:36:00 - [10] Originally by: Confuzer Well that was just the thing. Because I was experimenting, I got some compliments on my original scams :D And some even donated cus of it I hope your not planning on launching an IPO/bond?
Midas Man Caldari Dzark Asylum	Posted - 2009.01.08 16:39:00 - [11] Edited by: Midas Man on 08/01/2009 16:39:04 Originally by: cosmoray Originally by: Confuzer Well that was just the thing. Because I was experimenting, I got some compliments on my original scams :D And some even donated cus of it I hope your not planning on launching an IPO/bond? hehe, Im sure if he did there would be numerous lemmings ready to throw Isk's at him, even if this thread is still on page 1
Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.01.08 17:12:00 - [12] lol No, I hate that word. Makes eve look like work. ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Lexander Morinex Caldari LDD Investments	Posted - 2009.01.08 17:22:00 - [13] I think the real world has proven that even intelligent people make mistakes, and even smart people can get scammed. The idea that 'only dumb people get scammed' is the classic response of youth. One of the easiest targets for a scam is somebody stupid enough to believe they are 'too smart' and 'too careful' to be scammed. I haven't met a man or woman over 40 who wasn't scammed at least once in their life. Many of them have taken that life experience and are much harder to scam, but it is well established that professionals often target older people, often very intelligent people, for scamming. Scams work by exploiting human weaknesses. The most obvious is greed, which makes it harder to scam an honest man. But honest men have weaknesses too. Jita scams are sad. The positive side is that most of the time the harm is limited to 'game stuff'. And in the end, I just don't value 'game stuff' that much. Tomorrow CCP could run off with all of it and I would have nothing to show for it. - Lexander Morinex
SiJira	Posted - 2009.01.08 17:30:00 - [14] Originally by: Lexander Morinex I think the real world has proven that even intelligent people make mistakes, and even smart people can get scammed. The idea that 'only dumb people get scammed' is the classic response of youth. One of the easiest targets for a scam is somebody stupid enough to believe they are 'too smart' and 'too careful' to be scammed. I haven't met a man or woman over 40 who wasn't scammed at least once in their life. Many of them have taken that life experience and are much harder to scam, but it is well established that professionals often target older people, often very intelligent people, for scamming. Scams work by exploiting human weaknesses. The most obvious is greed, which makes it harder to scam an honest man. But honest men have weaknesses too. Jita scams are sad. The positive side is that most of the time the harm is limited to 'game stuff'. And in the end, I just don't value 'game stuff' that much. Tomorrow CCP could run off with all of it and I would have nothing to show for it. - Lexander Morinex you havent met any men or a women over 40 who havent been scammed? it must have something to do with your profession or you classify scams very broadly like -i gave change to a homeless guy for a sandwich and he bought drugs- thats not a scam
Lexander Morinex Caldari LDD Investments	Posted - 2009.01.08 18:42:00 - [15] Edited by: Lexander Morinex on 08/01/2009 18:43:21 Originally by: SiJira you havent met any men or a women over 40 who havent been scammed? it must have something to do with your profession or you classify scams very broadly like -i gave change to a homeless guy for a sandwich and he bought drugs- thats not a scam Actually, I do tend to classify it broadly. I do this mainly because the same scam that a homeless guy uses to buy drugs is the same basic scam used by the guy running the Ponzi scheme. Both are about exploiting the psychology of human beings. One is a trivial scam, and it works because people are willing to accept the loss of a couple of bucks. With enough people all willing to give away a dollar on the hope that THIS time it will be used correctly a lot of money appears. A lot of my views on this issue are shaped by my regular (involuntary) association with a professional con artist. The guy is a real pro, and in meeting him I have had the misfortune of watching him work. The irony is his scams are just as likely to be tiny ones as big ones. Both operate the same way. An example. His 'big scam' was running this deal was claiming to his ex-wife that he had $10,000,000 in stolen money being held by the feds. This scam was pretty elaborate, involving specific contact people, faxes of money orders, the whole deal. The entire purpose of this scam was to keep control of her by promising that if she stayed she would have nice things. In the meantime, she was bouncing gas checks so she could get to work and live in place that had cracks so big the ceiling was starting to cave in. His 'little scams' involve constant tiny little lies. Most of them are so trivial that it is sad to watch. Everything from claiming to need $10 he didn't need to promising to send something in the mail then not sending it. The steady corrosive effect of these little scams are enough to destroy the lives of anyone who has much exposure to him. This kind of regular exposure has greatly sharpened my skills at detecting this kind of thing. But I still know that at any moment a professional might manage to get a few of my dollars. I try to make it very hard for anybody to get a lot of my money. - Lexander
SiJira	Posted - 2009.01.08 18:47:00 - [16] Originally by: Lexander Morinex Actually, I do tend to classify it broadly. I do this mainly because the same scam that a homeless guy uses to buy drugs is the same basic scam used by the guy running the Ponzi scheme. Both are about exploiting the psychology of human beings. One is a trivial scam, and it works because people are willing to accept the loss of a couple of bucks. With enough people all willing to give away a dollar on the hope that THIS time it will be used correctly a lot of money appears. A lot of my views on this issue are shaped by my regular (involuntary) association with a professional con artist. The guy is a real pro, and in meeting him I have had the misfortune of watching him work. The irony is his scams are just as likely to be tiny ones as big ones. Both operate the same way. An example. His 'big scam' was running this deal was claiming to his ex-wife that he had $10,000,000 in stolen money being held by the feds. This scam was pretty elaborate, involving specific contact people, faxes of money orders, the whole deal. The entire purpose of this scam was to keep control of her by promising that if she stayed she would have nice things. In the meantime, she was bouncing gas checks so she could get to work and live in place that had cracks so big the ceiling was starting to cave in. His 'little scams' involve constant tiny little lies. Most of them are so trivial that it is sad to watch. Everything from claiming to need $10 he didn't need to promising to send something in the mail then not sending it. The steady corrosive effect of these little scams are enough to destroy the lives of anyone who has much exposure to him. This kind of regular exposure has greatly sharpened my skills at detecting this kind of thing. But I still know that at any moment a professional might manage to get a few of my dollars. I try to make it very hard for anybody to get a lot of my money. - Lexander regardless giving money to people with no expectation of anything is not getting scammed if its used differently than might be expected even so not even most people have been scammed at least once in their life - why you try to say everyone has or will is puzzling as - one it cant be proven and two i disagree - id say most people never have and never will be scammed Trashed sig, Shark was here
Vladimir Titov Minmatar Knights of the Minmatar Republic	Posted - 2009.01.08 18:48:00 - [17] I was running missions in my CNR when someone convoed me asking for isk. To be honest, I couldn't tell if this was a poor fellow asking for money or a polite ransom demand. So I err'd on the side of caution and handed over all the money I had at the time (25 mil). So sometimes its not that the person paying is naive, it could be that he doesn't want any trouble.
nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2009.01.08 18:53:00 - [18] This is why I never give any homeless person money. I will never give someone I don't know something for free. Like never donate to a starving tribe of people or people who need a well dug. Does it teach them to be self-sufficient? No. It just teaches them to be lazy, because someone will come along who's an idiot and throw money at them. Charity is a system for keeping lazy people lazy, weak people weak, and stupid people with money keeping smart, lazy people from getting jobs. Every empire in known history has fallen because they got soft. Charity is a road to weakness and failure. --------------------
Lexander Morinex Caldari LDD Investments	Posted - 2009.01.08 18:56:00 - [19] Edited by: Lexander Morinex on 08/01/2009 18:58:12 Originally by: SiJira regardless giving money to people with no expectation of anything is not getting scammed if its used differently than might be expected even so not even most people have been scammed at least once in their life - why you try to say everyone has or will is puzzling as - one it cant be proven and two i disagree - id say most people never have and never will be scammed As to the first point, I will agree to disagree. As to the second point, I will clarify. I have yet to meet anyone over 40 who I regularly contact and discuss with who hasn't been scammed by somebody. Usually it is a contractor who failed to do the job they promised, a friend they gave money to who used it for something other than what they promised. At the minimum, they have usually bought something that wasn't what was advertised, paid for a product that ended up defective and wasn't properly replaced. And if they have voted even once, they have usually been scammed by voting for the local bond issue that was promised to be used for something but ended up used for another. In my home state of Texas most people who buy lottery are scammed by the promise this is used to pay for education. It isn't, they simply budget X for education, allocate the lottery money for it, and then fill up the rest from the general fund. The kids don't get one penny more for education than they would have otherwise, and the end result is the lottery money is used to pay for all the other stuff. As for 'big scams', the most common one I see is people buying an IBO in one of they myriad MLM scams. I try as hard as I can to explain why that is a bad idea, but in many cases they need to experience it once for themselves. It is possible of course that I know someone who has never been scammed. I know a lot of people. But in most cases the probability of being scammed on something approaches 1 as people get older due to the constant possibility. - Lexander Morinex
Lexander Morinex Caldari LDD Investments	Posted - 2009.01.08 19:05:00 - [20] One point of clarification. A scam to me requires only that the scam artist act fraudulently. If someone sells me a defective product, that is not a scam. If they have a deliberate policy of promising to accept returns but knowingly try to avoid doing so, I call that a scam. So, the guy who takes a dollar from me and promises to use it for food but intends to use it for drugs is scamming me. It is a trivial scam, but a scam. - Lexander Morinex
SiJira	Posted - 2009.01.08 19:07:00 - [21] Originally by: Lexander Morinex One point of clarification. A scam to me requires only that the scam artist act fraudulently. If someone sells me a defective product, that is not a scam. If they have a deliberate policy of promising to accept returns but knowingly try to avoid doing so, I call that a scam. So, the guy who takes a dollar from me and promises to use it for food but intends to use it for drugs is scamming me. It is a trivial scam, but a scam. - Lexander Morinex give him food if you feel charitable then if he wants to sell it thats his problem Trashed sig, Shark was here

CCP Mitnal C C P CCP	Posted - 2009.01.08 19:07:00 - [22] Moved to Crime & Punishment. Mitnal Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Email

Goja Serio	Posted - 2009.01.08 19:26:00 - [23] I think scamming should be part of the game... However, CCP needs to put a system in place where scammer cannot just get away by deleting the char and create a new scammer char... Like in RL, you have to face possible consequences if you plan on scamming as a career... Where the thread of Crime & Punishment would make more useful... at this moment, one can scam millions and billions of isk from people... then delete the char and create a new one to repeat the scam again without facing possible risk of retaliation of their victims...
nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2009.01.08 19:59:00 - [24] Originally by: Goja Serio I think scamming should be part of the game... However, CCP needs to put a system in place where scammer cannot just get away by deleting the char and create a new scammer char... Like in RL, you have to face possible consequences if you plan on scamming as a career... Where the thread of Crime & Punishment would make more useful... at this moment, one can scam millions and billions of isk from people... then delete the char and create a new one to repeat the scam again without facing possible risk of retaliation of their victims... Account-wide nickname attached to all characters for that account. Trial accounts not being able to transfer ISK (not sure if they can now as it is).
Melichor Duraldi Gallente Fourth Circle Infinite Innovation	Posted - 2009.01.08 20:45:00 - [25] Originally by: Vladimir Titov I was running missions in my CNR when someone convoed me asking for isk. To be honest, I couldn't tell if this was a poor fellow asking for money or a polite ransom demand. So I err'd on the side of caution and handed over all the money I had at the time (25 mil). So sometimes its not that the person paying is naive, it could be that he doesn't want any trouble. grabs notebook And what system are you usually in?
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.	Posted - 2009.01.08 22:11:00 - [26] Bookmark scams was the best. * "WTS: BM's over region XYZ in 0.0, all gate and outpost instas! X mil!" * Money vired over. * Buyer checks bookmarks. WTF? This is all bookmarks to the noob start system! Priceless.
Forum Chav	Posted - 2009.01.09 01:34:00 - [27] sad. just, sad. from the t1ts who sit in jita all day long scamming and lagging the place out, to those who applaud the scammers. what a f***ed up world we all live in, and encourage. unreal. just, unreal.
Recon Three 181st Legion Malcula Templum	Posted - 2009.01.09 01:38:00 - [28] I got 0.10 ISK in Jita a few days ago because I said I had AIDS. Space may be a cold place but pod pilot hearts are still warm and toasty!
Forum Chav	Posted - 2009.01.09 02:14:00 - [29] Originally by: Recon Three I got 0.10 ISK in Jita a few days ago because I said I had AIDS. Space may be a cold place but pod pilot hearts are still warm and toasty! a perfect example of internet anonymity allowing anyone to say anything at anytime without fear of consequence. i'd say something stronger to you fella', but something tells me that that would just fuel your glee at soliciting a negative response that you could then trump with even more outrageous nastiness. so i won't. i'll just say that i hope you may have, at some point, regretted typing that.
Cinder's Angry Beavers with Frickin' Big Guns Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2009.01.09 02:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Midas Man Originally by: Feronia And to think most of it could be easily solved by not allowing to post contract links in local chat. Or more easily solved by (the scammed party) taking a preschool maths and reading course. THIS Angry Beavers with Frickin' Big Guns

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