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Jejju
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Posted - 2009.01.08 13:32:00 -
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I'd like to hear peoples' thoughts on how easily drones can kill an interceptor. The specific situation would be where an interceptor tackles a ratting battleship, with the aim of holding the BS until his gang arrives to kill it.
The BS will set its drones on the 'ceptor. The 'ceptor should orbit the BS within warp disruptor range and outside webber range and try to kill the drones. (I believe)
What kind of drones work best here? How effective are they? What kind of tactics can the ceptor pilot use?
Any input appreciated.
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Foulque
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Posted - 2009.01.08 13:36:00 -
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Warrior IIs.
Tactic -> Shoot them =]
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castraitory
Minmatar
AND THEN NO YOU
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Posted - 2009.01.08 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: castraitory on 08/01/2009 14:00:49
Stay aligned to a safe, Heavy Neut and warp would be quicker I think.
But your question would depend on the ratting battleship and skills.
If you tackled a dominix with max skills I think it would be close to if they would kill the ceptor b4 the gang warps in.
Any other Battleship and I would feel safe to takcle and survive until the gang warps in, But depends on so many factors.
Ceptor loss < Battleship loss.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.01.08 14:07:00 -
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Warrior II's work best against Interceptors, anything else is largely just too slow. Tactics for the 'Ceptor? disengaging I guess, or trying to use the MWD to boost you away from the drones to keep survivability up. Although that's debatable.
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.08 15:40:00 -
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A ceptor with blaster can melt the drones quickly, with missiles you might actually have enough time to drop a few of the drones while they come at you (locking time though...).
Keep the tackle and just focus on the drones. I you do some fancy moving...be sure not to drop your transversal...because the BS will be shooting at you just to get that lucky shot. |
RIP T'orn
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.08 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: RIP T''orn on 08/01/2009 19:39:39
 Originally by: Irida Mershkov
or trying to use the MWD to boost you away from the drones to keep survivability up. Although that's debatable.
And I will be the one to debate that. The MWD will boost your sig ratius, and that bs that's shooting at you, might just land a shot or two, which will cut through you like butter. |
Greek Dionysus
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Posted - 2009.01.08 20:14:00 -
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1 heavy nuet + Warrior IIs and if its a big enough done bay, some EC-300s.
Makes ceptors tear up and cry.
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Shin Chogan
Gallente
Blueprint Haus
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.01.09 11:41:00 -
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I was trying out my new Taranis last night with a corpmate. He was in a Raven and launched 2 Warrior II's and 3 ECM drones and while the ECM drones where a right pain in the backside the Warrior II's only hit me twice each in the space of 30 seconds for a total of 67.8 hp or about 2.3 dps. Now I suppose that if there were 5 of them instead of 2 that would make a massive 5.7 ish dps. I'd think that you'd be able to kill them off way before your tank is in danger.
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ry ry
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Posted - 2009.01.09 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 09/01/2009 16:42:00
how fast were you going?
warrior 2s are quick, but at lower skill levels they're not *that* quick and if they're only just keeping up with you, you won't take as much damage. |
FOl2TY8
Revolutionary United Front
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.09 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Chogan
I was trying out my new Taranis last night with a corpmate. He was in a Raven and launched 2 Warrior II's and 3 ECM drones and while the ECM drones where a right pain in the backside the Warrior II's only hit me twice each in the space of 30 seconds for a total of 67.8 hp or about 2.3 dps. Now I suppose that if there were 5 of them instead of 2 that would make a massive 5.7 ish dps. I'd think that you'd be able to kill them off way before your tank is in danger.
That's why I have a drone nav computer on my ratting domi. With my skills my warrior 2's hit 6500m/s and rip apart inties. |
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.01.09 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: RIP T'orn
Edited by: RIP T''orn on 08/01/2009 19:39:39
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
or trying to use the MWD to boost you away from the drones to keep survivability up. Although that's debatable.
And I will be the one to debate that. The MWD will boost your sig ratius, and that bs that's shooting at you, might just land a shot or two, which will cut through you like butter.
Yah that's the debatable part. 
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Brilf
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Posted - 2009.01.09 22:37:00 -
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Edited by: Brilf on 09/01/2009 22:38:51
Drone Interfacing V
Drone supports at IV
Killed a intercepter in 4 seconds flat with warrior IIs.
If you are an frig pilot and you see 5 warrior IIs... run away
edit: for clarification he had me tackled, orbiting with MWD on. Light drones are faster then everything but rigged & snaked ships |
Ghankis Khanid
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Posted - 2009.01.10 00:24:00 -
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The malediction makes short work of even warrior II's.. I lol when people launch them at me and they all pop in seconds. |
Kessiaan
Minmatar
Army of One
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Posted - 2009.01.10 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: Foulque
Warrior IIs.
Tactic -> Shoot them =]
This works against tackling inties waiting on their friends to show up and pilots who don't know what the hell they're doing, but good combat interceptor pilots usually have multiple tracking enhancers and will make short work of unsupported Warrior IIs.
Fortunately the solution is pretty easy - fit a tracking disruptor, and for crows just cycle the Warrior IIs through your drone bay to break the Crow's locks.
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
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Posted - 2009.01.12 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: RIP T'orn
Edited by: RIP T''orn on 08/01/2009 19:39:39
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
or trying to use the MWD to boost you away from the drones to keep survivability up. Although that's debatable.
And I will be the one to debate that. The MWD will boost your sig ratius, and that bs that's shooting at you, might just land a shot or two, which will cut through you like butter.
That's bordering on the inaccurate. Interceptors get a bonus (i.e. reduction) to the sig bloom from MWDs, so their signature radius will only be inflated by something like 150-200% instead of the usualy 500%. Even if this were not the case (lets say we're talking about an AF or Rifter instead), the MWD gives 500% increase in signature radius but an equivalent (or more likely due to Acceleration Control, greater) increase in speed. Because of the way the tracking formula works, these two cancel each other out - it is exactly as difficult to track and hit a 50m target doing 500m/s (transversal at a given range), as it is to hit a 300m target doing 3,000m/s (transversal at the same range). It's not simply a case of "increased sig = battleship guns can now hit you", they're subject to the same tracking formula as everything else.
So in many cases not only will the extra speed make it more difficult for the drones to keep up, but will make it slightly harder for turrets to track you, and probably make missiles do less damage, though you'd have to plug that into the new formula to find out. Battleship missiles don't have wrecking hits anyway so they're not a major concern. And it's always better for an interceptor to have its MWD on because of the bonus it gets.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Red Box.
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Posted - 2009.01.12 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ghankis Khanid
The malediction makes short work of even warrior II's.. I lol when people launch them at me and they all pop in seconds.
Well amarr t2 have nice resist on explosive, the other ceptors die very very quickly to well skilled Warrior IIs.
Hobo IIs might be actually fast enough to kill them, but I've never really tried as there are plenty of other ways to instapop a ceptor.
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Shin Chogan
Gallente
Blueprint Haus
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.01.12 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
Edited by: ry ry on 09/01/2009 16:42:00
how fast were you going?
warrior 2s are quick, but at lower skill levels they're not *that* quick and if they're only just keeping up with you, you won't take as much damage.
I was orbiting the raven at about 11km and my MWD was off so I was doing about 600m/s
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
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Posted - 2009.01.12 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Chogan
I was orbiting the raven at about 11km
You must have had a lot of faith that the Raven wouldn't be packing a web, to bet your ship on it...
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2009.01.12 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Chogan
Originally by: ry ry
Edited by: ry ry on 09/01/2009 16:42:00
how fast were you going?
warrior 2s are quick, but at lower skill levels they're not *that* quick and if they're only just keeping up with you, you won't take as much damage.
I was orbiting the raven at about 11km and my MWD was off so I was doing about 600m/s
Bad interceptor tactic.
Overheated web/faction web = you're webbed and dead.
You are also well within heavy neut range (24km T2 - 28km faction).
If you're a tackling interceptor you want to tackle as far away as possible. Your orbit speed is higher, and the ability to web you isn't a factor (unless its a Minmatar EWAR ship) - and you should be able to stay out of neut range.
You want to be going fast at all times in an interceptor - not having your MWD on means you've lost your only weapon - the ability to dictate range. |
Robert0288
Caldari
g guild
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.01.12 19:12:00 -
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many brix have been shat trying to solo tackle a dommy that had neuts. Thankfully I got a cycle off on the disruptor before being neuted, was able to then break off hit overheat and mash the MWD button untill I had enough cap to run like hell. By that time friendly claymore came and tackled him :)
For inty pilots warrior 2s /= death, especially if you pulse overheat on your mwd you can usually buy yourself 3-10 seconds of freedom per burst. What will kill you is the neuts/scrams on the ship, or when turning to run and losing your transversal advantage |
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Red Box.
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Posted - 2009.01.12 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous
Bad interceptor tactic.
Overheated web/faction web = you're webbed and dead.
Thats not true anymore, its more like 'you lol and mwd away' nowadays.
To keep up with a interceptor in a cruiser you need to double-web it as a minimum, and even then they could slip away. |
Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.13 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lilith Velkor
Originally by: Omarvelous
Bad interceptor tactic.
Overheated web/faction web = you're webbed and dead.
Thats not true anymore, its more like 'you lol and mwd away' nowadays.
To keep up with a interceptor in a cruiser you need to double-web it as a minimum, and even then they could slip away.
I was doing this with a friend and he couldn't keep me at bay with one web. I did manage to slip with dualwebs, but it wasn't really "ok, i can do this every single time" moment. If he had a neutralizer I would have been toast. Basically we found out that ceptor vs. cruiser and 1x web, I could still beat him to the structure :) 1xweb and missiles could work though. I had a taranis and he had a vexor and I could pop his warriors easily ( i had a neutron T2 fit, so i did good damage).
Just because you have one web doesn't mean it will save you if the ceptor comes under the webrange. With 2xweb it probably will save you, but it's not 100% ceptorkillmail though.
Web(1or2), neturalizer, warrior's and light missiles should screw up any ceptor pilot. Add a target painter and he will surely be dead. Of course what ship to use.... |
Yashiri
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Posted - 2009.01.13 17:38:00 -
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warrior II's, or any light drones for that matter, are dangerous to inties for as long as it takes to lock them and insta-pop them.
...which must be all of, what? 5 seconds max? never had a problem with them.
you need a lot of waves to do any good to be Honest.
warrior II's are good, but I think they're a bit over-rated. they can be dealt with by a skilled pilot. |
Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Red Box.
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Posted - 2009.01.13 19:18:00 -
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Really depends on the skill of the drone user, I've had fights where I could tank and kill a flight of warriors rather well, then again there were fights where a single wave almost instapopped me before I could properly lock them and I barely got away.
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Thorek Ironbrow
Caldari
Atomic Mexicans
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Posted - 2009.01.13 19:20:00 -
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Kite dem biotchas
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