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Benny Broadband Benny and the Jets Methods of Mayhem Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 21:28:00 - [1] I have been trading characters for over 2 years and have noticed this one simple fact. The cheaper the ISK sellers sell the isk for, the more ISK new players will spend on characters. One year ago, a 25 - 30 mil toon would sell for around 5 or 6 billion depending on how focused the skills where and what the toon could do. At that time the ISK spammers where selling ISK for about 80 bucks per billion. These days, I have seen 20 mil toons with shyte skills sell for 8 billion isk and just have to shake my head and wonder where the 5 day old toon that made the buy out offer ever got his isk. It is painfully obvious that this player has caved to the all time low ISK price's (as I am typing this I am watching spammer after banned spammer spam Hek local chat with isk offers as low as 24 bucks a bil, and 10% free with every order)and it is also obvious that he is a new player because he is willing to part with his isk for a toon that can't do anything, but he needs that toon because it has 19 million more points than his toon has and he thinks he will be UBERER when he gets this new toon and that he will pwn the guys that bait canned him. Character trading is definatley not what it used to be but it is a great time to get rid of low skill point toons that look good to newbs. You just have to realize that the toon your selling is probably being paid for with bought isk, and in some cases, the toon that you are buying was used to buy isk, or he was a macro miner. This is especially true if you think you are getting a great deal on a toon. Whenever I buy a toon I always check the wallet to see what kind of wallet activity has been going on. Anyway, before the wall gets any bigger I will close this rant. These are just my opinions and do not apply to all toon trades or toons......... Benny
Malar Velrom	Posted - 2009.01.08 21:39:00 - [2] oh?
Wameiri Rahai	Posted - 2009.01.08 21:43:00 - [3] Most of the people you believe to have bought isk probably gets it from GTC sales. Its sad, but true that 60 day GTC gets you 600 mil or more. When you see some people selling a decent quantity of GTC on the forums, they will turn and spend it on expensive in-game items or characters. No other reason to be selling so many GTCs.
TheSlackn3ss	Posted - 2009.01.08 21:48:00 - [4] well every body is over biding on a lot of characters lol which i buy and wait turn around an sell the char for profit thats how i make my isk but there some that do it illegally which make it look bad on those of us who dont but if people would quit over bidding and wait they would get the toon a lot cheaper there is no way a 5 mil sp char should go for 3 bil
MindSweeper Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2009.01.08 21:50:00 - [5] Well, selling a 10m sp char for 5b isk is just incredible. Congratz to those who are selling, shame on those that are buying at this weird price...but one must embrace the sad facts of the free market is that it is ruled by how much demand is for a certain commodity, and at the moment the demand for 10-30m chars in very high. Strangely enough the higher sp chars, the really valuable ones...not the 5-15m newborns are not selling that fast or for that crazy amount of isk. Guess GTC¦s and ebay can only net you so and so much isk Mind over matter
Nemicka	Posted - 2009.01.08 21:56:00 - [6] I agree 100% with this thread, i sold my original toon which i trained from scratch for 5bil. Now i did sell a little cheap (kicked my self for not researching before advertising) as i later realized at the accepted rate she would have easily gotten 6bil. However that was over a year ago when there were great toons out there to be had at decent prices, even profits to be made. So began my short lived reseller career (transfer fee,s and lack of decent toons has ended that). Having made my meager profits, i always made at least 1bil per toon and thought that was outstanding. So now i keep an eye on this forum in the hopes a nice toon at a decent price comes along. Sadly there mostly overpriced with **** names and greedy owners.
Hungo Minmatar Genesis Industries	Posted - 2009.01.08 22:02:00 - [7] go QQ sumone where else mate prices are what they are boo hoo
MindSweeper Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2009.01.08 22:05:00 - [8] Edited by: MindSweeper on 08/01/2009 22:05:33 Its a lovely day :)
Benny Broadband Benny and the Jets Methods of Mayhem Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 22:14:00 - [9] QQing I am not, I quietley made 8 billion in profit flipping toons over the last 3 weeks for a real cash outlay of 40 bucks, thats 4 bucks more than 1 x 60 day gtc would have cost me. I am actually quite happy, I was just telling it how I see it and capitalizing of a very legal way to make a pile of ISK. I am as unscupulos as any eve player. Eve-o-nomics 101. 60 day gtc's cost 35 bucks and sells for 600-700 mil. Wing Lows ISK shop sells 1 bil isk for 25 bucks and you know it is human nature to believe you wan't get caught if you buy some, even though it is completely illegal to do and getting busted is only a 1 in 10,0000 chance on a good day. Shame on CCP for letting this hapen to the game. Shame on CCP for not acting on this more diligently. And shame on you to the players who buy ISK, you have ruined the market of this game. PvP for your lootz and get 10% added EMO RAGE for pod kills
Alexandr Soljenitin Romanian Space Explorer	Posted - 2009.01.08 22:25:00 - [10] I totally agree with Benny... I still hope to be able to play Tycoon inside EVE one day but the current direction of the market is dissappointing. In Space Nobody Can Hear You Scream

FievelGoesPostal Gallente The Giant Squid Corp.	Posted - 2009.01.08 22:26:00 - [11] Look at it this way Benny ,the more noobs buying their isk, the more easily they are parted from their lootz in battle :) Making you and me richer in the end :)
Benny Broadband Benny and the Jets Methods of Mayhem Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 22:40:00 - [12] See Fievel, that's why we have your corp set to blue, we think alike
Doc Rehab	Posted - 2009.01.09 03:25:00 - [13] Truth
Rivur'Tam the united	Posted - 2009.01.09 04:02:00 - [14] /signed what i find funny is the comedy fits on 3 yo chars there is a reason it takes a long time to train in eve, nubs think that sp gets u kills, there right it gets real payers kills of them. these isk buyers need a kick in the arse. .. ...
Capt Sly	Posted - 2009.01.09 04:41:00 - [15] I disagree with the premise that all the "new" character money is from isk buyers. I have bought a few characters on this forum, myself or alts have anyway. I am a "noob", but I bought and sold GTC's to purchase them, as another poster said and was ignored. Sure, some of these characters are being purchased with "tainted" isk. Dunno what I can do about it, so I just try to profit within the framework of the game and CCP's rules. I have learned alot about what I want to train in characters from these one I purchased, and it has greatly enhanced my enjoyment of the game. I intend to buy and sell some more, but I hope I won't have to buy any more GTC's for that. I am pretty amazed by the big market in "starter characters", some of whom have been pretty poorly started.
Flossing	Posted - 2009.01.09 06:54:00 - [16] This Would only be the case if, as you assume everybody is buying characters with isk bought from spammers. This however is not true. There of course will be some people doing this, but im pretty sure its nowhere near as many as you suspect. The main reasons for character price increase is for the following reasons, The price of isk Value of GTC has roughly doubled in the last 6 months or so (mainly due to lack of sellers due to credit crunch). this means in real terms that the time spent developing a character has doubled in cost and thus means characters are worth more. So for instance a character used to be able to buy 2x90 day gtc for 700m. so a 6 month old character would be worth 700m + profit for development time and transfer fee and any other aspect that increases value. Now to train for 6 months you have to buy 3x60 day cards at a value of roughly 1800m so that increases the value of a 6 month old character by roughly 1.1 billion. Also as in all games of this type, the longer it runs the more money is in game, and the older the players the more wealth they accumalate(with or without isk sellers), This devalues the worth of the money, and generally increases prices of items.
Lorde Falcao Gallente M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.01.09 07:10:00 - [17] Its not that bad... Well i bought a 70mill sp char for 16bill and resold it when it had 81mill for 49bill ^^ so honestly deal with it there are these gtc *****s that love to buy " decent " chars with high sp's I dont complain. Char tradeing is giving a pretty neat income these days :)
Benny Broadband Benny and the Jets Methods of Mayhem Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.09 07:14:00 - [18] Originally by: Benny Broadband Anyway, before the wall gets any bigger I will close this rant. These are just my opinions and do not apply to all toon trades or toons......... Benny As I said, these opinions do not apply to all toon trades
Knobbing Everyone	Posted - 2009.01.09 13:35:00 - [19] Only toon I ever bought was made with isk I got from 0.0 ratting...was a freighter char, and have since turned the char in to a inventor and mission runner. Hoping to buy a dreadnaught pilot in the next few weeks, and can honestly say I haven't sold a GTC or bought a single isk. I mine in a nice -0.75 sec system with a Hulk and good infrastructure in place. 500mill isk profit on a weekend depending on PvP duties. Yes it's more work than GTC selling, but I understand the game mechanics and know exactly what I'm looking for in a pilot (hint: IT"S DAMN VERTICAL!!")
Sharra Savente Brotherhood of the Phoenix	Posted - 2009.01.09 17:36:00 - [20] Originally by: Flossing The main reasons for character price increase is for the following reasons, So for instance a character used to be able to buy 2x90 day gtc for 700m. so a 6 month old character would be worth 700m + profit for development time and transfer fee and any other aspect that increases value. Now to train for 6 months you have to buy 3x60 day cards at a value of roughly 1800m so that increases the value of a 6 month old character by roughly 1.1 billion. You left out ghost training. People would buy 30 day cards (which is why they had crappier isk/value ratios) then set a long skill training. This made it alot cheaper to skill chars for selling. ____ English doesn't borrow from other languages; it follows other languages down dark alleys, coshes 'em, then rummages in their pockets for loose bits of grammar.



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