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Rob Mattacks	Posted - 2004.07.25 10:00:00 - [1] Edited by: Rob Mattacks on 25/07/2004 10:02:36 Hi all, have taken a break for last few weeks for various reasons, one being racial hatred between the devs and Minmatar . The Tempest and 1400mm's are not the ship/guns they were - fact. I tested a bit after patch with a corp mate in his mega (i have higher skills both had 2 damage mods) and he was virtually getting as good hits with 425mm rails as my 1400's at various ranges but obviously he had the better ROF. Since then havn't been on but was thinking to give it another go and train mega. At least then one of the ships may be good at any one time . It is annoying and kinda ruins it for me to change race of ships cos you can't roleplay in a rpg and when other races ships do it better (with exception of frigs then you need to change. Now - got that off my chest.. I would just like to ask mega pilots how is it handling in NPC and PvP since recent changes ? How are rails and blasters doing etc ? thanks
Rob Mattacks	Posted - 2004.07.25 10:00:00 - [2] Edited by: Rob Mattacks on 25/07/2004 10:02:36 Hi all, have taken a break for last few weeks for various reasons, one being racial hatred between the devs and Minmatar . The Tempest and 1400mm's are not the ship/guns they were - fact. I tested a bit after patch with a corp mate in his mega (i have higher skills both had 2 damage mods) and he was virtually getting as good hits with 425mm rails as my 1400's at various ranges but obviously he had the better ROF. Since then havn't been on but was thinking to give it another go and train mega. At least then one of the ships may be good at any one time . It is annoying and kinda ruins it for me to change race of ships cos you can't roleplay in a rpg and when other races ships do it better (with exception of frigs then you need to change. Now - got that off my chest.. I would just like to ask mega pilots how is it handling in NPC and PvP since recent changes ? How are rails and blasters doing etc ? thanks
Shin Taka	Posted - 2004.07.25 10:08:00 - [3] Edited by: Shin Taka on 25/07/2004 10:13:04 I've gotta agree that the tempest has fallen from grace, It can't sheild tank well anymore, and the 1400mm don't hit well at all, But i've been having some success using 4x1200mm and a T2 tracking comp with armour tanking, probably due to the fact I can take an ungodly beating more than anything else. The 1200mm hit cruisers until they get within 35km, unless transversal =~0, but hit BSs down to 10km with ease. The biggest beef is that my damage is well down, cos of the 1200mm, the RoF is a little better, but it takes a while to kill anything. The 4xCruise launchers seem to be forming more of my offense than anything else. Currently training Amarr cruiser 4..... :( ----------- Keeper of the Wombat 2004.09.03 00:42:20notifyTraining of the skill Repair Systems lvl 6 has been completed.
Shin Taka	Posted - 2004.07.25 10:08:00 - [4] Edited by: Shin Taka on 25/07/2004 10:13:04 I've gotta agree that the tempest has fallen from grace, It can't sheild tank well anymore, and the 1400mm don't hit well at all, But i've been having some success using 4x1200mm and a T2 tracking comp with armour tanking, probably due to the fact I can take an ungodly beating more than anything else. The 1200mm hit cruisers until they get within 35km, unless transversal =~0, but hit BSs down to 10km with ease. The biggest beef is that my damage is well down, cos of the 1200mm, the RoF is a little better, but it takes a while to kill anything. The 4xCruise launchers seem to be forming more of my offense than anything else. Currently training Amarr cruiser 4..... :( ----------- Keeper of the Wombat 2004.09.03 00:42:20notifyTraining of the skill Repair Systems lvl 6 has been completed.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.25 10:41:00 - [5] Megathron comes only second in the NPC stakes - Armageddon pwns all. As for PvP, Megathron got jerked off by the MWD/sig. radius so now I just armour-tank the bejsus out of it with 6 425mm's and some neuts/smartbombs. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.25 10:41:00 - [6] Megathron comes only second in the NPC stakes - Armageddon pwns all. As for PvP, Megathron got jerked off by the MWD/sig. radius so now I just armour-tank the bejsus out of it with 6 425mm's and some neuts/smartbombs. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Liquid Metal	Posted - 2004.07.25 11:22:00 - [7] My megathron handles pretty much all NPC's with ease, once you get the gunnery skills up for it, its a very nice ship :) "A strong man stands tall against all others, everything else is just a delusion for the weak.."
Liquid Metal	Posted - 2004.07.25 11:22:00 - [8] My megathron handles pretty much all NPC's with ease, once you get the gunnery skills up for it, its a very nice ship :) "A strong man stands tall against all others, everything else is just a delusion for the weak.."
darth solo	Posted - 2004.07.25 13:29:00 - [9] I WISH THEY WOULD JUST STOP MESSING WITH STUFF, MAKES ME MAD. one day its this ship, this module, this tactic, next day its something else... i cant be arsed with all the changes, i would rather have stability, and more content...
darth solo	Posted - 2004.07.25 13:29:00 - [10] I WISH THEY WOULD JUST STOP MESSING WITH STUFF, MAKES ME MAD. one day its this ship, this module, this tactic, next day its something else... i cant be arsed with all the changes, i would rather have stability, and more content...
Rob Mattacks	Posted - 2004.07.25 14:36:00 - [11] I have about 2.5 mill skill points in gunnery but no hybrid skills yet, probably take me about a month to get gallente bs and large hybrid to level 4 like i have large projectile and minnie bs - frustrating to say the least and feels like losing a month but what ya gonna do..... Probably my luck that they fix the Tempest if i train another
Rob Mattacks	Posted - 2004.07.25 14:36:00 - [12] I have about 2.5 mill skill points in gunnery but no hybrid skills yet, probably take me about a month to get gallente bs and large hybrid to level 4 like i have large projectile and minnie bs - frustrating to say the least and feels like losing a month but what ya gonna do..... Probably my luck that they fix the Tempest if i train another
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.25 14:43:00 - [13] Originally by: Rob Mattacks I have about 2.5 mill skill points in gunnery but no hybrid skills yet, probably take me about a month to get gallente bs and large hybrid to level 4 like i have large projectile and minnie bs - frustrating to say the least and feels like losing a month but what ya gonna do..... Probably my luck that they fix the Tempest if i train another to be honest, by the time you train up mega skills and stuff, the Tempest is likely to be back in fashion. I'd hold your horses and wait it out LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.25 14:43:00 - [14] Originally by: Rob Mattacks I have about 2.5 mill skill points in gunnery but no hybrid skills yet, probably take me about a month to get gallente bs and large hybrid to level 4 like i have large projectile and minnie bs - frustrating to say the least and feels like losing a month but what ya gonna do..... Probably my luck that they fix the Tempest if i train another to be honest, by the time you train up mega skills and stuff, the Tempest is likely to be back in fashion. I'd hold your horses and wait it out LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.07.25 21:10:00 - [15] I agree with Josh. If I hadnt already had Caldari BS lvl2 I wouldnt have gone for a Raven besides my Mega anyway. And I'm still not training Amarr no matter how ³ber ccp makes em, damn stinkers _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.07.25 21:10:00 - [16] I agree with Josh. If I hadnt already had Caldari BS lvl2 I wouldnt have gone for a Raven besides my Mega anyway. And I'm still not training Amarr no matter how ³ber ccp makes em, damn stinkers _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.25 21:18:00 - [17] Take it from me, I've trained up Minmatar, Caldari, and Gallente BS to at least lvl 4 but I'm wishing I'd stuck to Gall/Caldari. Training up all the Minmatar skills wasted time - I could've had L Hybrid 5 or Gallente 5 in that time. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.25 21:18:00 - [18] Take it from me, I've trained up Minmatar, Caldari, and Gallente BS to at least lvl 4 but I'm wishing I'd stuck to Gall/Caldari. Training up all the Minmatar skills wasted time - I could've had L Hybrid 5 or Gallente 5 in that time. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Xelios	Posted - 2004.07.25 21:30:00 - [19] Quote: I WISH THEY WOULD JUST STOP MESSING WITH STUFF, MAKES ME MAD. one day its this ship, this module, this tactic, next day its something else... i cant be arsed with all the changes, i would rather have stability, and more content... And Oveur wonders why people aren't specializing their skills.
Xelios	Posted - 2004.07.25 21:30:00 - [20] Quote: I WISH THEY WOULD JUST STOP MESSING WITH STUFF, MAKES ME MAD. one day its this ship, this module, this tactic, next day its something else... i cant be arsed with all the changes, i would rather have stability, and more content... And Oveur wonders why people aren't specializing their skills.
Guilbert	Posted - 2004.07.25 21:56:00 - [21] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Megathron comes only second in the NPC stakes - Armageddon pwns all. well also in pvp had to learn that on the hard way.. me n some corp fellows got raped by some moo guys. they had 2 armageddon and one raven and we had 2 tempest and 1 raven.. the armageddon took down armor tanked tempest in like 10-15 seconds doin 400 dmg in a high RoF.. never saw that kinda dmg output before... well not since castor well i guess it can be uber fitted.. probably load the lowslots with dmg mods... Mess with the best.. ..and die like the rest
Guilbert	Posted - 2004.07.25 21:56:00 - [22] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Megathron comes only second in the NPC stakes - Armageddon pwns all. well also in pvp had to learn that on the hard way.. me n some corp fellows got raped by some moo guys. they had 2 armageddon and one raven and we had 2 tempest and 1 raven.. the armageddon took down armor tanked tempest in like 10-15 seconds doin 400 dmg in a high RoF.. never saw that kinda dmg output before... well not since castor well i guess it can be uber fitted.. probably load the lowslots with dmg mods... Mess with the best.. ..and die like the rest
Jazz Bo	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:42:00 - [23] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Take it from me, I've trained up Minmatar, Caldari, and Gallente BS to at least lvl 4 but I'm wishing I'd stuck to Gall/Caldari. Training up all the Minmatar skills wasted time - I could've had L Hybrid 5 or Gallente 5 in that time. The Tempest still makes a good close range ship though, from what I've seen. But the Wheel of Nerf is really annoying... and the reason I'm training all BS and Large Turret skills to 4 before I start any level 5s. Originally by: DB Preacher Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
Jazz Bo	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:42:00 - [24] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Take it from me, I've trained up Minmatar, Caldari, and Gallente BS to at least lvl 4 but I'm wishing I'd stuck to Gall/Caldari. Training up all the Minmatar skills wasted time - I could've had L Hybrid 5 or Gallente 5 in that time. The Tempest still makes a good close range ship though, from what I've seen. But the Wheel of Nerf is really annoying... and the reason I'm training all BS and Large Turret skills to 4 before I start any level 5s. Originally by: DB Preacher Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
Meridius	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:46:00 - [25] Originally by: darth solo I WISH THEY WOULD JUST STOP MESSING WITH STUFF, MAKES ME MAD. one day its this ship, this module, this tactic, next day its something else... i cant be arsed with all the changes, i would rather have stability, and more content... I agree 110% dude, these changes are ridiculous. They need to learn how to make small changes. They are constantly changing the game to suit the whims of those who cry nerf instead of focusing on a singular goal. If i'm wrong and they really are trying to zero in on that balanced goal there striving for; i'd have to say they have failed several times over. IE. Drones are now being totally revamped which will bring more weeks of bugs and other **** up things for us paying players**. All they had to do was get rid of the infinite range bug, thats it I hope it all works out. ________________________________________________________
Meridius	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:46:00 - [26] Originally by: darth solo I WISH THEY WOULD JUST STOP MESSING WITH STUFF, MAKES ME MAD. one day its this ship, this module, this tactic, next day its something else... i cant be arsed with all the changes, i would rather have stability, and more content... I agree 110% dude, these changes are ridiculous. They need to learn how to make small changes. They are constantly changing the game to suit the whims of those who cry nerf instead of focusing on a singular goal. If i'm wrong and they really are trying to zero in on that balanced goal there striving for; i'd have to say they have failed several times over. IE. Drones are now being totally revamped which will bring more weeks of bugs and other **** up things for us paying players**. All they had to do was get rid of the infinite range bug, thats it I hope it all works out. ________________________________________________________
Celticjim	Posted - 2004.07.26 00:12:00 - [27] Rob...not much pvp experience anymore, but stick with your original ship is my opinion. Seems as though all MMORPG's affect/change/alter ship stats and weapons etc, but they all become flavour of the month at some time. If you were testing out with HS, then just adapt your playstyle with the Tempest. From what I have read, the 1400's have been adjusted back up again, and maybe you can become more the outward gunner ship as opposed to down and dirty fighter. Let the others come in close, and you just do the incessant pounding from afar. Or...try the difft outlays from armour tank/800's - maybe these guns have been given a little bit o lovin. Basically, just stick with the Tempest, the pendulum will swing back at some time. Cheers CJ
Celticjim	Posted - 2004.07.26 00:12:00 - [28] Rob...not much pvp experience anymore, but stick with your original ship is my opinion. Seems as though all MMORPG's affect/change/alter ship stats and weapons etc, but they all become flavour of the month at some time. If you were testing out with HS, then just adapt your playstyle with the Tempest. From what I have read, the 1400's have been adjusted back up again, and maybe you can become more the outward gunner ship as opposed to down and dirty fighter. Let the others come in close, and you just do the incessant pounding from afar. Or...try the difft outlays from armour tank/800's - maybe these guns have been given a little bit o lovin. Basically, just stick with the Tempest, the pendulum will swing back at some time. Cheers CJ
Gilbert Drillerson	Posted - 2004.07.26 01:48:00 - [29] Well Rob, my take on this is either stay with the Tempest and hope that CCP makes it a better ship or get a Raven or as a second choice an Apoc. Megathron is outtanked by both of those and since Tomb's massacre on the hybrid guns tracking and damage, the difference isnt that big in damage output. I live in deep space Angel territory and the only ships that can npc alone here, are Ravens and some Apoc's. The Megathron is screwed by the fact that hybrids suck cap leaving the megathron with even worse tanking than the Tempest. When NPC'ing this means death sooner or later. SO if you are going to get another race, I strongly suggest that you get a raven or to a lesser degree an apoc. None of the good PVP'ers in my corp uses megathron anymore, they fly Raven/Scorp or Apoc. I can only fly gallente Batteships, I have 1 mill skill points in gunnery out of a meager 6.5 mill total, and I know I have to train another race if I wanna do PVP or serious NPC.... it just annoys the hell out of me that I could NPC with my ship before the changes to guns and Cap-relays.... with half as many skillpoints.
Gilbert Drillerson	Posted - 2004.07.26 01:48:00 - [30] Well Rob, my take on this is either stay with the Tempest and hope that CCP makes it a better ship or get a Raven or as a second choice an Apoc. Megathron is outtanked by both of those and since Tomb's massacre on the hybrid guns tracking and damage, the difference isnt that big in damage output. I live in deep space Angel territory and the only ships that can npc alone here, are Ravens and some Apoc's. The Megathron is screwed by the fact that hybrids suck cap leaving the megathron with even worse tanking than the Tempest. When NPC'ing this means death sooner or later. SO if you are going to get another race, I strongly suggest that you get a raven or to a lesser degree an apoc. None of the good PVP'ers in my corp uses megathron anymore, they fly Raven/Scorp or Apoc. I can only fly gallente Batteships, I have 1 mill skill points in gunnery out of a meager 6.5 mill total, and I know I have to train another race if I wanna do PVP or serious NPC.... it just annoys the hell out of me that I could NPC with my ship before the changes to guns and Cap-relays.... with half as many skillpoints.

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