Originally by: Ovno ConSyquence

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The problems...

No trade through lowsec.
Constant forum whining about suicide ganking.
No way to defend others from attack because all buffing modules work after the fact.

A solution?

Modules to allow players to defend other players.

Such as

A damage transfer module, allowing you to absorb the damage done to another player, until you get popped of course.

A remote resistance booster, allowing you to boost the resistances of another player, by reducing your own.

A remote shield and armour reenforcer module, allowing you to up the shield or armour hp of another player, by reducing you own.

A remote sig radius reducer, allowing you to decrease the sig radius of a another player making them harder to hit, at the expense of increasing your own

A remote sensor blocker, allowing you to make another player harder to lock at the expense of making you easier to lock.

A remote warp core stab, allowing you to increase the warp core strength of another player while at the same time preventing yourself from warping for 30 seconds or so.


With these simple tools industrials and the like could hire wingmen to protect them when carrying valuable cargo through suicide ganking hot spots or even through lowsec making piracy more interesting, creating a new career of escort (not that kind ) and enabling traders to utilise profitable dangerous trade routes.

Obviously these mods would have to stake properly even when used by multiple escorts to prevent abuse.

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Originally by: Ovno ConSyquence

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Edited by: Ovno ConSyquence on 09/01/2009 09:49:53
Well of course being invisible is very handy but for larger loads its impractical and also by doing this you encourge players to deal with piracy rather then just hiding and whining to ccp for a fix.

Edit...

As for jamming the escorts, great already tactics which counter the counter, just what eve is about.

But in the case of a suicide gank you'd need to suicide jam the escort in order to suicide gank the hauler, and you'd also need to know which of the many ships at jita 4-4 was doing the escorting.

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Originally by: Mikal Drey

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hey hey

there are already tools like this ingame and alot better than you suggested.

Gang links, Leadership skills, Shield Transporters

Remote repping isnt a criminal act either so you have added security there.

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Originally by: Clone 1

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To be taken seriously you must first know what you are talking about. Next.

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Originally by: Ovno ConSyquence

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Well there are a few but ather than a few percentage points from leadership skills they don't really provide any preemptive protection which is what is really needed to prevent a hauler getting one shotted with an alpha strike

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these really need to be mods which if used on a ship gimp the pilot using them to seriously increase the defenses of another pilot.

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Originally by: clone 1

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To be taken seriously you must first know what you are talking about.

Next.

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Originally by: Ovno ConSyquence

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The problems...

No trade through lowsec.
Constant forum whining about suicide ganking.
No way to defend others from attack because all buffing modules work after the fact.

A solution?

Modules to allow players to defend other players.

Such as

A damage transfer module, allowing you to absorb the damage done to another player, until you get popped of course.

A remote resistance booster, allowing you to boost the resistances of another player, by reducing your own.

A remote shield and armour reenforcer module, allowing you to up the shield or armour hp of another player, by reducing you own.

A remote sig radius reducer, allowing you to decrease the sig radius of a another player making them harder to hit, at the expense of increasing your own

A remote sensor blocker, allowing you to make another player harder to lock at the expense of making you easier to lock.

A remote warp core stab, allowing you to increase the warp core strength of another player while at the same time preventing yourself from warping for 30 seconds or so.


With these simple tools industrials and the like could hire wingmen to protect them when carrying valuable cargo through suicide ganking hot spots or even through lowsec making piracy more interesting, creating a new career of escort (not that kind ) and enabling traders to utilise profitable dangerous trade routes.

Obviously these mods would have to stake properly even when used by multiple escorts to prevent abuse.

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Originally by: Ovno ConSyquence

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Well there are a few but ather than a few percentage points from leadership skills they don't really provide any preemptive protection which is what is really needed to prevent a hauler getting one shotted with an alpha strike, these really need to be mods which if used on a ship gimp the pilot using them to seriously increase the defenses of another pilot.

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Originally by: Clone 1

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To be taken seriously you must first know what you are talking about. Next.

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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue

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Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 09/01/2009 10:29:26
I'm not too keen on most of OPs ideas, since they would effect a ton of things in the game. Haulers are cheap and weak ships and they should pop pretty easily. If you make modules that can keep a hauler alive in a gank, think what people could do in general PvP. Random forum whines from people, that don't put any effort in learning the game, should be taken with a grain of salt. The game can't be made ****** proof and CCP shouldn't try. Remember that most of the whines come from people, that would propably not bother to use a convoy system either.

I am all for some kind of convoy mechanism though, but I don't have any good ideas what kind of mechanism that could be. I have some ideas, but after thinking about them they have a huge potential of being overpowered in other situations. And I hear haulers don't tank well. So would all this effort be worth it in the first place?

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Originally by: ry ry

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like remote shield, armour and hull reps you mean?

genius.

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Originally by: Brayiel

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There is an escort role, jump in a squad of tanked battlecruisers/battleships etc. kill all hostiles on gate camp, jump second squad of transport ships through That's what escorts do, make sure the way is clear

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Originally by: Tzar'rim

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What, you mean you need more than scouting, a bit of effort and non-afk playing?

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Originally by: ry ry

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Originally by: Ovno ConSyquence

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No way to defend others from attack because all buffing modules work after the fact.

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like remote shield, armour and hull reps you mean?

genius.

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Originally by: ry ry

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Edited by: ry ry on 09/01/2009 10:31:58

also, i have a large stack of pithii b-type small shield transfers no f*cker wants.

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Originally by: Venkul Mul

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The remote reppers are useful only after the damage is done and are slow

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Originally by: Ovno ConSyquence

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Really the idea i'm trying to get across is that we need some way to sacrifice ourselves to save our mates cus as it is at the moment if you want to kill someone who has a fleet with him all you need to do is get everyone to primary the target which doesn't exactly lead to the most diverse of tactical situations... (lock primary, shoot primary, lock primary, shoot primary, try and wait out agression timer so you can jump out of combat)

And ty SentryRaven something like what you suggested could make this work even better, but of course it would all need to be balanced well.

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