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Skye Aldaris	Posted - 2009.01.10 08:27:00 - [1] Am I missing something? This ship makes no sense to me. 2 high slots - So it can only Cloak and Scan, Scan and Cyno, Cyno and Cloak - But never all three? And the frigate bonus - +50% thermal damage to it's ONE drone? Additional hybrid damage for it's negative 1 turrets? How are the frigate bonuses supposed to be utilized? Are the frigate bonuses just to make me cry? What's going on with this ship? Should I start training Caldari or Amarr frigates? :\ Not a QQ thread - I'm just confused and disapointed.
NoNah	Posted - 2009.01.10 08:36:00 - [2] Originally by: Skye Aldaris Am I missing something? This ship makes no sense to me. 2 high slots - So it can only Cloak and Scan, Scan and Cyno, Cyno and Cloak - But never all three? And the frigate bonus - +50% thermal damage to it's ONE drone? Additional hybrid damage for it's negative 1 turrets? How are the frigate bonuses supposed to be utilized? Are the frigate bonuses just to make me cry? What's going on with this ship? Should I start training Caldari or Amarr frigates? :\ Not a QQ thread - I'm just confused and disapointed. Well, you could argue for a multitude of modules to be fit on it. Cloak, recon probe launcher, scan probe launcher, salvager and cyno being the typical ones. Yes, 2 highs are weaker than 3, but imho it's not really that big of a deal - the look of the ship is worse then. Maybe it's just me being a poor nublet, but to me it's rare with situations where I will need both a probe launcher, cloak and cyno where a recon is not simply better apt for it. As for the bonus all covert ops have a pointless bonus, and this is most certainly also the reason the rest of them get a third highslot. Anathema and buzzard gets one and two missile bonuses, cheetah get 2 projectile. Obviously never to be used which means they get a free highslot. You get a drone bay instead. Why they get the bonuses? Well, all t2 ships get 4 bonuses, these are really just placefillers.(And yes AF's would be the exception, but they still SHOW 4 bonuses in the description so meh)
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.01.10 08:37:00 - [3] If you're shooting something (other than a logged off pod, but your single drone can do that just fine) with a covops, you're doing something wrong. The Helios is kind of screwed over by the fact that it can't fit cloak/probe/cyno like the others, but just ignore the damage bonuses.
Skye Aldaris	Posted - 2009.01.10 08:45:00 - [4] Yeah, I thought about it a bit - And after reading the replies to this thread, I guess it's not a big deal, and it could be worse (maybe). So I've done some calculations, and discovered that I could get in any other race's covert ops (and therefore E-attack as well) and it'd only take 3 more days. So now I'm even more confused. Suggestions?
NoNah	Posted - 2009.01.10 09:10:00 - [5] Originally by: Skye Aldaris Yeah, I thought about it a bit - And after reading the replies to this thread, I guess it's not a big deal, and it could be worse (maybe). So I've done some calculations, and discovered that I could get in any other race's covert ops (and therefore E-attack as well) and it'd only take 3 more days. So now I'm even more confused. Suggestions? Disregard covert ops and stealthbombers and go by what af, intie and eas you like. I'd say it's a toss up races got better and weaker ships and it's all pretty balanced. Just depends on what you want to do. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 980846
Helen The Tetragrammaton Council	Posted - 2009.01.10 09:21:00 - [6] Combat Helios is overpowered.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.01.10 09:57:00 - [7] COMBAT HELIOS IS AWESOME www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com
arbalesttom Rulers Of Mankind	Posted - 2009.01.10 10:00:00 - [8] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa COMBAT HELIOS IS AWESOME *Sig*
Krystal Demishy	Posted - 2009.01.10 10:34:00 - [9] Boost helios ffs.
Tulisin Dragonflame	Posted - 2009.01.10 18:28:00 - [10] Originally by: Krystal Demishy Boost helios ffs. Seconded!

Reten Kip Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.01.10 18:44:00 - [11] Originally by: Tulisin Dragonflame Originally by: Krystal Demishy Boost helios ffs. Seconded! By giving it the old skin back.
Zhilia Mann	Posted - 2009.01.10 18:47:00 - [12] Originally by: Reten Kip Originally by: Tulisin Dragonflame Originally by: Krystal Demishy Boost helios ffs. Seconded! By giving it the old skin back. QFT. They seriously screwed the pooch on that one. I don't even loathe the new skin the way some people do, but it still doesn't hold a candle to the old one.
Gabriel Virtus Cassandra's Light Caeruleum Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.10 20:56:00 - [13] give the helios the third high slot. I wouldn't worry about the +drone thermal damage. Frankly, if you are fighting in a helios you already did something wrong. No only did CCP make the helios hideous, they then thought it would be great for the covert ops to be the only covert ops that doesn't have a 3rd high slot. There is no reason why this should be the case, absolutely none. -GV
gpfault Haunted House	Posted - 2009.01.13 13:26:00 - [14] Helios needs: +2 high -2 mid +1 turret And most importantly: swap malus and imicus hulls (who the f**k flies a malus anyway?) If it's got two damage bonuses we might as well use them
Skye Aldaris Aegri Somnia Corp manufacturing disaster	Posted - 2009.01.13 13:40:00 - [15] Originally by: gpfault Helios needs: +2 high -2 mid +1 turret And most importantly: swap malus and imicus hulls (who the f**k flies a malus anyway?) If it's got two damage bonuses we might as well use them I'd be completely pleased with one more high, and 10m3 more dronespace! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx We were born to live, But we were taught to die. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Skye Aldaris Aegri Somnia Corp manufacturing disaster	Posted - 2009.01.13 13:41:00 - [16] Originally by: gpfault Helios needs: +2 high -2 mid +1 turret And most importantly: swap malus and imicus hulls (who the f**k flies a malus anyway?) If it's got two damage bonuses we might as well use them I'd be completely pleased with one more high, and 10m3 more dronespace! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx We were born to live, But we were taught to die. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Skye Aldaris Aegri Somnia Corp manufacturing disaster	Posted - 2009.01.13 13:46:00 - [17] Edited by: Skye Aldaris on 13/01/2009 13:46:41 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx We were born to live, But we were taught to die. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Davina Braben	Posted - 2009.01.13 14:19:00 - [18] Originally by: Skye Aldaris Edited by: Skye Aldaris on 13/01/2009 13:47:01
Skye Aldaris Aegri Somnia Corp manufacturing disaster	Posted - 2009.01.13 14:42:00 - [19] Originally by: Davina Braben Originally by: Skye Aldaris Edited by: Skye Aldaris on 13/01/2009 13:47:01 http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr134/spm1138/beeranissmaller.gif xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx We were born to live, But we were taught to die. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Kitty McKitty Gallente The Kitty Kitty Corporation	Posted - 2009.01.13 15:43:00 - [20] I fit it with damps to lock down while the cavalry arrive. Thats usually why you see a Helios on Killboard. What's one extra high going to do for it? add 20dps? As far as the cov-ops go the Helios is the easiest to fit without any fitting mods. The others are a pain without cov-ops V.

Skye Aldaris Aegri Somnia Corp manufacturing disaster	Posted - 2009.01.13 15:57:00 - [21] Originally by: Kitty McKitty I fit it with damps to lock down while the cavalry arrive. Thats usually why you see a Helios on Killboard. What's one extra high going to do for it? add 20dps? As far as the cov-ops go the Helios is the easiest to fit without any fitting mods. The others are a pain without cov-ops V. The extra high is for fitting Cyno/Scan/Cloak or a salvager. Guns on a helios?! Madness! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx We were born to live, But we were taught to die. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
tweaky boson Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.01.13 16:08:00 - [22] Originally by: Kitty McKitty As far as the cov-ops go the Helios is the easiest to fit without any fitting mods. The others are a pain without cov-ops V. The feline one speaketh the truth. While the bonuses are wtf, Helios has the best power grid, which allows this fugly slow abberation to fit 2 damps. Good for assisting the gang, kb whoring, or just lulz.
gpfault Haunted House	Posted - 2009.01.13 17:39:00 - [23] Originally by: tweaky boson The feline one speaketh the truth. While the bonuses are wtf, Helios has the best power grid, which allows this fugly slow abberation to fit 2 damps. Good for assisting the gang, kb whoring, or just lulz. Slow? Nanos go in the lows since 99% of the time you'll be cloaked and can't use an AD/MWD mod.
Rennion	Posted - 2009.01.13 17:58:00 - [24] The 2 highs is not such a big deal at the moment. However it is going to seriously cripple it in the "worth flying" stakes if covert cyno and blackops mechanics get reworked to be usefull in eve combat. Then you really are going to be in a situation of cloak+probe+cyno or gtfo.
Kitty McKitty Gallente The Kitty Kitty Corporation	Posted - 2009.01.14 11:45:00 - [25] Originally by: Skye Aldaris Originally by: Kitty McKitty I fit it with damps to lock down while the cavalry arrive. Thats usually why you see a Helios on Killboard. What's one extra high going to do for it? add 20dps? As far as the cov-ops go the Helios is the easiest to fit without any fitting mods. The others are a pain without cov-ops V. The extra high is for fitting Cyno/Scan/Cloak or a salvager. Guns on a helios?! Madness! I never said to fit a gun. I said using a set of damps will get you on a killboard. That and your one drone of course. and re the speed, definitely put nano's or isabs in lows. I mean what else are you going to fit? Damage control so it lasts more than half a volley and almost a whole one? I trained up for the Cheetah just to optimise a bit of extra speed but the fitting req's were disappointing. Recons and cov-ops are my absolute favourite ships btw. Scouting, scanning, sneaking, infiltrating are far more satisfying than the actual combat these days. Finding targets or safe routes for your gang earns a lot of respect :D
Ottersmacker 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.01.14 11:57:00 - [26] Originally by: Gabriel Virtus No only did CCP make the helios hideous It's beneficial as a reminder - if you see horror, you have forgotten to cloak up.
Neddy Fox Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.01.14 12:28:00 - [27] Edited by: Neddy Fox on 14/01/2009 12:29:21 Why say it has good PG ? You CANNOT fit : -Covop cyno -Covop Cloak -1MD MWD Edit : I'll correct myself. [Helios, cyno] Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Inertia Stabilizers II Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Warp Disruptor II [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Covert Cynosural Field Generator I Ancillary Current Router I Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I ---- [PXIN Recruiter] PXIN Recruitement thread
Misina Arlath Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.14 14:39:00 - [28] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa COMBAT HELIOS IS AWESOME Hobgoblin II Damage done: 2,021 (49%) Hilarious :) -------------------------------------------------- "Every complex problem has a solution which is easy, neat and wrong!"
Kitty McKitty Gallente The Kitty Kitty Corporation	Posted - 2009.01.14 15:16:00 - [29] Originally by: Misina Arlath Originally by: Siigari Kitawa COMBAT HELIOS IS AWESOME Hobgoblin II Damage done: 2,021 (49%) Hilarious :) At 30dps max that must have taken a while :D
Moon Dogg Gallente The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.14 15:57:00 - [30] Edited by: Moon Dogg on 14/01/2009 15:58:06 http://www.morsus-mihi.net/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=155232 The combat Helios has its uses...



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