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TimGascoigne The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.12 21:41:00 - [31] Micheal Dietrich what is it you are trying to dispute the camp is well known and not a secret. Its not like anybody has taped it.
7shining7one7 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.01.12 21:48:00 - [32] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 12/01/2009 21:50:52 Originally by: TimGascoigne Micheal Dietrich what is it you are trying to dispute the camp is well known and not a secret. Its not like anybody has taped it. i told him about it over a year ago, he's just trolling to add some humor to it (if you google or youtube it those vids and many other vids and articles and such are one of the first things that pop up, there's not even an unrelated link in the first 5 google pages, so don't doubt that michael can find it when he googles it hehe), i think that's the reason most ppl troll these kinds of discussions because they are not so fun to think about.. and i can definately understand that. some go a bit overboard with the trolling but the general trolling is all and well.. and a perfectly natural reaction to cope with the information..
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.12 22:48:00 - [33] Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 12/01/2009 22:55:41 Originally by: TimGascoigne Micheal Dietrich what is it you are trying to dispute the camp is well known and not a secret. Its not like anybody has taped it. That's really cool and all but if I recall Moloch was a humanoid with the head of a bull. Doesn't really fit the description of the owl. Lilith sometimes appears as an owl though but she's the goddess of dark storms, bearing down disease and famine. BUT they mentioned Pagan rituals, in which Lilith is not a part of, but rather Athene, the goddess of knowledge who resided over Athens. Now on to the mention of pagan rituals. Pagan and Satanism are 2 entirely different things which again contradicts what many CT's rabble off. Several pagan rituals do include the burning of a effigy to ward off evil spirits, not invite them into the house (all hallow eve really isn't about going door to door dressed as a power ranger and receiving insane amounts of sugar). What powerful people do in their off time is not my concern. Religion and knowledge of the cult though is a fun hobby, you outta look into it. Edit: And I'm even more disappointed that polka mentions bohemian grove but fails on the free masons who are widely sought after by many of his kind.
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.13 00:28:00 - [34] My great grandfather was a free mason. And no he never participated in a conspiracy or sacrificed goats or whatever it is people think they do. They were pretty boring.
7shining7one7 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.01.13 00:28:00 - [35] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 12/01/2009 22:55:41 Originally by: TimGascoigne Micheal Dietrich what is it you are trying to dispute the camp is well known and not a secret. Its not like anybody has taped it. That's really cool and all but if I recall Moloch was a humanoid with the head of a bull. Doesn't really fit the description of the owl. Lilith sometimes appears as an owl though but she's the goddess of dark storms, bearing down disease and famine. BUT they mentioned Pagan rituals, in which Lilith is not a part of, but rather Athene, the goddess of knowledge who resided over Athens. Now on to the mention of pagan rituals. Pagan and Satanism are 2 entirely different things which again contradicts what many CT's rabble off. Several pagan rituals do include the burning of a effigy to ward off evil spirits, not invite them into the house (all hallow eve really isn't about going door to door dressed as a power ranger and receiving insane amounts of sugar). What powerful people do in their off time is not my concern. Religion and knowledge of the cult though is a fun hobby, you outta look into it. Edit: And I'm even more disappointed that polka mentions bohemian grove but fails on the free masons who are widely sought after by many of his kind. moloch/molech is a synonym for baal, and moloch/molech was indeed depicted as an owl and not as a bull, in the cult of molech/baal (basically what you know today as satanism) they sacrificed little children to it in the hope of rewards.
7shining7one7 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.01.13 00:31:00 - [36] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 13/01/2009 00:33:27 Originally by: Rondo Gunn My great grandfather was a free mason. And no he never participated in a conspiracy or sacrificed goats or whatever it is people think they do. They were pretty boring. I'm not surprised, he was probably a good and decent man, as are most freemasons. "The great strength of our Order lies in its concealment; let it never appear in any place in its own name, but always covered by another name, and another occupation. None is better than the three lower degrees of Free Masonry; the public is accustomed to it, expects little from it, and therefore takes little notice of it. Next to this, the form of a learned or literary society is best suited to our purpose, and had Free Masonry not existed, this cover would have been employed; and it may be much more than a cover, it may be a powerful engine in our hands. By establishing reading societies, and subscription libraries, and taking these under our direction, and supplying them through our labours, we may turn the public mind which way we will." - Adam Weishaupt, founder of the Illuminati in John Robison's Proofs of a Conspiracy, 1793."
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.13 00:34:00 - [37] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Originally by: Rondo Gunn My great grandfather was a free mason. And no he never participated in a conspiracy or sacrificed goats or whatever it is people think they do. They were pretty boring. i'm not surprised, he was probably a good and decent man man. A nice guy all round. Now, I don't know about the rest of them...
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.13 00:54:00 - [38] Originally by: 7shining7one7 moloch/molech is a synonym for baal, and moloch/molech was indeed depicted as an owl and not as a bull, in the cult of molech/baal (basically what you know today as satanism) they sacrificed little children to it in the hope of rewards. Nope sorry, Moloch was a humanoid with a bulls head (calf actually). Quote: It was represented by a brazen statue, which was hollow and capable of being heated, and formed with a bull's head, and arms stretched out to receive the children to be sacrificed
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2009.01.13 02:23:00 - [39] Originally by: Elron Hubward Freemasonry isn't free. Sure it is, you just need some masonry tools and some rocks but I guess that's the overhead expenses you meant. Delenda est achura.
7shining7one7 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.01.13 06:52:00 - [40] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 13/01/2009 06:56:15 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich .. linkage ssdd..
Taradis Amarr The Imperial Assassins	Posted - 2009.01.13 10:48:00 - [41] Would Southern Baptists count ooooo and those people that speak in tounges and wut bout those jehovas witnesses door ta door religion sales.... Ne one who lives in the southern US would know wut i mean. /me has jehovas witnesses knockin on the door every week... No i will not convert to ur tom foolery beliefs that I do not believe in, in ne way shape or form
JordanParey Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.01.13 11:55:00 - [42] Originally by: Taradis Would Southern Baptists count ooooo and those people that speak in tounges and wut bout those jehovas witnesses door ta door religion sales.... Ne one who lives in the southern US would know wut i mean. /me has jehovas witnesses knockin on the door every week... No i will not convert to ur tom foolery beliefs that I do not believe in, in ne way shape or form the best way to get these people to go away is to blast heavy metal or screamo music while they are walking up to your door. They just turn right around and go to the next house
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.13 14:41:00 - [43] Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 13/01/2009 15:18:46 Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 13/01/2009 15:18:06 Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 13/01/2009 14:42:45 Originally by: 7shining7one7 Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 13/01/2009 06:56:15 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich .. linkage ssdd.. What a sad world you guys live in. adding lines to make pentagrams, and badly angled ones at that. Adding lines that simply go into the water and partially over a road? Theres nothing out there. Changing past deamons to suit your need. 'Hey bill, we need something evil and scary that will make people think, and it needs to look like an owl.' 'I know, we'll use Moloch' 'But he's a bull' 'Don't worry, the crazies will only use our website instead of actually looking for themselves!' I mean **, they had the picture of moloch right there and were trying to claim the owl is in the belly of the beast. Horse, god, wake up man. Oh yeah, I was really, really bored last night at work and already checked out the owl on the $1 bill using one of our high powered microscopes, considering that posted image is ** and I can get 10 times better clarity. I guess if you warp reality enough it could look like an owl. Looked more like a line, a line, and a dot to me though. Course I think it's as funny as Novus Ordo Seclorium, new order order...wait, that's Novus Ordo Mundi. I also found a dog and a Cthulhu on the bill while I was at it. What? It got fun looking for scary images. I'm sorry Shining, I can't help but laugh at how much moloch is on that website. (see what I there) Edit: One last thing I remembered on the way to work. The pentagram is a symbol of many things. When the symbol is right side up it is a symbol of protection with the top pointed towards the heavens, as it is the symbol of wisdom and divinity. When the symbol is turned down the 2 top points are the sign of the devils horns attacking heaven. In another culture the symbols represented Air, Earth, Water, Fire, and Divinity. So what you just showed me was 2 symbols of protection although the one connected to the white house is broken by those buildings and would not work.
Polkageist Minmatar No Limit Productions OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.13 15:37:00 - [44] if moloch is an owl or a bull i dont really care... I just try to introduce people to these superinfluential societies, and i dont really get why people use hours to try to make people talking about these societies look like idiots. Maybe some people trying to speak their voice have not the whole picture, but instead of condemning those individuals, try to explore this occultism yourself...
Polkageist Minmatar No Limit Productions OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.13 15:39:00 - [45] Originally by: Rondo Gunn My great grandfather was a free mason. And no he never participated in a conspiracy or sacrificed goats or whatever it is people think they do. They were pretty boring. yeah luckily most freemasons are good and honest people... But its amazing the influence these societies have had, and is gaining while i type.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.13 15:49:00 - [46] Originally by: Polkageist if moloch is an owl or a bull i dont really care... You kinda should care. You see, if you tell people that moloch is an owl and they show that your sources are wrong then it reduces your credibility for convincing people. You would like your facts to match up wouldn't you? Moloch, Owl, Moloch, Owl. See how different they look? And you talk about us spending hours discrediting you and yet you spend hours trying to 'enlighten' us, it's a 2 way door my friend.
Polkageist Minmatar No Limit Productions OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.13 16:06:00 - [47] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Polkageist if moloch is an owl or a bull i dont really care... You kinda should care. You see, if you tell people that moloch is an owl and they show that your sources are wrong then it reduces your credibility for convincing people. You would like your facts to match up wouldn't you? Moloch, Owl, Moloch, Owl. See how different they look? And you talk about us spending hours discrediting you and yet you spend hours trying to 'enlighten' us, it's a 2 way door my friend. Yeah, tahts why i dont tell people the name of the Owl... cause if they call it Moloch and people say "hey thats a bull" then it can discredit some other truth. But to believe that you suddenly starts caring for the truth is just too naive.
Polkageist Minmatar No Limit Productions OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.13 16:08:00 - [48] Originally by: TimGascoigne Micheal Dietrich what is it you are trying to dispute the camp is well known and not a secret. Its not like anybody has taped it. but hey, look at these great things. its an owl in bohemian grove, not a bull. whatever they call it let that be up to the bomemians hsall we???
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.13 16:10:00 - [49] Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 13/01/2009 16:12:13 Originally by: Polkageist Yeah, that's why i don't tell people the name of the Owl... cause if they call it Moloch and people say "hey that's a bull" then it can discredit some other truth. But to believe that you suddenly starts caring for the truth is just too naive. Unfortunately many of the sights that are used to tell 'the truth', including several linked here in this thread, states the owl is Moloch which means we now have multiple versions of 'the truth'. Out of the 3 posters of the truth in this thread, who do I believe?
Polkageist Minmatar No Limit Productions OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.13 16:14:00 - [50] afaik Moloch is just a term for a false god, it doesnt matter if its a bull, an owl or a cat... You can call em all Moloch if you worship them as gods.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.13 16:20:00 - [51] /sigh Quote: Collin de Plancy (1863) (paraphrased) Moloch was the god of the Ammonites, portrayed as a bronze statue with a calf's head adorned with a royal crown and seated on a throne. His arms were extended to receive the child victims sacrificed to him. Milton wrote that Moloch was a frightening and terrible demon covered with mothers' tears and children's blood. Rabbis claim that in the famous statue of Moloch, there were seven kinds of cabinets. The first was for flour, the second for turtle doves, the third for an ewe, the fourth for a ram, the fifth for a calf, the sixth for a beef, and the seventh for a child. It is because of this, Moloch is associated with Mithras and his seven mysterious gates with seven chambers. When a child was sacrificed to Moloch, a fire was lit inside the statue. The priests would then beat loudly on drums and other objects so that the cries would not be heard.
Polkageist Minmatar No Limit Productions OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.13 16:23:00 - [52] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich /sigh Quote: Collin de Plancy (1863) (paraphrased) Moloch was the god of the Ammonites, portrayed as a bronze statue with a calf's head adorned with a royal crown and seated on a throne. His arms were extended to receive the child victims sacrificed to him. Milton wrote that Moloch was a frightening and terrible demon covered with mothers' tears and children's blood. Rabbis claim that in the famous statue of Moloch, there were seven kinds of cabinets. The first was for flour, the second for turtle doves, the third for an ewe, the fourth for a ram, the fifth for a calf, the sixth for a beef, and the seventh for a child. It is because of this, Moloch is associated with Mithras and his seven mysterious gates with seven chambers. When a child was sacrificed to Moloch, a fire was lit inside the statue. The priests would then beat loudly on drums and other objects so that the cries would not be heard. ok so tats the quote to say that Bohemian grove doesnt exists, 9/11 wasnt an inside job, illuminati never existed, conspiracys doesnt happen on our planet, bla bla bla. Your a payed off lowlife. You want me to find a quote that says different?
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.13 16:41:00 - [53] Originally by: Polkageist ok so thats the quote to say that Bohemian grove doesn't exists, 9/11 wasn't an inside job, Illuminati never existed, conspiracy's doesn't happen on our planet, bla bla bla. Your a payed off lowlife. You want me to find a quote that says different? The hell? What lines are you reading in between? I just quoted that Moloch is a Bull and not a Owl and you go all rageconspiracy on me. I'm not talking about the Illuminati or conspiracies right now, I'm pointing out that you guys ****ed up on your daemons.
Locus Bey Gallente The Graduates	Posted - 2009.01.13 20:18:00 - [54] The power of the Illuminati exists in the fact that they don't exist anymore, but every conspiracist would love that they do. Why let truth get in the way of a good story? The idea of a secret society seeking and plotting world domination is just to juicy. Skull and Bones is just a bunch of rich frat boys. But then again I see George Bush jnr was a member AND of Bohemian Grove You think he was one of the people serviced by the p***star?
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.13 20:29:00 - [55] George Bush Jr. gets around almost as much as his daughters do OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Taradis Amarr The Imperial Assassins	Posted - 2009.01.14 05:11:00 - [56] Originally by: JordanParey Originally by: Taradis Would Southern Baptists count ooooo and those people that speak in tounges and wut bout those jehovas witnesses door ta door religion sales.... Ne one who lives in the southern US would know wut i mean. /me has jehovas witnesses knockin on the door every week... No i will not convert to ur tom foolery beliefs that I do not believe in, in ne way shape or form the best way to get these people to go away is to blast heavy metal or screamo music while they are walking up to your door. They just turn right around and go to the next house oooooo gonna have to do that got loads of cradle of filth, cannibal corpse ects....... screamo not muh thing they all sounds like they have there balls in a vice grip.......

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