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Aten Hau
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Posted - 2009.01.11 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: Aten Hau on 11/01/2009 15:07:55
Edited by: Aten Hau on 11/01/2009 15:04:54
EFT says Lv 5 only ups my light drone DPS by 6 points? (for 5 active drones on one target)
A corp mate told me that DI lv 5 showed next to no difference next to LV 4. I guess I am just a bit surprised being that the difference between 1,2 and 3 was very noticeable for everyone I spoke to.
What gives?
At level 4 is it more about drone sharpshooting or something in order to make my drone "kill faster"?
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Violet Lady
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2009.01.11 15:36:00 -
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6 points doesn't mean anything. How much is the PERCENTAGE increase over the damage with Drone Interfacing IV? If it is +6% percent and I have misunderstood you, it is nothing to scuff at. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.11 15:59:00 -
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You already have an *1.8 damage multiplier from DI4. That is replaced by *2.0 at DI5.
The relative increase is just +11.11% instead of the "expected" +20%.
It still is +20%, compared to base... but not compared to previous damage levels.
And it's not like this is anything special, all damage-related skills work like this. |
Acrel
Amarr
makaveli Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.11 17:17:00 -
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Most IV to V skills arnt going to show much of a differance. Usually the only reason to train to V is either if you wanna maximize or its a prereq for another skill. |
Aten Hau
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Posted - 2009.01.11 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: Aten Hau on 11/01/2009 17:33:42
Thx.
I am still a bit confused though.
DI LV 5 is in essence a +100% bonus from base damage is it not? If warrior II's hit at 15 DPS (with damage mod) then should it not be 30 DPS at DI LV 5?
And thus 120 DPS on target if you are using 4 warrior II's? MY EFT is telling me its less.
I know this is a noobish question, but I am still at a bit of a loss
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Deva Blackfire
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2009.01.11 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 11/01/2009 17:47:02
Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 11/01/2009 17:46:24
not in game to check calculations but:
warrior II DPS:
damage modifier*(1+spec skill lv*0,02)*(1+combat drone op*0,05)*(1+drone interfacing*0,2) divided by ROF (4 seconds i think).
And no way 4 warriors deal 120 dps. IIRC 5 hobgoblins t2 (maxskilled) deal just tad below 100dps.
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Slammin Sally
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Posted - 2009.01.11 17:47:00 -
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Negative..
I'm pretty sure it's:
First Level = Base + Base*.2
Second Level = First + First*.2
Third Level = Second + Second*.2
and so on, which is different.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.11 18:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Slammin Sally
Negative..
I'm pretty sure it's:
First Level = Base + Base*.2
Second Level = First + First*.2
Third Level = Second + Second*.2
and so on, which is different.
Well, that's wrong.
Drone Interfacing gives a 100% boost of base damage at level V, however as Akita T explained the last 20% from level 4 to level 5 is effectively only an 11% increase. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.11 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 11/01/2009 18:44:36
Originally by: Aten Hau
If warrior II's hit at 15 DPS (with damage mod) then should it not be 30 DPS at DI LV 5?
Except the fact Warrior IIs hit at 15 explosive damage * 1.56 damage mod / 4 seconds = 5.85 explosive DPS at no skills.
5.85 * 1.25 (combat drone op 5) * 1.1 (minmatar drone spec 5) * 2 (drone interfacing 5) = 16.0875 DPS at max skills on a ship with no drone damage bonuses.
Compare that to a reasonable skillset (CDO, MDS, DI all at 4 not at 5), or 5.85 * 1.2 * 1.08 * 1.8 = 13.64688 DPS.
So, yeah, from just 4x Warrior IIs, from "all L4" to "all L5" skills, between them there's only a tiny 4*(16.0875-13.64688) = 9.76248 DPS difference.
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Kessiaan
Minmatar
Army of One
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Posted - 2009.01.12 03:52:00 -
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Edited by: Kessiaan on 12/01/2009 03:53:13
I want to know what damage mod he's talking about that improves light scout drone damage.
Anyway, if you do the math like Akita is showing you'll see it all makes sense. DI V is a big time investment but if you're a frequent drone user that last little bit makes a huge difference. Remember that DI, CDO, drone spec skills, and ship drone bonuses stack multiplicatively with each other, and 11% is a lot even if the raw numbers don't look like much - 6 extra DPS to a frigate, especially the kind of frigates you need warrior IIs to catch, does make a difference. |
Daveion Steel
Deep Core High-Tech
Sleepless Knights Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.12 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Slammin Sally
Negative..
I'm pretty sure it's:
First Level = Base + Base*.2
Second Level = First + First*.2
Third Level = Second + Second*.2
and so on, which is different.
Well, that's wrong.
Drone Interfacing gives a 100% boost of base damage at level V, however as Akita T explained the last 20% from level 4 to level 5 is effectively only an 11% increase.
Well I do prefer the KIS approach, and that is simply put as...
Base we can agree is equal to '1'
Level 1 gives 20% to base so that = 20%
Level 2 gives an aditional 20% =40%
etc......
Level 5 is a total of 100% of base. 100% of 1 = 1. so 1+1 is 2
Your damage modifier for DI at 5 is now equal to '2'
that as simple as it needs to be imo.
anything more complicated than that takes to much explaining.
D...
ps KIS = keep it simple
Pass that Ammerfore mate,
Whats an ammerfore,
its for banging in nails you bl**dy d**kfa.
Whats a d**kfa?
Omfg
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The Cursed2
Peace Through Power
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Posted - 2009.01.13 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kessiaan
Edited by: Kessiaan on 12/01/2009 03:53:13
I want to know what damage mod he's talking about that improves light scout drone damage.
Anyway, if you do the math like Akita is showing you'll see it all makes sense. DI V is a big time investment but if you're a frequent drone user that last little bit makes a huge difference. Remember that DI, CDO, drone spec skills, and ship drone bonuses stack multiplicatively with each other, and 11% is a lot even if the raw numbers don't look like much - 6 extra DPS to a frigate, especially the kind of frigates you need warrior IIs to catch, does make a difference.
unless he's talking about tracking mods, the only reasonable answer would be answered in your own post "... and ship drone bonuses..."
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