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Tok Nar
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Posted - 2009.01.12 00:17:00 -
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Hi there,
I'm confused about which situation loses reaction cycles and why. Which of the following situations is a possible reaction cycle loss if you offline/online SILO1 in between POS ticks :
1) SILO1 -> Coupling -> Reaction -> SILO2
2) SILO1 -> Reaction -> Coupling -> SILO2
3) SILO2 -> Coupling -> Reaction -> SILO1
4) SILO2 -> Reaction -> Coupling -> SILO1
Especially situation 3 shouldn't cause cycle losses right if you online it again before it ticks? Or does it always take 1 cycle to properly online a silo again.
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Irish Blend
Caldari
10045th Logistics Battalion
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Posted - 2009.01.12 01:22:00 -
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A coupler and a silo function less horizontal and more vertical
Silo A
reaction
coupler
Silo B
If Silo B is online, the materials flow down into Silo B from the coupler. If not, they stay in the coupler till it fills up. You won't miss anything. It makes great sense to have two silos on the output for complex reactions.
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Tok Nar
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Posted - 2009.01.12 09:15:00 -
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Well my problem isn't that I don't understand the working of Silos (and couplings are just that ofcourse) but where I can leave out a coupling and lose no or as few as possible cycles. I dont have the cpu for the last coupling array so I either have to remove the one between the complex reaction and it's silo, or between the input and the reactor.
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Agor Dirdonen
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Posted - 2009.01.12 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: Agor Dirdonen on 12/01/2009 11:10:16
Situation 2) and Situation 3) can cause you a loss if you offline SILO1 at a 'bad' moment. If you pay attention to the moment you offline and online it again, you never have any losses.
Losses can occur when a silo/coupling is not online when the reactor either dumps it's result or needs new material for his next cycle (which happens at the 'ticks'). When you offline/online inbetween ticks, you don't have losses.
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Agor Dirdonen
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Posted - 2009.01.12 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Agor Dirdonen on 12/01/2009 12:56:07
 Originally by: Tok Nar
Well my problem isn't that I don't understand the working of Silos (and couplings are just that ofcourse) but where I can leave out a coupling and lose no or as few as possible cycles. I dont have the cpu for the last coupling array so I either have to remove the one between the complex reaction and it's silo, or between the input and the reactor.
Depending on the situation, you can sometimes replace one silo by two couplings.
It gives a huge reduction in storage capability although it's workable and you gain on CPU for other stuff.
Managing the POS becomes more of a daily or two-daily activity so after a while, it starts to feel like 'work'. It all depends on how that extra CPU is needed 
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nemmes
Celestial Ascension
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Posted - 2009.01.12 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tok Nar
Hi there,
I'm confused about which situation loses reaction cycles and why. Which of the following situations is a possible reaction cycle loss if you offline/online SILO1 in between POS ticks :
1) SILO1 -> Coupling -> Reaction -> SILO2... LOSS, assuming a harvester ->silo 1
2) SILO1 -> Reaction -> Coupling -> SILO2... LOSS, assuming a harvester ->silo 1
3) SILO2 -> Coupling -> Reaction -> SILO1... No loss. coupling handles it
4) SILO2 -> Reaction -> Coupling -> SILO1... No loss. coupling handles it
Especially situation 3 shouldn't cause cycle losses right if you online it again before it ticks?
Or does it always take 1 cycle to properly online a silo again. ...NO (10minutes?)
It should be pretty easy to offline and re-online any given silo in the time between ticks, but for best efficiency, keep couples on each stage. Either that or keep a list of POS/Moon, tick time.
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Tok Nar
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Posted - 2009.01.12 15:01:00 -
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oh okay. so if you time it well there's never an issue, did not know that. THanks all!
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Tandin
The Knights Templar
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.01.12 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tok Nar
oh okay. so if you time it well there's never an issue, did not know that. THanks all!
Essentially, you only lose a cycle if you offline a silo in the 5-10 minutes leading up to the next cycle dumping into it or pulling from it. The whole chain has to be online when the cycle finishes/initiates so the material flows into and out of the reactor. For this reason, timing it to fall outside that 10 minute window is pretty easy.
I say 10 min because it takes a few minutes to online the silo after it pull stuff out or dump stuff in.
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