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Caldari
Koln united
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Posted - 2009.01.15 23:50:00 -
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 Carriers have a "ok" role, they are supose to be on the battlefiled doing logistcs, they can tank "ok" for a ship that cost's 1bil isk. And can stil do what it's supose to do eg: Help with repping, killing off support and stil have a ok chance of survival.
Moterships have the same role, but they dont do it any bether then what a carrier can do, they can tank the same as a carrier(nyx/chimera). a bitt more chance at survival and killing suport since they are normaly officer\dedspace fitted.
Other then that there is no real difrence?
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kidrob
Full Contact
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Posted - 2009.01.16 07:05:00 -
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Edited by: kidrob on 16/01/2009 07:10:26
I would make MS immune to Dictor-bubbles - only a HIC should be able to lock them down!
Since "everyone" can fly a Dread and every "normal" 0.0 fleet has truckloads of Dictors in gang (and titans who bridge them with ease) MS are toast as soon as they are spoted nowadays!
This is the biggest reason for all the "whine" and discussions here and why most ppl think they need a boost as i think!?
What would this effect?
-> More fun for the pilots flying it in 0.0/at a POS/whatever
-> Can "stay in a fight" till the "last minute" without shi*ing pants and deal damage/support till the bitter end
-> Still no "win-button" and a big change to get pinned down and killed -> This would also "balance" the HIC and the "web-problem" since all webs lost their max range (20km max atm with best officer) and HIC's bubbling up to 30kms!
-> Bonuses, prices, resis etc etc can stay how they are atm and CCP doesnt have to "fix" the whole "MS-concept"
Rob o/
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Caffeine Junkie
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2009.01.16 13:39:00 -
[63]
 Originally by: kidrob
I would make MS immune to Dictor-bubbles - only a HIC should be able to lock them down!
If anything, that should be the other way around.
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Rejected Enlightenment
Guiding Hand Social Club
Otherworld Empire Productions
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Posted - 2009.01.17 07:39:00 -
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Hey guys, I hear comparing DPS tanks on supercapitals against normal caps is an equal and fair comparison that leaves out no important or even minor detail about how they operate differently.
Basically, aside from maybe 4 people, nobody here has flown a supercap, which is why the majority of the ideas in this thread are plainly idiotic. |
Gimora
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.17 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: Rejected Enlightenment
Hey guys, I hear comparing DPS tanks on supercapitals against normal caps is an equal and fair comparison that leaves out no important or even minor detail about how they operate differently.
Basically, aside from maybe 4 people, nobody here has flown a supercap, which is why the majority of the ideas in this thread are plainly idiotic.
IF you see how many different chars have posted here(maby 6) i whuld say that is 80% of the total posters here. so almost all of them...
And yeah they don't really operate differently anymore, after hic/dictors they are the same.
Moms really need something to sett it apart from Carriers now.
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Miss Kemtar
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Posted - 2009.01.17 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Caffeine Junkie
Originally by: Miss Kemtar
Make MS a carebear platform... 
Just lol!
Still... Could someone fill the blank here?
Carrier = To repair capital size stuff
Dread = To kill capital size stuff
Titan = The ultimate capital size weapon
Mothership = ???? |
Gimora
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.18 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Caffeine Junkie
Originally by: kidrob
I would make MS immune to Dictor-bubbles - only a HIC should be able to lock them down!
If anything, that should be the other way around.
This will make them stupidly overpowered in low sec, but this Nerfed mom's in low sec.
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kidrob
Corp 1 Allstars
PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.01.19 06:32:00 -
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Edited by: kidrob on 19/01/2009 06:32:29
Originally by: Gimora
This will make them stupidly overpowered in low sec, but this Nerfed mom's in low sec.
Makes no sense but if you mean "overpowered in 0.0" then your wrong: Since HICs are ig there are no more MS in lowsec smartbombing and stuff like that and a ton of death Supercaps in lowsec - as you said but it will be the same in 0.0!
So why should it not work in 0.0 where truckloads of ppl fly them and where they are really hard to kill (as i explained already ("new" webs, titanbridges, lag etc)!?
PS: My MS got already hotdropped in 0.0 and "HIC/Dic-bridged" and since that iam really really carefully and know what iam talking about (only a failplaced cyno and lag saved me)...
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.01.19 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rejected Enlightenment
Hey guys, I hear comparing DPS tanks on supercapitals against normal caps is an equal and fair comparison that leaves out no important or even minor detail about how they operate differently.
Basically, aside from maybe 4 people, nobody here has flown a supercap, which is why the majority of the ideas in this thread are plainly idiotic.
What he said. And even then, I tried thinking of a way to fix them and none of my ideas sound reasonable. |
coeathal vega
Gallente
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.19 10:37:00 -
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MS nowadays are mostly a.. a). primary target b). pimp personal ship garage c). isk sink... |
Tractory
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Posted - 2009.01.19 10:49:00 -
[71]
I dont know about changing carriers functionality, i would like to see them prioritize a fix for the dissapearing module bug that seems to rear its ugly head everytime i change out of ships in my maintenance bay more than once or twice. Nothing more annoying than having to log out and back in a few minutes later if you want to see / use any of the modules.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.01.19 10:57:00 -
[72]
Originally by: coeathal vega
MS nowadays are mostly a.. a). primary target b). pimp personal ship garage c). isk sink...
WTS wyvern :( |
kidrob
Corp 1 Allstars
PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.01.21 06:45:00 -
[73]
Any more comments to my suggestion with the bubbles and MS?
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Viper ShizzIe
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.21 09:34:00 -
[74]
Originally by: kidrob
Any more comments to my suggestion with the bubbles and MS?
It's **** and you obviously have little understanding of the way the game actually works.
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kidrob
Corp 1 Allstars
PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.01.21 09:47:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Viper ****zIe
Originally by: kidrob
Any more comments to my suggestion with the bubbles and MS?
It's **** and you obviously have little understanding of the way the game actually works.
As you a PL member i know you dont know anything else but dude! wtf! Go and smack someone else!
Lets keep it serious so lets discuss and not behave like a monkey!
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Tronjay the'3rd
Caldari
Phantasmal Collective
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.21 10:37:00 -
[76]
07 Signed.
CSM please take note in your upcomming meeting with CCP
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Kathula Yarr
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Posted - 2009.01.21 16:04:00 -
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As for the mom debate im saying nothin as i know nothin, regarding carriers a few mentioned fighter ideas, t2 mods and proximity defences.
-t2capmods and capital variations of mods would keep everyone happy and introduce diversity of fit and tactics, along with the usual problems for a while of course.
-Fighter variations are due too,particularly the sentry style, existing combat and utility drones would probably remain the most versatile option to carriers for drone diversity(vs smaller stuff) after new ones were introduced anyway imo.
-As for proximity defences, someone mentioned lightmissile or equivelant weopons x8 as standard, this is a spot on idea, what kind of combat/logistic vessel designer would omit the ability to at least repel a few incoming bogeys, how many naval carriers in RL have no gun batteries?? before anyone yells 'smartbombs dufus!' i say meh 
with the nature of eve the majority of above will happen eventually, its just a matter of when imo. then who can winge the loudest oc
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.01.21 16:30:00 -
[78]
Supercapitals are not meant to be cost effective. CCP clearly stated this. That said, Moms are much hard to kill, have about twice the damage of an average carrier, are immune to damps and ECM and can fit remote ECM bursts. They have its advantages.
About bomber fighters, no we don't need more power to capitals, thank you.
What I would like to see is a new non capital class ship, heavy bombers, which would have good mobility, no tank but pack enough dps to be a threat to capitals, like having a cruiser sig radius and sieged dread damage capacity against X-Large targets. That would require capitals to have support of sub capitals to deal with this threat. |
Viper ShizzIe
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.21 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: Viper ****zIe on 21/01/2009 22:51:13
Originally by: kidrob
As you are a PL member i know you dont know anything else but dude: wtf? Go and smack someone else!
No, seriously. Your idea is terrible and completely unworkable in the mechanics of why CCP introduced interdictors in the first place, not to mention game mechanics in general. If you want to think because I have a certain alliance ticker my viewpoint in invalid go ahead, but it doesn't change my assessment of your argument whatsoever. |
Caffeine Junkie
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2009.01.22 11:42:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Gimora
Originally by: Caffeine Junkie
Originally by: kidrob
I would make MS immune to Dictor-bubbles - only a HIC should be able to lock them down!
If anything, that should be the other way around.
This will make them stupidly overpowered in low sec, but this Nerfed mom's in low sec.
I will agree they need to be tacklable in low-sec, would just like to see tackling them and Titans require a little more skill than "lock, activate modules, get RR love".
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Caffeine Junkie
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2009.01.22 11:44:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Supercapitals are not meant to be cost effective. CCP clearly stated this. That said, Moms are much hard to kill
Yeah.....but they're not.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.01.22 12:00:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Caffeine Junkie
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Supercapitals are not meant to be cost effective. CCP clearly stated this. That said, Moms are much hard to kill
Yeah.....but they're not.
Exactly.
Your cap ship deserves CPR's! |
Varrakk
Phantom Squad
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.22 13:59:00 -
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The mothership issue is a tough nut to crack.
I know whats wrong with them, fixing it and keeping it balance is the trick.
For starters I would like to see:
Increased base resists, not a unreasonable change.
Increased effects on reppers, or supercap versions.
Other possibilities,
Smart bomb range/damage bonus would be fun.
Not that it helps moms much, but they should have a effect bonus to all forums of gank links.
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ReePeR McAllem
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2009.01.22 14:10:00 -
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Zurrar, sounds to me like you fly a carrier, and have good skills for it. You use it well, but you find its not quit as good as a dread vrs other capitals, guess what? its not supposed to be.
Ships fill roles, what you seem to ask for is to have the one ship to do all.
Bombers, drones with dread weaponary? an amusing concept. Don't think it will fly though
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