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Rainson Arrvax
Minmatar Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:12:00 -
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I spend over an hour on a mission and then have some ass steal half the salvage. Of course...the jerkoff is in an NPC corp so I have no recourse.
Simple solution: If you're in an NPC corp taking salvage makes you attackable. If you're not then it doesn't. At least then I can wardeck you.
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:14:00 -
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So we all can laugh at you for taking so long in a mission and then steal your salvage.
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Furb Killer
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:14:00 -
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Because he wasted his time?
In empire i cant even get someone to salvage my AE lvl 4 when i ask for it in several channels (for me basicly only mission i sometimes bother salvaging). ---------------------------------------------
Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
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Kale Kold
Caldari Brutal Seizure
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:14:00 -
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Ahhh... carebears tears! yum yum.
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Davina Braben
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:17:00 -
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If you didn't salvage it yet it isn't your salvage
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:18:00 -
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It is ok because you already got rewarded for doing the mission (ISK, LPs, Standing) and for creating the wrecks (Bounty, Loot Rights) and the salvager is investing the same amount of time for salvaging as you would, plus an investment in time and ISK to even find any location worth salvaging. Considering that you are guaranteed to know the whereabouts of sizable amounts of wrecks you are already in an advantage over the freelance salvager. Consider yourself lucky.
-------- Ideas for: Mining
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Salliene
Gallente Trinity Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Rainson Arrvax I spend over an hour on a mission and then have some ass steal half the salvage. Of course...the jerkoff is in an NPC corp so I have no recourse.
Simple solution: If you're in an NPC corp taking salvage makes you attackable. If you're not then it doesn't. At least then I can wardeck you.
It helps build forum traffic.
One Girls Journey through the EVE Universe |
H Lecter
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Rainson Arrvax I spend over an hour on a mission and then have some ass steal half the salvage. Of course...the jerkoff is in an NPC corp so I have no recourse.
You got it right m8, it's the salvage like in 'anybody's salvage' not like in 'my' salvage.
If you think that salvaging makes you richer than missions you can always start a career as a ninja salvager yourself.
My opinion is purely personal and not related to my alliance |
Rainson Arrvax
Minmatar Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kale Kold Ahhh... carebears tears! yum yum.
Ah, the cheer of the ass! Care Bear Care Bear! Like living your life as a 12 year old is some great human jump in human evolution. You win, you are a superior human being and so strong...sitting there behind your computer screen. Oh, you make me so hot. You're power is sooooo intoxicating. Oh, tell me how much better you are than those of us with different goals in a game. Oh yes...yes...yes...
Boy, that was great. Thanks for spending the time on someone so pathetic!
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Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:22:00 -
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Salvage, noun, to collect discarded or refused material.
It's trash. If you don't sweep up your trash as you go, you can't feel hard done by when someone else does.
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Salliene
Gallente Trinity Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Rainson Arrvax
Originally by: Kale Kold Ahhh... carebears tears! yum yum.
Ah, the cheer of the ass! Care Bear Care Bear! Like living your life as a 12 year old is some great human jump in human evolution. You win, you are a superior human being and so strong...sitting there behind your computer screen. Oh, you make me so hot. You're power is sooooo intoxicating. Oh, tell me how much better you are than those of us with different goals in a game. Oh yes...yes...yes...
Boy, that was great. Thanks for spending the time on someone so pathetic!
Do you act this way when someone takes one of your pawns in chess (assuming you know how to play)?
One Girls Journey through the EVE Universe |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:27:00 -
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"Tell me again why stealing salvage is ok?"
Because it's not "EVE : Chronicles of Riddick - 'You keep what you kill' "...
_ Create a character || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Rainson Arrvax
Minmatar Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: H Lecter
Originally by: Rainson Arrvax I spend over an hour on a mission and then have some ass steal half the salvage. Of course...the jerkoff is in an NPC corp so I have no recourse.
You got it right m8, it's the salvage like in 'anybody's salvage' not like in 'my' salvage.
If you think that salvaging makes you richer than missions you can always start a career as a ninja salvager yourself.
I'm really speaking to the issue of no recourse. If you steal a can I have immediate recourse. That makes up for the fact that you just create an alt an put him in an NPC corp. With salvage there is NO recourse at all. That's what wrong, not that someone can take the salvage.
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WarlockX
Amarr Free Trade Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:28:00 -
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open up the dictionary and look up the word salvage. Then you'll see why it's not yours ----------------------------------------------- Free Trade Corp - Flash page
"Nothing about Eve should be easy. Not even ganking." -Rhohan
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Rainson Arrvax
Minmatar Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Salliene
Originally by: Rainson Arrvax
Originally by: Kale Kold Ahhh... carebears tears! yum yum.
Ah, the cheer of the ass! Care Bear Care Bear! Like living your life as a 12 year old is some great human jump in human evolution. You win, you are a superior human being and so strong...sitting there behind your computer screen. Oh, you make me so hot. You're power is sooooo intoxicating. Oh, tell me how much better you are than those of us with different goals in a game. Oh yes...yes...yes...
Boy, that was great. Thanks for spending the time on someone so pathetic!
Do you act this way when someone takes one of your pawns in chess (assuming you know how to play)?
OMG, that's so funny. I can't believe that God didn't break the mold after you. Please, post some more about your greatness and how everyone else is not worth the air they take up. Its still soooo hot. Come on, I need it.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Rainson Arrvax If you steal a can I have immediate recourse.
Yeah, about that - it's a relatively recent change (2-ish years), which has caused the side that was supposedly helped by it MORE total problems than before they HAD a "recourse". If salvaging becomes an act of agression, expect "mission busters" of the future to not only take your salvage, but also LOOT too (because there's no additional risk), and also expect them to come back in a PvP-fit ship to bust your balls as soon as you destroy their "thief" cheap ship.
_ Create a character || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Brainless Bimbo on 13/01/2009 16:33:58 i take any salvage thats available, noob ships at gates, battlecruisers at stations, crap in complexs, its just litter as far as i'm concerned waiting to be cleared, but finding mission locations is like work, no way dude.
If you wanted the salvage that badly why didn't you fit a salvager to a top slot and salvage whilst you kill the next one, also don't do missison in busy locations if you want to avoid being probed down.
forgot the don't lol
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Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:32:00 -
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Because CCP said so. The Ghost-training vote thread |
Camilo Cienfuegos
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:36:00 -
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Quote: I'm really speaking to the issue of no recourse.
Live in highsec and of course you're not allowed to shoot people who pick up the "trash". Move to lowsec or zerosec, and you can shoot whoever you like.
That's the bargain, like it or lump it. Hardpoint Rigs ECM Balancing |
Rainson Arrvax
Minmatar Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Rainson Arrvax If you steal a can I have immediate recourse.
Yeah, about that - it's a relatively recent change (2-ish years), which has caused the side that was supposedly helped by it MORE total problems than before they HAD a "recourse". If salvaging becomes an act of agression, expect "mission busters" of the future to not only take your salvage, but also LOOT too (because there's no additional risk), and also expect them to come back in a PvP-fit ship to bust your balls as soon as you destroy their "thief" cheap ship.
You know, that's a really good point. Thanks for the well thought out and adult response.
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Rainson Arrvax
Minmatar Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Edited by: Brainless Bimbo on 13/01/2009 16:33:58 i take any salvage thats available, noob ships at gates, battlecruisers at stations, crap in complexs, its just litter as far as i'm concerned waiting to be cleared, but finding mission locations is like work, no way dude.
If you wanted the salvage that badly why didn't you fit a salvager to a top slot and salvage whilst you kill the next one, also don't do missison in busy locations if you want to avoid being probed down.
forgot the don't lol
Fair points. Thanks.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:39:00 -
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Basically all the reasons listed so far are half right.
Once long long before salvage you could steal without recourse. This caused much whining so CCP added can ownership and aggro recourse. This caused much whining when players adapted can baiting.
So you see, CCP learned that no matter what they do, someone is going to ***** about it. Why bother to change it?
Funny thing is a lot of the gankers would love ownership rights on salvage. I think the mission runners should consider that one for a moment.
------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. |
5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Davina Braben If you didn't salvage it yet it isn't your salvage
Doesn't belong to him when he picks it up anyway, all Eve Online core data stuffs belongs to CCP, on their serverfarm.
Which they don't really own either, as the local authorities/council/government just allow you to use it for certain things and stay there for a certain time in exchange for pieces of paper.
Which they don't really own either, because we're all born unto this world long after mother earth had come to be to provide for us.
But it doesn't all belong to mother earth either, as we must look furthur outwood, for the creator of all that we see!
We cannot seem to find the creator of all that we see, so we'll just borrow all his stuff as we see fit for now...
...and that include your wreck. :p
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Rainson Arrvax
Minmatar Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos
Quote: I'm really speaking to the issue of no recourse.
Live in highsec and of course you're not allowed to shoot people who pick up the "trash". Move to lowsec or zerosec, and you can shoot whoever you like.
That's the bargain, like it or lump it.
Haha...ok...that's a good perspective! Good point.
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:40:00 -
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Because salvaging isnt stealing!
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Hamoroid Hangcock
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:43:00 -
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There is no such thing as stealing loot or salvage
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:44:00 -
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Because someone has to clean up all that mess... -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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DjLowballer
Amarr FLASHTROOPER CORP
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:47:00 -
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Because they took the time to learn how to probe, come find you, bookmark, come back, learn to salvage, bring salvage ship, and put in the effort.
Please Vote DjLowballer as your delegate to the CSM! |
Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:58:00 -
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It's not stealing if it's not yours in the first place and CCP has made very clear that salvage (much like ore from asteroids) isn't yours until it's in your cargo hold.
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CCP Prism X
Gallente C C P CCP
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Posted - 2009.01.13 17:07:00 -
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Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.
If you're surprised as to why the server does not consider it your stuff, it's because it's a mini profession designed for people who want to roam and look for salvage, not to further increase the revenue from mission grinding.. I doubt anyone with a perspective thinks we need to high-sec increase mission grinding any further.
Simple solution to the non-issue. Please don't take this as any bashing just for suggesting ideas. I have nothing against brainstorming on the forums. However, I'm going to let you in on a little CCP non-secret which is: "NPE". EVE is a really hostile game. We love how hostile it is.. we never meant for it to be a breeze. However, it's also accepted that, on top of the intended complexity, the tools and rules you play with/by aren't highly intuative. You are suggesting a dual functionality.. one for newbies and another for vets (of course you did not say that, however just because some people chill in newb corps and ain't newbs doesn't mean we should punish the new players) and to compound the inherent confusion in that the newbie functionality is more hostile and more open to griefing than the veteran functionality. It shouldn't be much different.. and if it had to be it should be the other way around.
~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006. Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008. |
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