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FrankCaliendo	Posted - 2009.01.14 05:34:00 - [1] If I was doing a mission that had a named boss spawn everytime you do the mission and I killed that boss, but didnt complete the mission, would he respawn along with the rest of the mission after 4 hours?
Vhiskey Caldari Imperial Forces	Posted - 2009.01.14 05:37:00 - [2] afaik a mission respawns after downtime when you dont kill the mission completion trigger
FrankCaliendo	Posted - 2009.01.14 05:42:00 - [3] Ok, so that named boss should be there after downtime, even if I kill him and dont complete the mission ?
KISOGOKU	Posted - 2009.01.14 06:07:00 - [4] Look to your journal ,if mission completed it will not spawn .
OneSock Crown Industries	Posted - 2009.01.14 09:53:00 - [5] if your talking about the overseer in Worlds Collide then no. He spawns random, so you might be lucky, might not.
Irdia Mhonetti	Posted - 2009.01.14 19:26:00 - [6] The overseer in WC4 isn't really random. What people mean when they say 'Random' is they dont understand it - WC4 is an example of this as the overseer spawn is not random at all. If you want to you can farm them, but you will find it faster isk to not do this. Basically farming them requires doing it once a day as previous suggested. Faction drops off overseers can happen in missions but they are still rare. Need an overseer of at least 2 mil bounty I think and the higher the bounty the better chance of better drops. A corpy said they had a overseer of around 5.5 mil once which was very juicy drops. If its a named npc's like in Vengence (2.75 mil bounty?) - again can farm it. But I've not seen any faction drops of those named npc's in missions yet so dont think its worth farming them.
Terminus Vindictus	Posted - 2009.01.14 20:08:00 - [7] Originally by: Irdia Mhonetti The overseer in WC4 isn't really random. What people mean when they say 'Random' is they dont understand it - WC4 is an example of this as the overseer spawn is not random at all. If the overseer spawn in WC4 isn't random, then how would you describe it? He appears in some missions, but not in many others. There's no set pattern on how or when he appears, which is the very definition of random... Originally by: Irdia Mhonetti If its a named npc's like in Vengence (2.75 mil bounty?) - again can farm it. No, you can't farm Rachen Mysuna in Vengeance since killing him marks the completion of the mission. That's also true with many other named NPCs in missions.
FrankCaliendo	Posted - 2009.01.14 21:21:00 - [8] There is a particular mission that a named boss of the particular faction you are fighting spawns after you kill so many BS' or ships( not sure) . He is also the mission completion trigger. Once he is dead the mission is completed. He drops some nice loot( and it doesnt matter what size the bounty from what I remember) and I wanted to know if it was farmable.
Dracthera	Posted - 2009.01.14 22:08:00 - [9] Originally by: FrankCaliendo There is a particular mission that a named boss of the particular faction you are fighting spawns after you kill so many BS' or ships( not sure) . He is also the mission completion trigger. Once he is dead the mission is completed. He drops some nice loot( and it doesnt matter what size the bounty from what I remember) and I wanted to know if it was farmable. By definition, if the boss is the mission completion trigger and you kill him, you can't farm the mission. Don't confuse mission completion with mission turn-in - they're two different things. You can complete a mission and not turn it in, but once the mission appears completed in your log, you can't farm it until the next time.
FrankCaliendo	Posted - 2009.01.14 22:14:00 - [10] Ok, thats what I thought but wanted to make sure. Too bad though. Would be nice to be able to farm him :(
nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2009.01.14 22:39:00 - [11] Farming worlds collide is actually pretty nice if you can only do one mission per night. Great bounty. --------------------
Irdia Mhonetti	Posted - 2009.01.15 07:10:00 - [12] Originally by: Terminus Vindictus If the overseer spawn in WC4 isn't random, then how would you describe it? He appears in some missions, but not in many others. There's no set pattern on how or when he appears, which is the very definition of random... Well I view if I can accept a WC4 mission and kill like 7 overseers (1 per day) as suggesting thats its not random. WC4 is like other mission that it has triggers for the overseer spawn. What is different is the overseer can appear in one of two pockets and you dont know which. If farming overseers in WC4 then the chance of an overseer appearing at all in the mission is close to 100% which is not random at all. You just need to learn how to trigger the overseer more regularly.
ollobrains2 Gallente New Eve Order Holdings	Posted - 2009.01.15 07:12:00 - [13] other suggestion get as many level 4 agents as u can and just go round rejecting any that dont offer it until u get it
Kurull Skullsplitter Minmatar Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2009.01.15 07:46:00 - [14] Originally by: Irdia Mhonetti You just need to learn how to trigger the overseer more regularly. Well then share your knowledge.
Srioghal moDhream	Posted - 2009.01.15 16:34:00 - [15] I will enlighten you plebians. In WC on both sides there is a chance to spawn an overseer. This chance occurs each time you warp into that section of the mission (I believe the 2nd section, been a while since I ran it.). I have found the best way to do this is to clear the mission of all ships(except for one of the BC's in the last section). After all the ships are cleared hop in a fast ship and repeatedly go through the acceleration gates until the overseer spawns (and yes you can get an overseer on both sides in the same mission). The serpentis overseer seems to be much more difficult to spawn though. Not that much to it, but now you know. AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE!
Terminus Vindictus	Posted - 2009.01.15 17:03:00 - [16] Originally by: Irdia Mhonetti If farming overseers in WC4 then the chance of an overseer appearing at all in the mission is close to 100% which is not random at all. You just need to learn how to trigger the overseer more regularly. If you're using the method Srioghal mentioned to trigger the overseers more regularly, then it's still random. You're simply rolling the dice more often. It also seems like a waste of time to me since the rewards for killing them aren't all that much better than the other kills, and I've never seen them drop anything of value (if they even drop anything at all, which most of the time they don't). You could be on your next mission by the time you get an overseer to spawn using that method. In my experience I've seen the overseer come up on roughly 20% of my missions, always on the Serpentis side and never on the Guristas side. There's a chance that the overseer spawns are set on different spawn chances depending on the factions as well, so perhaps for the WC version you're running they have a better chance of spawning. All I can say is that for the Guristas/Serpentis version of WC4, the overseer spawns are definitely random.
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.01.15 18:14:00 - [17] Originally by: Irdia Mhonetti IM being an ass and wont tell you how to cause the spawn Fixed that for you. If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
JannelleSilver	Posted - 2009.01.17 18:31:00 - [18] Originally by: Terminus Vindictus It also seems like a waste of time to me since the rewards for killing them aren't all that much better than the other kills, and I've never seen them drop anything of value (if they even drop anything at all, which most of the time they don't). 1 run Shadow Control Tower BPC not worth anything? Admittedly that's only dropped once for me and the other loot hasn't been nearly as good if there was even loot. It's a nice bonus if you get it, but not worth banking on a high bounty Overseer.
Erialor Godsent Gallente Federal Navy Support Divison	Posted - 2009.01.18 08:11:00 - [19] Originally by: Terminus Vindictus Originally by: Irdia Mhonetti The overseer in WC4 isn't really random. What people mean when they say 'Random' is they dont understand it - WC4 is an example of this as the overseer spawn is not random at all. If the overseer spawn in WC4 isn't random, then how would you describe it? He appears in some missions, but not in many others. There's no set pattern on how or when he appears, which is the very definition of random... AFAIK there's a set chance of the overseer spawning when you enter the 2nd room, if he's not there when you first enter the room simply warp out and try again - using this method I have no problem getting two overseers pr. day farming this mission (one for each side).

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