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Murkelost
Swedish Aerospace Inc G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2009.01.15 08:20:00 -
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Edited by: Murkelost on 15/01/2009 08:24:47 Going back 2 years where Eve was alot different than it is today it was also pretty different with what kind of people you met in this game. My favorite ones are people who are out there to fight and pvp everyday pushing their balls to the walls and yarring!
However the last year I've seen a ridicoulous amount NPC corp pilots around in 0.0 where ever I go and as soon as I show my face in local they either cloak up or warp away, this is not the issue but yeah, it's so predictable so it's no bother to even try either probe or catch them off guard.
At the same time when I travel through empire safespace I see all those noobcharacters flying around and spamming local everyday with some fancy offer about bying ISK and a link to a website.
Example:
asdetyuix121 > Come to www.eve-isk.com ,get 10% free ISK. 200M=5.99$,1000M=28.95$. No matter how much you order, you can get 10% more free ISK on www.eve-isk.com
Besides this apparently there are bots (macro characters) in for example Jita spamming out rare modules on contracts in local chat to effectively reach as many possible buyers as possible, this came to my mind since people in local was complaining about how a character is there everyday spamming out contracts on regular basis *LOL*
Be adviced that this is nothing I can confirm, but I'm sure it would make perfect sense since Macro ISK farmers in 0.0 and Macro Miners in Empire is possible.
What is the aftermath of all this exploitation? Well contracts pages will be overloaded with rare modules, which will drive down their prices, this will completely take away the idea about rare modules, actually being rare and give a decent boost to your wallet, not be like oh great I found a Dark Blood Energized Reactive Membrane, put yeah there are already 100 on contract pages... I guess I'll just refine it *LOL*
Anyways it's really sad to see how Macro characters take away some of the good fun for people who like to actually "play" the game and although I can't confirm anything to me it makes perfect sense that ISK farmers in 0.0 are affiliated with all those noob characters that go around in empire and spam local with ISK offers to buy, and I wouldn't be suprised if the Macro Miners are in this too.
So CCP I haven't really seen you really do much about this problem (esspecially not after you opened up the server to ASIA *cough*)
This problem with ISK farmers is already been a issue in other MMORPG platforms like WoW (no I don't play it) but I read about people who hire people to sit and grind the hell out of games to gather the currency availible in games and sell it for real money. So when you opened up the server to ASIA, guess what happened... No offence to people in ASIA that play the game and do whatever else anyone does, pvp etc.
So yet again CCP, your wonderful games is being ****d by people who have no respect for your EULA terms and will do anything to exploit your game and make it a ****hole for anyone else who simply wanna have some fun, so it's time you started to something about this problem before the whole community is drained with ISK exploiters.
There are ways to recognize ISK farmers
*they are in NPC Corps (for the most part) *they leave local before you can even drop a probe or scan them out (0.0 farmers) sometimes they just cloak up and sit hidden until you leave *they fly ravens (for the most part) *and when you convo them because they are cloaked and safe and you try to talk to them they don't understand **** what you say and they usually communicate by some poor translation program.
Time to wake up CCP.
If you are going to flame me about this post as a user of the game, then it can only be because your actually a part exploiting the above mentioned issue, so think twice before you post. And if you're a general flame tard who like to just flame about without having any idea what this is about, then I would recommend to not post.
However anyone who have anything viable to add to the post feel free. |
Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.01.15 08:21:00 -
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Opertone
Caldari Gladiators of Rage Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.01.15 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
i will decipher it - beating a dead horse other possible meaning, taking advantage of decaying donkey possibly bringing up an issue that is so well known, that it has grown a beard.
maybe he is spanking some sort of animal with baseball bat, maybe monkey is the clue
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Murkelost
Swedish Aerospace Inc G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2009.01.15 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Opertone
Originally by: Khemul Zula Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
i will decipher it - beating a dead horse other possible meaning, taking advantage of decaying donkey possibly bringing up an issue that is so well known, that it has grown a beard.
maybe he is spanking some sort of animal with baseball bat, maybe monkey is the clue
So you're saying that it's wrong to post about something just because it has been before? Hint: dont read the thread mate if it bores you |
Jei'son Bladesmith
The Storm Knights The Cool Kids Club
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Posted - 2009.01.15 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Murkelost Hint: dont read the thread mate if it bores you
thats just not how we do things here
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.01.15 11:10:00 -
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ISK sellers aren't the issue, ISK buyers are. Without them RMT drops out of business. |
KhaniKirai
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Posted - 2009.01.15 11:19:00 -
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Whats an isk farmer?
A player, that pays its account with isk?
In that case, do you really think CCP cares for it? As long as they have players buying extra GTC, to shop around in eve and get their isk from these isk farmers, by selling plexs to them?
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Murkelost
Swedish Aerospace Inc G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2009.01.15 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: KhaniKirai Whats an isk farmer?
A player, that pays its account with isk?
In that case, do you really think CCP cares for it? As long as they have players buying extra GTC, to shop around in eve and get their isk from these isk farmers, by selling plexs to them?
U don't really have any idea of what you are talking about yes?
ISK farmers sell ISK to other players for real money which according to the EULA is strightly not allowed. |
Snake Doctor
MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2009.01.15 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula
...are you beating a dead horse or spanking your ass?
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David Grogan
Gallente The Motley Crew
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Posted - 2009.01.15 13:35:00 -
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Edited by: David Grogan on 15/01/2009 13:36:42 Edited by: David Grogan on 15/01/2009 13:35:58 fit a large smart bomb when in 0.0 and spank that cloaked isk farmer's ass
they are usually within 15km range of the roids
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core
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Posted - 2009.01.15 13:46:00 -
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CCP Does crap about isk sellers, miners, market sellers, auto traders, auto haulers. ratters..
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KhaniKirai
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Posted - 2009.01.15 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Murkelost
Originally by: KhaniKirai Whats an isk farmer?
A player, that pays its account with isk?
In that case, do you really think CCP cares for it? As long as they have players buying extra GTC, to shop around in eve and get their isk from these isk farmers, by selling plexs to them?
U don't really have any idea of what you are talking about yes?
ISK farmers sell ISK to other players for real money which according to the EULA is strightly not allowed.
I think, you dont understand what goes on.
From a player perspective there is no difference in: Person A, mining X hours to buy a gtc card with the isk. Person B, mining X hours to sell his isk directly to someone for cash.
And there is also no difference in: CCP: selling gtc cards for rl cash AND at the same time allow them to be sold in game or using their website for isk. Isk seller: selling isk directly for rl cash.
Only difference is: CCP is maybe a bit more trustfull :/
For the market in the game, it really doesnt matter, they are being affected in same way.
Oh well, basically ccp is paying players with free gametime, if they sell their isk to people, that got too much rl cash and rather spent less time in game to buy the expensive game stuff, so are using the gtc buying>ccp>isk in game route.
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AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.17 19:56:00 -
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Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2009.01.17 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Murkelost
Originally by: KhaniKirai Whats an isk farmer?
A player, that pays its account with isk?
In that case, do you really think CCP cares for it? As long as they have players buying extra GTC, to shop around in eve and get their isk from these isk farmers, by selling plexs to them?
U don't really have any idea of what you are talking about yes?
ISK farmers sell ISK to other players for real money which according to the EULA is strightly not allowed.
not necessarily, ISK farmers may simply be players that, you know, run missions to farm ISK to buy shiny modules |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.01.17 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Murkelost Hint: dont read the thread mate if it bores you
Please to be telling me how you know how you feel about something before you read it. Maybe your thread had some genius insight. How am I going to now how much of a large waste of time this thread was before reading it?
I'll let you in on a secret, ISK Buyers are why there are ISK Sellers. |
Ocih
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.18 00:37:00 -
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I bought an ISK seller once after I made a fortune selling an ISK buyer.
It was lucrative. |
Loyal Servant
Caldari PURE Legion KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.18 09:41:00 -
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My friend here in Goodfellas.... I agree.
The problem here is that this all falls on deaf ears because there would be no eve if there were no farmers. It is no surprise that on those 'record breaking days' one can visit every empire system with an ice field and see 100 or so isk farmers in the belts... or the hundred or so that live out in tenal alone... So, if there are 45,000 users online you can bet your last dollar that 6-8k of them are isk farmers.
They pad the numbers for CCP.. and are a source of cash. This is why isk buyers buy isk, and most isk buyers that I have talked to are repeat offenders because they don't get banned for it. They also rarely get caught because isk is transferred in a market transaction, which CCP does not reverse. So, isk is sold all the time and it's quite safe. Unless your a moron and pass your login details to the isk seller or they have you install some program that 'hides' the isk sale (which is a lie) and get your login details.
It is amazing what you can learn from isk farmers, because most.. if not all are criminals. CCP can come down on them but one hand washes the other. This is why farmers are allowed to stay in eve.
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Animka
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.01.18 09:56:00 -
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Edited by: Animka on 18/01/2009 09:55:58 Sure... you can fight isk farming with communism also.
http://www.incgamers.com/News/14744/Update-Chinese-Real-Name-Registration-Explained |
Loyal Servant
Caldari PURE Legion KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.18 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Animka Edited by: Animka on 18/01/2009 09:55:58 Sure... you can fight isk farming with communism also.
http://www.incgamers.com/News/14744/Update-Chinese-Real-Name-Registration-Explained
The workaround to the system is in the article. Most people don't know how a gold farming shop works.. If they are only allowed to play 3 hours, sure just switch to another game like wow, lotro, etc etc. 4 games to play to fill their 12 hour shift.
Absolutely no harm to the farmers.
Technically, IIRC, they are not supposed to play games that are not made for the Chinese market dictated by the communists. Mainly due to the fact that they can't censor them otherwise.
This is why they have their own wow servers, their own eve server, etc etc. Does not stop the farmers from farming on ours.
Remember.. they don't have gold farmers or isk farmers on their servers. That was told to me by several isk farmers... reason is that there is no market for it there. They play in a farmer free environment.
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eliminator2
Gallente Young Enterprise Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2009.01.18 19:11:00 -
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CCP will not answer to this but mearly lock it :D
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.01.18 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Loyal Servant My friend here in Goodfellas.... I agree.
The problem here is that this all falls on deaf ears because there would be no eve if there were no farmers. It is no surprise that on those 'record breaking days' one can visit every empire system with an ice field and see 100 or so isk farmers in the belts... or the hundred or so that live out in tenal alone... So, if there are 45,000 users online you can bet your last dollar that 6-8k of them are isk farmers.
They pad the numbers for CCP.. and are a source of cash. This is why isk buyers buy isk, and most isk buyers that I have talked to are repeat offenders because they don't get banned for it. They also rarely get caught because isk is transferred in a market transaction, which CCP does not reverse. So, isk is sold all the time and it's quite safe. Unless your a moron and pass your login details to the isk seller or they have you install some program that 'hides' the isk sale (which is a lie) and get your login details.
It is amazing what you can learn from isk farmers, because most.. if not all are criminals. CCP can come down on them but one hand washes the other. This is why farmers are allowed to stay in eve.
Okay, watch this
Are you watching?
1.) CCP fights ISK Sellers. 2.) ISK sellers are human beings, with companies making a lot of money who can hite intelligent help. 3.) Said ISK sellers figure out what is being done to fight them. 4.) After figuring out ISK Sellers adapt and figure out a way to break through or work around what is done. 5.) Repeat as necessary.
So to put it in short, because people still make these ******ed threads, ISK sellers are a symptom, and not the root.
As long as there are people willing to buy ISK, there will be sellers to provide it to them. And no matter what anyone can do will stop them.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.18 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Loyal Servant My friend here in Goodfellas.... I agree.
The problem here is that this all falls on deaf ears because there would be no eve if there were no farmers. It is no surprise that on those 'record breaking days' one can visit every empire system with an ice field and see 100 or so isk farmers in the belts... or the hundred or so that live out in tenal alone... So, if there are 45,000 users online you can bet your last dollar that 6-8k of them are isk farmers.
Ice system: check 47K+ on line: check 6 jumps from a major trading hub (Amarr): check
So where are the hordes?
11 character in system, 4 mining.
Screenshot of the belt and chat. |
Animka
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.01.18 20:33:00 -
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Edited by: Animka on 18/01/2009 20:34:17 Edited by: Animka on 18/01/2009 20:33:13
Originally by: Loyal Servant
Originally by: Animka Edited by: Animka on 18/01/2009 09:55:58 Sure... you can fight isk farming with communism also.
http://www.incgamers.com/News/14744/Update-Chinese-Real-Name-Registration-Explained
If they are only allowed to play 3 hours, sure just switch to another game like wow, lotro, etc etc. 4 games to play to fill their 12 hour shift.
Absolutely no harm to the farmers.
That was possible before this new law came. Now they have the same, real name and ID registered with every game they are playing. Cant just switch to another game. Unless ofc, they start to register their friends names and switch this accounts every 3 hours.
Probably. |
Loyal Servant
Caldari PURE Legion KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.18 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Animka
That was possible before this new law came. Now they have the same, real name and ID registered with every game they are playing. Cant just switch to another game. Unless ofc, they start to register their friends names and switch this accounts every 3 hours.
Probably.
I don't think that their 'registration' will work for TQ. There won't be any restrictions for them playing on our server farming isk. Even then, it's only minors? I think it's doomed from the start and will have no impact on their ability to farm isk for resale here.
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Jazerus
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Posted - 2009.01.19 00:32:00 -
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Chinese playtime is only restricted for minors; adults can be as addicted to MMOs (or farm MMOs) as much as they like. |
Raven Eleashia
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.19 00:38:00 -
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CCP should probably talk to Mythic. Mythic has totally smashed gold spam in their game. The farmers may still be there, but you NEVER see spam in local chat. You get a few mails on occasion, but they are getting less and less. |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.01.19 01:12:00 -
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[url=http://onlinegamesareanichemarket.wordpress.com/2008/09/21/a-banning-we-will-go-a-banning-we-will-go-heave-ho-off-the-servers-yo-a-banning-we-will-go/]Mythic guy does a writeup on their spam-hammer.[/url]
What is the recourse for a player who was banned in error?
ISK spam sounds like a good reason to leave noob corps, personally ;)
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Raven Eleashia
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.19 01:32:00 -
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Edited by: Raven Eleashia on 19/01/2009 01:34:53
Originally by: Mara Rinn Edited by: Mara Rinn on 19/01/2009 01:17:46 Mythic guy does a writeup on their spam-hammer.
Playing devil's advocate for a moment:
What is the recourse for a player who was banned in error? How much does it cost the company to research and reinstate in this instance? How would you feel about having your account banned simply because some folks organised a "report this guy as a spammer" lynch mob?
ISK spam sounds like a good reason to leave noob corps, personally ;)
Back to normality: it'd be really nice to have a "report spammer" option in the contextual menus alongside "add to addressbook" and "block". It would also be really nice if removing people from my block list didn't add them right back into my buddy list.
When you see gold spam all you have to do is type /rg and the spammers name is AUTOMATICALLY entered into the petition queue, and investigated. They don't just ban players arbitrarily. They look at the chat logs. |
Loyal Servant
Caldari PURE Legion KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.19 06:48:00 -
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Regular Expressions Linkage
Too bad CCP doesn't know how to use them.
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State Security
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.19 07:05:00 -
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Too easy...
CCP starts asking for a valid credit card for the Free Trails. ISK spammer? Oh, POW! Card is charged a full months fee plus a penalty for breaking EULA. They can add in whatever they want, they make the rules.
REMEMBER! These are ISK FARMERS they are NOT paying with cash every Month to have Robby the Robot miner have an acount, they just use ISK to buy GTC's and play for free. What a wonderfull business to have ZERO overhead. |
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