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Bladen Kerst Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.16 08:52:00 - [1] I really need to know
Max Hardcase Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2009.01.16 08:57:00 - [2] Choose the damage type for the tower you are gonna shoot ?
Bladen Kerst Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.16 09:16:00 - [3] Isn't it a common practice on serious setups to equalize resists anyway?
Talen Kross T Miners	Posted - 2009.01.16 09:18:00 - [4] Originally by: Bladen Kerst I really need to know Shield tank. Unless you are Purely Caldari specced, train for Amarr capitals. Of course that is just from a Min/Max point of view. Train what ever you want. Although at the moment Amarr are considered to have the best capital ships. This is because for capitals then cap recharge is considered to be king and armour tanks are better at getting good cap recharge. Once you move away from Dreads, armour tanking is superior because armour tanking is the de facto way to tank. This is because more ships armour tank than shield tank, therefore more ships will have remote armour reps compared to remote shield tanks.
Mr Krosis The humble Crew	Posted - 2009.01.16 09:49:00 - [5] The Phoenix is one of the higher damage dreads. The damage type choice is nice, but along with the Revelation it gets the most benefit from fitting damage mods as almost all of it's damage is in one weapon system. Some towers do put enough hardeners on to even out resists, but that requires 5 hardeners and many don't put those up, if any. Also all hardeners will be offline when the POS comes out of reinforced anyway. From a POS gunning perspective, an active tanked Phoenix is the hardest ship to kill, having the highest raw DPS tanked, along with the highest cap regen (by a good margin). Unfortunately an active tanked Phoenix doesn't hold up as well in cap on cap fights, but there's pros and cons to all the ships. Ultimately there are some things that the <blank> can do better than some other dreads. Fill in the blank with Phoenix, Revelation, or Moros. -- Mr Krosis The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.16 11:02:00 - [6] It has a great combination of dps and buffer, this is my fit: [Phoenix, TJ's fit] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Capacitor Power Relay II Damage Control II Capital Shield Booster I Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Photon Scattering Field II Cap Recharger II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Guristas Rift Torpedo I Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Guristas Rift Torpedo I Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Guristas Rift Torpedo I Siege Module I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I 2.45mil EHP, 4k DPS (4.4 with faction torps) The rev does equal DPS but has less buffer, moros does slightly more DPS if you include drones but has less buffer, too. The only drawback the phoenix has is the delayed damage of torps.
Caffeine Junkie Atomic Battle Penguins	Posted - 2009.01.16 11:23:00 - [7] It has the highest volley damage of any dread, but as citadels often take over 30 seconds to get a to a target thats fairly irrelevant. Good things: It can choose damage types (like all missile boats) It has a strong tank and its quite easy to run permanently. Doesn't use much ammo (although still more than a revelation). Bad things: Citadels can't really hit smaller POS guns / Battleships Takes forever for damage to get to targets Looks like a flying brick Only one weapon type (i.e. no choice between short and long range) Moros / Revelation does it better tbh. --------------------------------- I stopped reading Falcon threads.....and started flying a Rook.
P'uck	Posted - 2009.01.16 11:27:00 - [8] Edited by: P''uck on 16/01/2009 11:28:05 I somehow hallucinate I read that it got a lot harder to remove citadel torp damage, so why does it matter if the torps take forever? I thought speedtanking nanopos setups are considerably rare And it's not like the other stuff you gonna shoot at is going anywhere, either. I dont fly caps, I dont plan to, but I still like to learn stuff. edit; is it the switching primary thing?
Rivur'Tam the united	Posted - 2009.01.16 11:28:00 - [9] You are all forgeting what the it does the best, DIE .. ...
Caffeine Junkie Atomic Battle Penguins	Posted - 2009.01.16 11:32:00 - [10] Originally by: P'uck Edited by: P''uck on 16/01/2009 11:28:05 I somehow hallucinate I read that it got a lot harder to remove citadel torp damage, so why does it matter if the torps take forever? I thought speedtanking nanopos setups are considerably rare And it's not like the other stuff you gonna shoot at is going anywhere, either. I dont fly caps, I dont plan to, but I still like to learn stuff. edit; is it the switching primary thing? Its not a huge concern when hitting POS, however if you find yourself in a situation where you are forced to fire on Battleships the Phoenix fails. Also if you are firing at range it takes over 2 minutes for a citadel to cover 150km. By which time the target could be dead / warped / shopping in Jita / asleep etc etc --------------------------------- I stopped reading Falcon threads.....and started flying a Rook.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.16 11:48:00 - [11] Originally by: Rivur'Tam You are all forgeting what the it does the best, DIE Kind of, totally untrue >< With lvl 5 skill citadel torps move at 1125 m/s, which is a travel time of about 40s when travelling to a typical POS (recalling from memory). In capital engagements it can pay off to have the phoenixes shoot a separate target if they're further away than say 40km. Your cap ship deserves CPR's!
Caffeine Junkie Atomic Battle Penguins	Posted - 2009.01.16 11:52:00 - [12] Originally by: Sokratesz With lvl 5 skill citadel torps move at 1125 m/s, which is a travel time of about 40s when travelling to a typical POS (recalling from memory). In capital engagements it can pay off to have the phoenixes shoot a separate target if they're further away than say 40km. Much like flying Cruise Ravens in a fleet fight (if anyone still does such a thing now the Rokh is out). Fire on the Tertiary (sp?) target, the primary and secondary will be dead before anything hits. I like the Phoenix, however I still find myself jumping into the Moros on any dread op as its considerably more versatile. --------------------------------- I stopped reading Falcon threads.....and started flying a Rook.
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.01.16 12:55:00 - [13] Ｔｈｅ　ｏｎｌｙ　ｔｈｉｎｇ　ｔｈｅ　Ｐｈｅｏｎｉｘ　ｃａｎ　ｄｏ　ｔｈａｔ　ｎｏ　ｏｔｈｅｒ　ｄｒｅａｄ　ｃａｎ　ｄｏ　（ｂａｒｒｉｎｇ　ｈａｌｆ　ｏｆ　ｔｈｅ　Ｎａｇ）　ｉｓ　ｔａｒｇｅｔ　ａ　ｐｉｌｏｔ　ｏｕｔｓｉｄｅ　ｔｈｅ　ｐｏｓ　ｓｈｉｅｌｄｓ　－　ｌａｕｎｃｈ　ｃｉｔａｄｅｌｓ　－　ａｎｄ　ｓｔｉｌｌ　ｈｉｔ　ｆｏｒ　ｄａｍａｇｅ．Ａｆｔｅｒ　ｔｈａｔ，　ｔｈｅｒｅ　ｉｓ　ｎｏｔｈｉｎｇ．

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