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Brother Priad Pear Shaped Mining	Posted - 2009.01.18 20:37:00 - [1] Currently im mining away in an apoc fitted with 8 miner 2s and 7 expander 2s. Until such time as i decide to go near ice mining i.e mining barges, is this enough for the time being? Or should i really go for mining barges straight away in order to maximise how much ore is mined each hour? Any tips on what should be trained straight away skill wise, and ship setups? thanks.
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.18 21:51:00 - [2] Mining in anything other than a covetor or a hulk is simply passing the time until you can use the right equipment. You can increase your yields by swapping some of the cargo expanders for mining laser upgrades. Skills which will help you short term and carry over to hulk piloting are: Mining V Astrogeology V Mining Upgrades IV I would recommend training whichever one of those will take the least time. Then concentrate on Mining Barge V. After which you should work on: Drones V Mining Drone Operation V and the reprocessing skills you need to fit strip miner IIs with t2 crystals.
IVeige	Posted - 2009.01.18 22:54:00 - [3] go read this : http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Mining_Guide_by_Halada
Insidious Oood	Posted - 2009.01.19 04:37:00 - [4] Training to your Hulk is always your best bet, but how you get there is up to you. Just to give you an idea of the different options- Ship ------- omber per hour Retriever --- 66120 Apoc ----- 79680 Rokh ----- 83664 Covetor ----- 101880 Battleships cost more but are quicker to train into then a covetor. still the Hulk is your goal at 181920 omber per hour. goodluck
Maglorre	Posted - 2009.01.19 07:57:00 - [5] Mining in a BS is a good way to get RSI Train for the Modulated Deep Core Miner II. This, with the right crystal for the ore you are mining will give you 80m3 per minute, up from 60 for the Miner II with the added benefit of a 3 minute cycle time.
Irish Blend Caldari 10045th Logistics Battalion	Posted - 2009.01.19 09:55:00 - [6] Originally by: Maglorre Mining in a BS is a good way to get RSI Train for the Modulated Deep Core Miner II. This, with the right crystal for the ore you are mining will give you 80m3 per minute, up from 60 for the Miner II with the added benefit of a 3 minute cycle time. Is your advice bad as a joke? Anyone with those skills would be in a barge running strip miners
Maglorre	Posted - 2009.01.19 11:14:00 - [7] Originally by: Irish Blend Is your advice bad as a joke? Anyone with those skills would be in a barge running strip miners Hmm, why is that ? The skills to use the lasers you can train without the barge skills. Admittedly most people that can use those lasers can probably use a Covetor at least, but can a Covetor tank 0.0 belt rats?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.01.19 11:27:00 - [8] Well, training for MDCMII means Astrogeology 5, and that's basically ~43% of the total training time for a Covetor if you had equal training speeds in Int/Mem and Per/Wil. For a combat pilot (presumably that's why he's using a BS to mine), Per/Wil is usually slightly faster, so you might be looking at "halfway there". And from a Covetor to a Hulk, the difference is mostly ISK for ship rather than training time... and you don't really want to compare the mining effectiveness of a BS full of cargo expanders to that of a Hulk, now do you ?
Koraeth	Posted - 2009.01.19 14:49:00 - [9] Dont forget, that mining in a BS will give you carpal Tunnel syndrome moving it out of your hold and into a jetcat. If I remember correctly when I did some, I couldn't even go 1 full minute without filling my apoc up. At least with teh retriever / covetor / hulk the cycle is longer, so not as many clicks. And really, if you are even half way serious about mining, the Hulk is the only way to go.
Brutal Bruno	Posted - 2009.01.19 15:17:00 - [10] Edited by: Brutal Bruno on 19/01/2009 15:18:27 Get your self a hulk, 3 mod strip miners and t2 crystals and then get your friend in to a Orca. That¦s what I did. I now clean out a belt in 2-3 hours with one Hulk(HI-sec belt).

Irish Blend Caldari 10045th Logistics Battalion	Posted - 2009.01.19 15:24:00 - [11] Originally by: Maglorre but can a Covetor tank 0.0 belt rats? Flying a Covetor is just a pilots way of saying "I can't afford a Hulk yet"
Krelltor	Posted - 2009.01.19 17:06:00 - [12] Quote: Flying a Covetor is just a pilots way of saying "I can't afford a Hulk yet" Or a way of saying, I have lost 2 hulks this month, I am not about to lose another one.
Gavin DeVries	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:32:00 - [13] I have a Rokh fitted with 8 MDCM IIs. It mines ~3126 m3 every three minutes with T2 crystals. That's more than a Retriever can ever do. It's not as much as a Covetor, and about 3/4 what a base Hulk can manage. I never trained Mining Barges, which is why I went the battleship route, to be able to do other things in addition. I stopped mining because I started making more money in other ways. If you are a serious miner, you're better off training for a Hulk. However, you can mine effectively in a battleship. The biggest single problem I found is cargo. With my Rokh, I have to stagger the lasers in pairs, because one pair fills up my hold. I have to shuffle cargo 4 times every three minutes.
Cendaliaa	Posted - 2009.01.19 20:11:00 - [14] Originally by: Krelltor Quote: Flying a Covetor is just a pilots way of saying "I can't afford a Hulk yet" Or a way of saying, I have lost 2 hulks this month, I am not about to lose another one. what he said, miners get little love to almost no love at all by CCP.
Xynomorphine Gallente Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.19 22:49:00 - [15] Edited by: Xynomorphine on 19/01/2009 22:51:50 Edited by: Xynomorphine on 19/01/2009 22:51:10 Ok read this link it might give you some more info you need. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=434899 Believe in no one, trust in no one, the truth is really out there, keep your friends clode but your enemys even closer.
Maglorre	Posted - 2009.01.20 03:12:00 - [16] Originally by: Irish Blend Originally by: Maglorre but can a Covetor tank 0.0 belt rats? Flying a Covetor is just a pilots way of saying "I can't afford a Hulk yet" Or perhaps... "I started training for a Hulk but it's about 40 days from being able to fly a Covetor to being able to fly a Hulk and I need to do something in the mean time and I can already fly a BS and it can tank the rats but the Covetor can't and I don't mind getting RSI" And I think Gavin DeVries response disproves your previous comment
Sanguis Sanies Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.20 03:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Maglorre Originally by: Irish Blend Originally by: Maglorre but can a Covetor tank 0.0 belt rats? Flying a Covetor is just a pilots way of saying "I can't afford a Hulk yet" Or perhaps... "I started training for a Hulk but it's about 40 days from being able to fly a Covetor to being able to fly a Hulk and I need to do something in the mean time and I can already fly a BS and it can tank the rats but the Covetor can't and I don't mind getting RSI" And I think Gavin DeVries response disproves your previous comment No... it's about 2 days from a Covetor to a Hulk
Maglorre	Posted - 2009.01.20 05:49:00 - [18] Originally by: Sanguis Sanies No... it's about 2 days from a Covetor to a Hulk It is? I must be mis-rememberig then, maybe it was 40 days from Retriever to Covetor? It was a long time ago so my memory is a bit fuzzy I do remember putting it off for quite some time and mining in a battleship instead. It was also at a time when a Hulk cost 600M so I was in no rush
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2009.01.20 06:08:00 - [19] Originally by: Maglorre Originally by: Sanguis Sanies No... it's about 2 days from a Covetor to a Hulk It is? I must be mis-rememberig then, maybe it was 40 days from Retriever to Covetor? It was a long time ago so my memory is a bit fuzzy I do remember putting it off for quite some time and mining in a battleship instead. It was also at a time when a Hulk cost 600M so I was in no rush I recently trained up to hulk from having nothing in mining barges (I'm a combat pilot, mainly). The time from retriever to covetor is fairly long, but from covetor to hulk took almost no time at all.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2009.01.20 06:26:00 - [20] The training from Covetor to Hulk is precisely Exhumers 1-3, which is a level 5 skill so for people who have learning skills and implants, you're looking at about 3 days. The long training for the Covetor/Hulk is Astrogeology 5 and Mining Barge 5, since you can fly a Retriever with Astrogeology 3 and Mining Barge 3. For people with learning skills and implants, you're looking at about a month for that training.



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