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Kaaii Caldari PixelJuice Design Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:06:00 - [1] Mr GS Leaderships, In an attempt to gauge the moral pulse of Goons, I have been provided intercepts of some communications with the alliance proper. And what I have seen is quite disturbing! More and more in fighting is developing between high order goons and the lowly bees that are slaves to the empire. It seems that the whips are cracking and yet they fall on the all too weathered backs of the worker bees. Is this true? I shudder to think that all the CAOD "we are winning posts" are in vain. You have had some victories, albeit somewhat empty given your state of the Union, and I we assume that your stingers have lost their edge now? Your brosefs, the NC are now rallying to defend your homeland, and yet, so few goons appear to care anymore. Fleet numbers dwindle, more fights are borne on the backs of your allies, but I have a sense that its purely driven by the revenge they feel is due to GBS, or maybe the threat they feel should you fold, well, you know... So, I've enclosed a couple of the smaller posts that caught my eye, in hopes that you can make clear, just where the GS alliance is headed. Quote: Strategy starting Monday (ALL READ) ANZAC TZ Players (06:00-around downtime?): Base out of AZN and keep your focus on the complex in BJD4. I'm confused here, on one hand you are stressing participation, yet focusing on plex running? Are you short on cash now that so much has happened to your alliance lately? EURO TZ Players (17:00-23:00): Support TCF/NC operations on the northern end of our space. Currently the focus is on 0-W and DG-, so your best bet is to live in a POS in one of those systems. Base out of 77S. Join channel south-comms for combined operations with TCF/NC. US TZ Players(23:00-06:00): Base out of AZN. We'll be doing a lot of POS shooting and forcing -A- to split from BoB. Be ready for it. How did this work out for you? Did you get the numbers you required? Is superfriends on verge of splitting off now? This includes capital pilots. Anzac capital pilots I don't know wtf, it's your choice. We're going to try our hardest to avoid euros doing ops in Feyth, and Americans/Anzacs doing ops in Detorid, etc, but it'll still happen if it's necessary. On the weekends when timezones don't matter so much we'll try to make it as easy as possible for everyone to move to where ever the ops are. During the week you'll need to figure out whatever works best for you. Best bet is to keep one ship in AZN, one in 77S, and spent 15 minutes using a frigate or inty to fly between the two if you don't like pod jumping. In previous communications, I read that you were out to gun for GBS, letting us come to you while fighting under cynojammed multi Titan defended systems, roaming ops, and the dreaded black opts defense forces. Yet there is now talk of avoiding all conflict together. What changed to control your strategy? Quote: 1/19 Euro Op 20:00eve Form up at a POS in 0-W. Be ready to leave at 20:00. I'm not sure who will be FCing. If we don't have an FC this is a good opportunity to learn, our directors and s*t should be able to put you in contact with TCF/NC FCs and your hand will be held. Join channel south-comms and do whatever you can to support their ops if we really have no leadership. Are you training new FC's at this crucial juncture in the fate of GS space? Isn't that a bit risky?* Quote: Dabigredboat, aka DBRB surely goons are not burning out their last competent FC? What happened to the other competent FC? --more--
Kaaii Caldari PixelJuice Design Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:06:00 - [2] Quote: For one you are ****ed, you have no idea what the fk you are talking about. So ill correct you, this past couple of weeks we have put off strat ops, we spent 5 days doing nothing important, goons ratted, goons went c***ging. We just gave goons a break because nothing bad was going on, then i posted an important op. Nothing critical, which not a single op the past month has been besides JDAS, and 50 fking goons showed at 0200 in us prime. NO TESTS, NO HOLIDAYS, nothing to stop them from showing. And this wasn't a cry fking wolf, i was told we would have friends coming, and im almost 100% sure that was called off since we cant even get 100 goons on a weekend. That was the be the surprise, as i left for work we had PL and a few others coming if O-W didn't look like a fight. With PL and NC now working in tandem, defending your space, is there more time for ratting up isks to pay them? Are they working for free for you? It is assured that there is no love lost between GBC and these two, which may be enough to hold them to the grindstone for now, but do you have any plans should they be occupied elsewhere? Quote: Originally Posted by SpongeSlog View Post In the interest of piling on, I planned my saturday around this op http://goonfleet.com/showthread.php?t=122491 and got my newbie ass in my newbie blackbird to have no FC show up for the op and no one botherd to post an "op canceled". So I logged after an hour and played GTA IV. This morning, I logged in for 2 hours for the "ZOMG ALL DAY SUNDAY OP" from 9:30 EST to 11:30 EST and watched no one make a fleet for two hours. So I went to the gym and burned 500 calories off my fat ass. So, this newbie is of the opinion that there really isn't anyone in charge here that actually knows what they are doing. I do see DRBG busting his azz every night trying to organizing *, but I also observe early signs of burnout as well. (being forgetten about for 3 hours, that sort of thing) Again, more references to a failed directorship at the helm, while the wheels come off? What are you doing to address this?* Okay little newbie I like this post so ill use it to make a point. Most of the time an op is already going on when a new op is to start, in this case paradigm blue already had a gang of about 40 doing st, We had been moving capitals into place for today (welp) and i took over the main fleet when he was done, about 0200. At this time i wanted to take goons on a small trip to shoot , the normal fts of the op instantly shat on it and goons logged off. We still went down to SCA and fked with them getting 2 kills. Two kills from SCA, didn't they disband or something? Might be mistaken here, but I wasn't aware that they were in GBC. Could be wrong however. Originally Posted by Gradivus There is little point in asking people to log in straight after DT and then leave them hanging in system doing nothing for 6/7 hours. That's what kills participation more than anything else. Everyone is aware that there could have been an attempt to take down our jammer but you have to react to that situation rather than trying to prevent it. This is how pos warfare is played, you dont take a fleet of 150 when thats all you have and go off to do something, lose it all and have nobody alive to defend the jammer and attack the system. Its a numbers game, if you have more to burn though then the hostiles you attack and you have to travel less to regroup then its easy. 6/7 Hours is a normal op waiting time, a long wait would be what some alliances do where they start at downtime and go 10 hours waiting offline for a hostile to jump in, log in and **** no good trap happens fast. laawl dbrb you are so going to burn out.
Kaaii Caldari PixelJuice Design Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:07:00 - [3] More hilarity, you guys must all be aware that while we killed NC caps in 0-w, goonfleet lost JDAS and their empire bridge routes to AAA. So now GS is killing the very one who are defending your space and you still loose systems and JB routes to Superfriends AAA? I hope not. They are doing pretty well getting and receiving many kills. Some big fights and lots of pew. Which begs the question, does the majority of GS not care anymore? Just holding out for as long as you can? Quote: Just so you guys know, we have currently 220+ LARGE towers that the logistics crew fuel, this is managed by approximately 5 people who spend upwards of 30-40 hours a week maintaining your st. We don't get free ships, we don't get isk, we get NOTHING for doing so. And yet we maintain the sov that allows GS to have space and allows you f*rs to have a play ground to st around in. If you cant be fked turning up to defend this play ground, then we CERTAINLY will laugh in your face as we are cut off from empire and bleed to death slowly. And by this, we can see that even the lowest of bees, the tower jockeys pleas for support, can see the writing on the wall. And that their efforts, all the time spent supporting so many, while receiving nothing for their labors, are concerned as to the fate of the alliance. Quote: convoys to JDAS are forming, get the fk in and get up here goons. if you're going to play eve NOW is the time. Our allies are here, we need to hold up our end of OUR SPACE. o9 And yet more conformation that your allies are bearing the brunt of the defense of worker bees systems. Can a withdrawal be far behind? Quote: aaaaand -a- showed up with 200, ready for a fight. Our numbers: 120 More disturbing statistics. Quote: Yeah personally I'm feeling very red pennish about this kind of thing. Took me maybe 10 minutes to get here last night from AZN, I want to kill s*t, and goons are all effort And More* Quote: we didnt log a dread fleet to get blueballed show up goons And more... Quote: Yeah DBRB, the "we have a surprise for you guys, it'll be awesome, but I can't say because of op sec" followed by utter disappointment is what killed participation levels. Have the GS leaders now resorted to keeping the most basic of information from their troops? Fearful of a severe moral drop should they tell the truth? Quote: my 3rd op...and the 3rd time I stuck waiting for 3 hours with nothing happening because not enough goons logged on. Sigh, still more lack of participation... Quote: View Post . Last night we had 340 online in Alliance and 35 in gang. Look at the number of posters on GF.com. The vast majority of our alliance has no forums presence, which is ostensibly the real reason to be in Goonfleet. I'd hazard to guess that the bulk of our alliance has no interest in the culture, the survival, or even the existence of Goonfleet as a whole. It's folly to expect someone that doesn't post to give a crap about anything regarding this alliance. All they want is a safe system to rat in. From the mouth of babes, it now seems that all have realized the leadership has failed to motivate the majority of the rrest of the swarm. Credit should be given to those bees that do show up, however hearbreaking it must be for them. Quote: This doesn't explain why we were getting massive numbers at the beginning of the campaign. Goons are burnt out. We're sick of this "LOG IN WE HAVE AN AWESOME SURPRISE FOR YOU" and having an OP every single day of every single week. If you look at TWR, every day there's a "THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT OP OF GOONSWARM'S EXISTENCE" Announcement. The profits of so many, borne on the wings of a few....?
Yorda Minmatar Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:07:00 - [4] tl;dr looks like you posted a bunch of our own trolls in some attempt to troll us.
Kaaii Caldari PixelJuice Design Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:08:00 - [5] Quote: I'm done with sugar-coating this. Large chunks of our territory are either contested or hostile - I've stopped deleting alliance DED tower mails to illustrate that. Last night we had 340 online in Alliance and 35 in gang. We can stop all this disruption in a few days, but it seems under 10% of goons actually want to. Make the most of your all-day jewing while you can guys - those of us who still show up for ops and maintain our logistics won't waste any time laughing at you when your ratting raven can't evacuate to empire once all our bridge routes are cut or camped. _________________ Honeycomb for your thoughts? Kaaii
Lasakywa Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:08:00 - [6] zomg you have a spy in goonz, you must be..like..awesome
Moctobot Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:08:00 - [7] 'im gay' goonfleet poster, goonfleet forums
Zyz'yx Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:09:00 - [8] Guys, guys they can read our forums, the jig is up.
Adsterine Gallente Sock Robbers CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:10:00 - [9] tasty
xttz Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:11:00 - [10] Does posting excerpts from a forum everyone has access to make it more bearable that EXE is horribly broken? I'm sure Bob will stop using you as bait soon enough. They have plenty others for that.
Eghatee Minmatar Swedish Aerospace Inc Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:11:00 - [11] Shocking news.
Zyz'yx Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:11:00 - [12] Hey we lost 200 caps and several titans in the north ,but now we are losing caps down in the south, I know I will try to salvage my morale by c/p'n goon forums!!!!11oneone
Salastil Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:15:00 - [13] We had another State of the Goonion? When was this?
Mag's Caldari MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:16:00 - [14] All I know is this..... Nicholas Barker owes me a pint.
n00b alt3 Minmatar THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:22:00 - [15] Edited by: n00b alt3 on 19/01/2009 18:26:24 Originally by: xttz Does posting excerpts from a forum everyone has access to make it more bearable that EXE is horribly broken? I'm sure Bob will stop using you as bait soon enough. They have plenty others for that. having been around exe, they are actually surprisingly competent, and have certainly improved since the last time i fought them.
annoing Amarr Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:22:00 - [16] Wouldnt it be nice to see GS fold? Oh please oh please oh please ...
Kirana Si Amarr German arnima corp Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:22:00 - [17] Goons entered ASCN mode, more NEWS at 11
Virtuoso DeToure Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Salastil We had another State of the Goonion? When was this? Quick, somebody get Mawg Spawn on the line!
Virtuoso DeToure Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:25:00 - [19] I'm just going to start cross posting all my posts on GF.com to Eve-O.com.
Zyz'yx Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:25:00 - [20] sky is falling
Illiya Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:25:00 - [21] i, too, am gay
Virtuoso DeToure Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:25:00 - [22] man I miss CoH :sigh:
Rachekrieg Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:26:00 - [23] i, too, am gay
Virtuoso DeToure Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:26:00 - [24] I play Eve when my work and social life allow it. :)
Virtuoso DeToure Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:26:00 - [25] Was DG- our const sov system?
Yorda Minmatar Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:27:00 - [26] Originally by: niarT epaR Even if it isn't profitable, it'll still be a good way to funnel haxploited isk. GF director conspiracy to launder isk itt
Mag's Caldari MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:27:00 - [27] Originally by: Virtuoso DeToure I play Eve when my work and social life allow it. :) 23/7 then
Virtuoso DeToure Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:27:00 - [28] Did our towers in GHZ get blown up yet? I think I may still be logged out there.
n00b alt3 Minmatar THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:27:00 - [29] Edited by: n00b alt3 on 19/01/2009 18:27:32 Originally by: Virtuoso DeToure I play Eve when my work and social life allow it. :) so about 18 hours a day? edit: god mag's beat me
Virtuoso DeToure Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:27:00 - [30] (DA BIG RED BOAT) The first cruise I ever went on was The Big Red Boat as a kid. Puked before we even left the dock. True story.

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