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Mark Androcius
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:05:00 -
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So.... could anybody explain to me, why there is a 65.000 m3 cargo capacity difference, between the Minmattar Fenrir and the Caldari Charon?
I WANT to fly the Fenrir, but i would be stabing myself in the hand if i did, seeing as the difference is even 81,250 m3, when skill is at level 5, which is just huge.
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Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:07:00 -
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I suspect the Fenrir has better defenses or something.
Edit: herp derp wrong ship
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DeBingJos
Avalon Project
Shadow Rock Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:09:00 -
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Because the fenrir has better agility than the charon.
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Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:12:00 -
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...and it is faster
Once you skill up all the ships have a bay bigger than the normal load so the slightly smaller but faster ship can be better. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:12:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:Because the fenrir has better agility than the charon.
True this.
It doesn't make that much difference unless you do fairly long runs in it, but it does add up to a quicker trip over time.
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Mark Androcius
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:14:00 -
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Hmmmmm, so it actually does make some sense, thanks for clearing that up guys.
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1131
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:21:00 -
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Jace Errata wrote:I suspect the Fenrir has better defenses or something.
Edit: herp derp wrong ship
Warps faster too, it's the faster of them all.
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
480
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:30:00 -
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Mark Androcius wrote:Hmmmmm, so it actually does make some sense, thanks for clearing that up guys.
TBH I thought I was shooting myself in the foot getting a fenrir, at all 5's its actually not bad.
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non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
763
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:36:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Jace Errata wrote:I suspect the Fenrir has better defenses or something.
Edit: herp derp wrong ship Warps faster too, it's the faster of them all.
That's odd, I thought they all warped at 0.75au/s. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:40:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Jace Errata wrote:I suspect the Fenrir has better defenses or something.
Edit: herp derp wrong ship Warps faster too, it's the faster of them all.
fastest, actually 
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Serene Repose
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:40:00 -
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Once they attain warp speed the speed is the same. Some ships attain warp faster than others.
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Whitehound
146
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:48:00 -
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See the Ships & Modules section. I.e. Most sold freighters |
Xearal
SOL Industries
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:52:00 -
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Mind you.. putting 'fast' and 'freighter' in one sentence is still a silly thing to do.
Still.. I love my Fenrir's 'speed'.
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Nemo deBlanc
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:56:00 -
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Depending what you're flying, the Charon's extra storage might well be worthless. With the gank threshold being as low as it is, unless you're hauling exclusively low value, high volume good, I wouldn't even bother getting the Charon. Fenrir speed will likely be far more useful. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
544
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Posted - 2012.04.18 15:07:00 -
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Thank the GODS this thread is about Freighters.
Not too much room for argument here. 
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
511
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Posted - 2012.04.18 15:22:00 -
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if you carry more then 1bil of stuff in a freighter your asking to be suicide ganked... so you won't use the space anyway
even still you must be carrying a lot of crap to care about 80k m3
all the freighters have an advantage in some way
Providence has the best tank and best looks, bascally a rebel transport from star wars.
charon most capacity
obelisk is well rounded but you also can use the itteron 5 which has something like 50k capacity, the most of any industrial ship
the fenrir is the fastest and looks like a sand crawler from star wars. |
Whitehound
146
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Posted - 2012.04.18 15:28:00 -
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Freighters can haul a battleship, which an Orca cannot. You only need to make a courier contract and accept it through your corp and can move it as a package. |
DonHel
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.18 15:35:00 -
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non judgement wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:Jace Errata wrote:I suspect the Fenrir has better defenses or something.
Edit: herp derp wrong ship Warps faster too, it's the faster of them all. That's odd, I thought they all warped at 0.75au/s. Edit: Those few seconds difference while waiting to reach warp can really add up over time. If I want to warp faster I could just have someone else web me though.
I want to say I read somewhere they are working on getting rid of the web exploit for frieghtor,, pretty hard to get rid of though something that's built in to the fundamentals of eves ship workings for a long time |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
544
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Posted - 2012.04.18 16:04:00 -
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DonHel wrote:
I want to say I read somewhere they are working on getting rid of the web exploit for frieghtor,, pretty hard to get rid of though something that's built in to the fundamentals of eves ship workings for a long time
It's not an Exploit, it's a Mechanic.
And just WHERE did you read this ? Doubtful this is being looked at, as they are more concerned with true exploits like the Boomerang.
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Mark Androcius
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Posted - 2012.04.18 16:07:00 -
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non judgement wrote: If I want to warp faster I could just have someone else web me though.
How does that work?
Herping yourDerp wrote:if you carry more then 1bil of stuff in a freighter your asking to be suicide ganked... so you won't use the space anyway
even still you must be carrying a lot of crap to care about 80k m3
all the freighters have an advantage in some way
Providence has the best tank and best looks, bascally a rebel transport from star wars.
charon most capacity
obelisk is well rounded but you also can use the itteron 5 which has something like 50k capacity, the most of any industrial ship
the fenrir is the fastest and looks like a sand crawler from star wars.
80K matters a lot when you're hauling minerals at 0.01 m3 each.
And for the suicide gankers, you have mates for that, spider tanking works brilliantly.
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
875
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Posted - 2012.04.18 16:10:00 -
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DonHel wrote:
I want to say I read somewhere they are working on getting rid of the web exploit for frieghtor,, pretty hard to get rid of though something that's built in to the fundamentals of eves ship workings for a long time
Not that I've seen, either in the Fan Fest broadcasts or the follow-up dev blogs / interviews.
What was removed was the issue where after undocking, you could web a freighter right after it started it's warp drive, in a way that prevent it from being able to either stop, or warp off.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
544
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Posted - 2012.04.18 16:11:00 -
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Mark Androcius wrote:non judgement wrote: If I want to warp faster I could just have someone else web me though. How does that work?
Webbing a fleeted Freighter slows down (changes) the "Max Speed" of the Freighter to a speed that is SLOWER than the Freighter is ALREADY moving. Freighter instantly enters warp.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
544
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Posted - 2012.04.18 16:12:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:DonHel wrote:
I want to say I read somewhere they are working on getting rid of the web exploit for frieghtor,, pretty hard to get rid of though something that's built in to the fundamentals of eves ship workings for a long time
Not that I've seen, either in the Fan Fest broadcasts or the follow-up dev blogs / interviews. What was removed was the issue where after undocking, you could web a freighter right after it started it's warp drive, in a way that prevent it from being able to either stop, or warp off.
Indeed it mathematically slowed them to a negative speed, so they could not enter Warp, OR Dock due to being already in 'pre-warp'.
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Joran Dravius
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.18 16:13:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:Because the fenrir has better agility than the charon.
Better agility means you enter warp faster. I assume the faster traveling speed makes up for having less cargo. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
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Posted - 2012.04.18 16:16:00 -
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This was a problem years ago. Capital Ship Assembly arrays used to be 900K M3 packed and you needed to get freighter to 5 to put one in a Fenrir or Provi. It was quicker to train Charon to 4 than train Fenrir to 5 so they changed Cap ship assembly to 850 packed.
As people point out, Fenrir aligns to 75% faster and that makes it a good high sec freighter. Once you take them out of High sec, use them to move capital parts and use webs to push them, Charon difference can cut maybe a load off to setting up a Super Carrier build.
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Mark Androcius
34
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Posted - 2012.04.18 16:18:00 -
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I have 2 uses for it though.
Main use is to get the most in and out of WH space ( pos, battleship, pos fuel, some modules for the pos and other small stuff and the the minerals outwards )
The second use, is to haul the stuff to the most profitable place, that is not to far away ( usually that's Jita ).
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
544
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Posted - 2012.04.18 18:56:00 -
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Mark Androcius wrote:
The second use, is to haul the stuff to the most profitable place, that is not to far away ( usually that's Jita ).
Welp, THAT's about to be interrupted for a bit. 
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Mark Androcius
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Posted - 2012.04.18 19:05:00 -
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Krixtal wrote: Welp, THAT's about to be interrupted for a bit.
Well, i haven't chosen a system right smack in the middle of Jita and Dodi for nothing ;)
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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
73
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Posted - 2012.04.18 19:10:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:DonHel wrote:
I want to say I read somewhere they are working on getting rid of the web exploit for frieghtor,, pretty hard to get rid of though something that's built in to the fundamentals of eves ship workings for a long time
It's not an Exploit, it's a Mechanic. And just WHERE did you read this ? Doubtful this is being looked at, as they are more concerned with true exploits like the Boomerang.
you are talking about different things
webbing freighter so it warps faster - perfectly ok
webbing freighter so it doesn't warp at all yet cannot cancel warp - exploit |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
48
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Posted - 2012.04.18 19:13:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Thank the GODS this thread is about Freighters. Not too much room for argument here.
We can debate fits... |
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