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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.28 23:19:00 -
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Given The fact that they cost only 1000 isk, and one corp can buy 20 stations worth without batting an eye, WHAT WILL BE DONE TO HELP THE INDIVIDUAL GAMER ACTUALLY PLAY THIS GAME. I WOULD LIKE TO DO SOME RESEARCH. PLEASE PLACE A LIMIT IMMEDIATELY.
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.28 23:19:00 -
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Given The fact that they cost only 1000 isk, and one corp can buy 20 stations worth without batting an eye, WHAT WILL BE DONE TO HELP THE INDIVIDUAL GAMER ACTUALLY PLAY THIS GAME. I WOULD LIKE TO DO SOME RESEARCH. PLEASE PLACE A LIMIT IMMEDIATELY.
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W1rlW1nd
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Posted - 2004.07.28 23:20:00 -
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there's plenty of empty research slots in stations in curse space...
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W1rlW1nd
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Posted - 2004.07.28 23:20:00 -
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there's plenty of empty research slots in stations in curse space...
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Da3sd3mona
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Posted - 2004.07.28 23:21:00 -
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right away. hold on one sec....
try it now...
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Da3sd3mona
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Posted - 2004.07.28 23:21:00 -
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right away. hold on one sec....
try it now...
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"Political Correctness, the illegitimate step-child of liberalism, is cultlike in its establishment of correct speech. This is what cults do...they prohibit certain words and discussion of certain topics."
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Anatolius
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Posted - 2004.07.28 23:22:00 -
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*points downward*
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Having recently acquired a lab slot (thank you, rental bug), I wholeheartily concur, there's absolutely no problem with lab slots! |
Anatolius
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Posted - 2004.07.28 23:22:00 -
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*points downward*
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Having recently acquired a lab slot (thank you, rental bug), I wholeheartily concur, there's absolutely no problem with lab slots! |
Da3sd3mona
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Posted - 2004.07.28 23:23:00 -
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that is not polite...
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"Political Correctness, the illegitimate step-child of liberalism, is cultlike in its establishment of correct speech. This is what cults do...they prohibit certain words and discussion of certain topics."
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Da3sd3mona
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Posted - 2004.07.28 23:23:00 -
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that is not polite...
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"Political Correctness, the illegitimate step-child of liberalism, is cultlike in its establishment of correct speech. This is what cults do...they prohibit certain words and discussion of certain topics."
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.28 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 28/07/2004 23:39:51
What happened to new proposed research facility pricing that was supposed to be in last patch?
Noone has said anything about it. Probably be brought up in another 12 months when someone finds the old post and says hey CCP whats the deal?
I dont rely on the CSM people to always ask the right questions. They do what they want.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.28 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 28/07/2004 23:39:51
What happened to new proposed research facility pricing that was supposed to be in last patch?
Noone has said anything about it. Probably be brought up in another 12 months when someone finds the old post and says hey CCP whats the deal?
I dont rely on the CSM people to always ask the right questions. They do what they want.
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W1rlW1nd
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Posted - 2004.07.28 23:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Sinist
What happened to new proposed research facility pricing that was supposed to be in last patch?
Noone has said anything about it. Probably be brought up in another 12 months when someone finds the old post and says hey CCP whats the deal?
i dunno... what do you think Da3s?
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W1rlW1nd
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Posted - 2004.07.28 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sinist
What happened to new proposed research facility pricing that was supposed to be in last patch?
Noone has said anything about it. Probably be brought up in another 12 months when someone finds the old post and says hey CCP whats the deal?
i dunno... what do you think Da3s?
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Da3sd3mona
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Posted - 2004.07.28 23:41:00 -
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I think that someone was busy watching monkey **** instead of doing their job.
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"Political Correctness, the illegitimate step-child of liberalism, is cultlike in its establishment of correct speech. This is what cults do...they prohibit certain words and discussion of certain topics."
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Da3sd3mona
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Posted - 2004.07.28 23:41:00 -
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I think that someone was busy watching monkey **** instead of doing their job.
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"Political Correctness, the illegitimate step-child of liberalism, is cultlike in its establishment of correct speech. This is what cults do...they prohibit certain words and discussion of certain topics."
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Gundog Prime
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Posted - 2004.07.28 23:41:00 -
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To be honest research slots are like gold dust, whereas Factories are more plentiful and need to be constantly supplies with minerals Labs run self sufficiant and the renter only has to log on 1 day in the week to keep it ticking over...
End result, no free Labs unless your lucky...
LF-A CEO Leonstein had to negotiate his one from friends who he paid with 25mil in trade-ables. And thats cheap for a Lab slot, thank god he knew the guys 
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Gundog Prime
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Posted - 2004.07.28 23:41:00 -
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To be honest research slots are like gold dust, whereas Factories are more plentiful and need to be constantly supplies with minerals Labs run self sufficiant and the renter only has to log on 1 day in the week to keep it ticking over...
End result, no free Labs unless your lucky...
LF-A CEO Leonstein had to negotiate his one from friends who he paid with 25mil in trade-ables. And thats cheap for a Lab slot, thank god he knew the guys
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Anatolius
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Posted - 2004.07.29 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Gundog Prime
To be honest research slots are like gold dust, whereas Factories are more plentiful and need to be constantly supplies with minerals Labs run self sufficiant and the renter only has to log on 1 day in the week to keep it ticking over...
Exactly.
The idea that raising rent is going to free up labratory slots is stupid. There's no other word for it. Are factories kept free by the scaling rent? Whether it's 1k, 40k, or 80k, rent is a non-factor. You can rake that in by doing a single level 2 agent mission! Raise it higher? Anyone serious about keeping a slot still won't give a damn. Even higher, then? Well, you can be the one to tell that poor forlorn newbie who had his heart set on being a researcher that he won't be able to afford a bloody lab for about six months. I suppose current monopolistic manufacturers would love that, though.
The real reason factories are free and labs are not is because it is a literal pain in the arse to lock up a factory. Production is done quickly, and mineral costs are high.
A battleship takes almost no time to produce. Mineral costs are high, though, so the majority of people cannot lock up a factory by producing an endless stream of battleships. What of ammunition, then? You can produce enough ammunition in a day to fight a war for a month. Lower mineral costs are offset by even lower production times.
You can attempt to cut your losses and only do one run per rental period, just enough to keep the factory active. Fine and dandy - there's the problem, people actually have to go visit the stations where they own factories at least once a rental period then! If they bite the bullet, go the expensive route, and attempt constant production, they must cart many industrials worth of minerals to the station. They can try buy orders, but that risks the orders not being fulfilled in time and - yes, a visit to the station!
Take labs. Research times are high. No, I do not believe they should be lowered, but this is part of the real problem. What do you do to lock up a lab?
You pay the rent, which again, is a non-factor. You do a quick one-run of small ammunition and sacrifice a goat so you don't get the infamous bug(tm) that'll boot you out of your lab slot.
You then set a shuttle or something on a few trillion runs and forget about it for ages, save for clicking 'pay bill' every so often. Visit the station? Hah! Who needs to make an arduous journey twenty three jumps to the middle of nowhere to do that?
Lower the maximum number of research runs that can be ordered at one time. People will be inconvenienced, people will say, "Screw this," and lab slots will open. When lab slots open, people will think, "Gee, what do I need to keep that slot for? If I ever do get that Titan BPO from the Tech 32 lottery, I'll just get another one." More slots open.
And then pirates and miners will dance hand in hand in a circle, while singing happy songs and strewing flowers all over the place.
Okay, maybe not. But it'll do far more than playing with rent will.
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Having recently acquired a lab slot (thank you, rental bug), I wholeheartily concur, there's absolutely no problem with lab slots! |
Anatolius
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Posted - 2004.07.29 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Gundog Prime
To be honest research slots are like gold dust, whereas Factories are more plentiful and need to be constantly supplies with minerals Labs run self sufficiant and the renter only has to log on 1 day in the week to keep it ticking over...
Exactly.
The idea that raising rent is going to free up labratory slots is stupid. There's no other word for it. Are factories kept free by the scaling rent? Whether it's 1k, 40k, or 80k, rent is a non-factor. You can rake that in by doing a single level 2 agent mission! Raise it higher? Anyone serious about keeping a slot still won't give a damn. Even higher, then? Well, you can be the one to tell that poor forlorn newbie who had his heart set on being a researcher that he won't be able to afford a bloody lab for about six months. I suppose current monopolistic manufacturers would love that, though.
The real reason factories are free and labs are not is because it is a literal pain in the arse to lock up a factory. Production is done quickly, and mineral costs are high.
A battleship takes almost no time to produce. Mineral costs are high, though, so the majority of people cannot lock up a factory by producing an endless stream of battleships. What of ammunition, then? You can produce enough ammunition in a day to fight a war for a month. Lower mineral costs are offset by even lower production times.
You can attempt to cut your losses and only do one run per rental period, just enough to keep the factory active. Fine and dandy - there's the problem, people actually have to go visit the stations where they own factories at least once a rental period then! If they bite the bullet, go the expensive route, and attempt constant production, they must cart many industrials worth of minerals to the station. They can try buy orders, but that risks the orders not being fulfilled in time and - yes, a visit to the station!
Take labs. Research times are high. No, I do not believe they should be lowered, but this is part of the real problem. What do you do to lock up a lab?
You pay the rent, which again, is a non-factor. You do a quick one-run of small ammunition and sacrifice a goat so you don't get the infamous bug(tm) that'll boot you out of your lab slot.
You then set a shuttle or something on a few trillion runs and forget about it for ages, save for clicking 'pay bill' every so often. Visit the station? Hah! Who needs to make an arduous journey twenty three jumps to the middle of nowhere to do that?
Lower the maximum number of research runs that can be ordered at one time. People will be inconvenienced, people will say, "Screw this," and lab slots will open. When lab slots open, people will think, "Gee, what do I need to keep that slot for? If I ever do get that Titan BPO from the Tech 32 lottery, I'll just get another one." More slots open.
And then pirates and miners will dance hand in hand in a circle, while singing happy songs and strewing flowers all over the place.
Okay, maybe not. But it'll do far more than playing with rent will.
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Having recently acquired a lab slot (thank you, rental bug), I wholeheartily concur, there's absolutely no problem with lab slots! |
Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.29 01:17:00 -
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Well I think a player should only be able to rent as many slots as they can use. I cant honestly say I know how it works now. I know I have lab operation lvl 5 so I can "use" 6 or maybe its 5. But how many I can rent I have no idea I never tried renting more then 3 or 4 at a time.
And player owned structures will allow research outposts. Hopefully CCP allows corporations to put down POS in empire. This way a empire corp can put down a POS in empire with a research facility. Like .4 and under. BUt you cant maybe do illegal research unless you hold an outpost in non empire 0.0 space. No idea if Shiva will bring more research slot availability.
I will bet that raising the rent prices will help though. Not everyone will want to keep their inactive labs by paying a few million a week to keep them. On chaos anyways the new rent is 500k per week. But that couldnt be right.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.29 01:17:00 -
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Well I think a player should only be able to rent as many slots as they can use. I cant honestly say I know how it works now. I know I have lab operation lvl 5 so I can "use" 6 or maybe its 5. But how many I can rent I have no idea I never tried renting more then 3 or 4 at a time.
And player owned structures will allow research outposts. Hopefully CCP allows corporations to put down POS in empire. This way a empire corp can put down a POS in empire with a research facility. Like .4 and under. BUt you cant maybe do illegal research unless you hold an outpost in non empire 0.0 space. No idea if Shiva will bring more research slot availability.
I will bet that raising the rent prices will help though. Not everyone will want to keep their inactive labs by paying a few million a week to keep them. On chaos anyways the new rent is 500k per week. But that couldnt be right.
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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.07.29 09:56:00 -
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You just have to keep looking. I currently have 4 slots at one station, and a 5th at my corp HQ. The 4 slots are in low sec space though. The only high sec slot I have found was in a .9
I immediatly grabbed it of course, but since I could not run it it was transfered to a very happy friend who didn't have any slots at all.
As for shuttles...all 5 of my slots are tied up for the next month or so minimum, and not a one of them has a shuttle bpo in it. So much research to be done...and my BPO collection keeps expanding
(maybe one of these days I'll own some worth having lol)
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.07.29 09:56:00 -
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You just have to keep looking. I currently have 4 slots at one station, and a 5th at my corp HQ. The 4 slots are in low sec space though. The only high sec slot I have found was in a .9
I immediatly grabbed it of course, but since I could not run it it was transfered to a very happy friend who didn't have any slots at all.
As for shuttles...all 5 of my slots are tied up for the next month or so minimum, and not a one of them has a shuttle bpo in it. So much research to be done...and my BPO collection keeps expanding
(maybe one of these days I'll own some worth having lol)
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
-Napoleon Bonaparte |
Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.29 10:01:00 -
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Dynamic slot fees, or commodity upkeep. Problem solved.
I just hope they fix it fast.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.29 10:01:00 -
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Dynamic slot fees, or commodity upkeep. Problem solved.
I just hope they fix it fast.
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Garrack
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Posted - 2004.07.30 01:02:00 -
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<cough>
Our corp is selling research services, FYI.
Yes, we're on the level, but no it isn't cheap.
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Garrack
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Posted - 2004.07.30 01:02:00 -
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<cough>
Our corp is selling research services, FYI.
Yes, we're on the level, but no it isn't cheap.
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Epiales
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Posted - 2004.08.02 02:47:00 -
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Edited by: Epiales on 02/08/2004 02:48:35
This guy sure does like to Bit*h |
Epiales
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Posted - 2004.08.02 02:47:00 -
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Edited by: Epiales on 02/08/2004 02:48:35
This guy sure does like to Bit*h |
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