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Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:23:00 -
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Alot of people don't seem to fly it for pvp and this makes me sad. I only know of a couple people who fly it in Gallente Militia. Most people would rather fly the SFI.
Curious to know why you wouldn't fly it?
I can see it shining in plex fights especially in a medium plex which limits ships to T1 class or faction (no T2). In what other situations can the VNI shine?
:) |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
Villore Accords
170
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:33:00 -
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well one ever a Gila or Ishtar isn't the better ship? That's its bag in a nut shell.
I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.04.18 16:18:00 -
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Small Drone Bandwidth.
CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
314
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Posted - 2012.04.18 16:27:00 -
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You asked the wrong question - what's right with it? :) |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
Villore Accords
170
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Posted - 2012.04.18 16:40:00 -
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At the end of the day it just cost to much.
I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
Lost Greybeard
Fenrir's Dogs of War
Union 0f Revolution
22
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Posted - 2012.04.18 16:59:00 -
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It's not as much better than a regular vexor as it is more expensive. The Ishtar isn't so much more expensive that it's not a better choice for the amount of improvement.
Basically, bad return on investment. The ship itself isn't bad as such though. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1549
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Posted - 2012.04.18 17:06:00 -
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I don't like it because the drone bandwidth and drone bay are both too small. It needs 125m^3 drone bandwidth and at least a 200m^3 drone bay. A touch more fittings, speed, and agility would also be nice.
A few years back I spent a long time in a nano Ishtar solo PVPing, but these days drone performance is just utterly underwhelming when compared to turrets and missiles. I don't even think its just a matter of my flying style, but I don't deny that it could be. Here's a couple of recent experiences with the Ishtar, which IMO is just flat better at everything the Vexor Navy tries to do:
- About a week ago I took an Ishtar into a 9v1 where they had Abso, Astarte, bingers, canes, drakes, and a Rook. All I accomplished in that fight was driving the Rook off the field and getting out at about half structure.
- A corp mate tried a different Ishtar fit featuring drone nav comps and his Warriors literally could not track a MWDing interceptor. He ended up losing it because he capped out and his contribution to the fight would have been much higher had he been flying something else.
Yeah... just unacceptable performance TBH.
-Liang
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Villore Accords
163
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Posted - 2012.04.18 17:08:00 -
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Great ROI for FW pilots. Great armor tanker, great knife fighter - if it can get into range.
Anyways, it's "problem" is gimped PG/CPU. To fit it up with decent guns you need to use those two extra low slots on fitting mods - so you end up with a T1 cruiser with 1.5 baseline EHP. I suspect the SFI can fit up 425's pretty easily.
Edit: yeah, you can fit a cookie cutter SFI with 425mm's with no real fitting issues. |
Alara IonStorm
2002
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Posted - 2012.04.18 18:08:00 -
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Well an Armor fit Vexor is on average...
- Slower then a Shield Cane.
- Less Damage then a Hurricane if it fits the same tank.
- Less Cap then a Hurricane and can't fit Med Neutralizers
- Has the same to less Tank then a Shield Cane
- To do Gun Damage it has to physically move into knife range where it can be scrammed and webbed and when it gets there it still does less damage then a Cane.
All that for more ISK then a Hurricane with no insurance. Sure it has a better Sig Rad and Scan Res but there are a bunch of Cruisers that also have that and are faster then the Cane. The SFI for instance.
It's an expensive ship that is only better against things that can hit the Hurricane and not it. Even then much better options for that. |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill
EVE Animal Control
203
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Posted - 2012.04.18 18:48:00 -
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It's expensive and it's a drone boat. Two things that don't work well for PVP. |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
Villore Accords
170
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Posted - 2012.04.19 02:16:00 -
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Fine I'll get and fly one till it go's pop.
I'm caldari blooded so it will be nano, rails, and hum....... may be shield tanked.
With any luck it won't make it to Monday morning
I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
Crellion
Parental Control
13
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Posted - 2012.04.19 06:56:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:I don't like it because the drone bandwidth and drone bay are both too small. It needs 125m^3 drone bandwidth and at least a 200m^3 drone bay. A touch more fittings, speed, and agility would also be nice.
A few years back I spent a long time in a nano Ishtar solo PVPing, but these days drone performance is just utterly underwhelming when compared to turrets and missiles. I don't even think its just a matter of my flying style, but I don't deny that it could be. Here's a couple of recent experiences with the Ishtar, which IMO is just flat better at everything the Vexor Navy tries to do:
- About a week ago I took an Ishtar into a 9v1 where they had Abso, Astarte, bingers, canes, drakes, and a Rook. All I accomplished in that fight was driving the Rook off the field and getting out at about half structure.
- A corp mate tried a different Ishtar fit featuring drone nav comps and his Warriors literally could not track a MWDing interceptor. He ended up losing it because he capped out and his contribution to the fight would have been much higher had he been flying something else.
Yeah... just unacceptable performance TBH.
-Liang
Best drone boat to use against ceptors wiath highest applied drone dps on them.... Rapier! Known factamundo 
On topic: its a fun ship to fly and will out 1v1 an Ishtar often (not GIla that's too much tank to chew through). It also outdoes an Ishtar in specific fits such as: designated small gang dps, sniper (iffy), greener... |
Duchess Starbuckington
Starbuckington Manor
169
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Posted - 2012.04.19 12:56:00 -
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Well what exactly does the Navy Vexor do that other ships can't, and better? |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Villore Accords
165
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:00:00 -
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Duchess Starbuckington wrote:Well what exactly does the Navy Vexor do that other ships can't, and better?
Fight at warp ins of medium FW plexes when facing lots of e-war (tds, ecm, etc..). Best cost/performance ratio for a FW pilot who purchases them with LP. |
Waylan Yutani
The Ghost Division
24
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:08:00 -
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Duchess Starbuckington wrote:Well what exactly does the Navy Vexor do that other ships can't, and better?
Attract more fights ? |
axxeessee
Trade and Supplies Co.
7
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Posted - 2012.04.19 20:40:00 -
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Crellion wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:I don't like it because the drone bandwidth and drone bay are both too small. It needs 125m^3 drone bandwidth and at least a 200m^3 drone bay. A touch more fittings, speed, and agility would also be nice.
A few years back I spent a long time in a nano Ishtar solo PVPing, but these days drone performance is just utterly underwhelming when compared to turrets and missiles. I don't even think its just a matter of my flying style, but I don't deny that it could be. Here's a couple of recent experiences with the Ishtar, which IMO is just flat better at everything the Vexor Navy tries to do:
- About a week ago I took an Ishtar into a 9v1 where they had Abso, Astarte, bingers, canes, drakes, and a Rook. All I accomplished in that fight was driving the Rook off the field and getting out at about half structure.
- A corp mate tried a different Ishtar fit featuring drone nav comps and his Warriors literally could not track a MWDing interceptor. He ended up losing it because he capped out and his contribution to the fight would have been much higher had he been flying something else.
Yeah... just unacceptable performance TBH.
-Liang Best drone boat to use against ceptors wiath highest applied drone dps on them.... Rapier! Known factamundo On topic: its a fun ship to fly and will out 1v1 an Ishtar often (not GIla that's too much tank to chew through). It also outdoes an Ishtar in specific fits such as: designated small gang dps, sniper (iffy), greener...
Hi Im the vigilant
OT : As its been said, expensive for what it does, you can get close to the same performance in a normal vexor, and you get way better with ishtar/gila, so theres no point in buying them really. |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
229
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Posted - 2012.04.19 20:45:00 -
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Waylan Yutani wrote:Duchess Starbuckington wrote:Well what exactly does the Navy Vexor do that other ships can't, and better? Attract more fights ?
This along with XG is probably the best answer. The VNI can tank alot of damage at a warp inside a plex. (yeah, I know most of the people don't do FW so this situation may not be relevant for you)
But bringing out the Ishtar/Gila may not bait people into a fight. However, if you bring out the VNI, people are more likely to fight you. You can tank the damage until the cavalry arrives.
:) |
Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Villore Accords
55
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Posted - 2012.04.19 21:11:00 -
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With the drone damage mods coming in the next patch, the VNI with 6 low slots is going to deserve a new evaluation. (this assumes, perhaps incorrectly, that it is a low slot mod). |
Perihelion Olenard
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:04:00 -
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I'm a bit disappointed that it doesn't have a larger drone bay to hold more drones. I think the bandwidth is fine since it also gets another turret hardpoint. However, if you choose to utilize the full bandwidth, you cannot hold any more drones. As stated before it suffers from major powergrid problems like many gallente ships. You'd have to use an additional low slot or two just to fit what you need on it. All this negates it's advantage over the vexor. |
Perihelion Olenard
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:09:00 -
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Hrett wrote:With the drone damage mods coming in the next patch, the VNI with 6 low slots is going to deserve a new evaluation. (this assumes, perhaps incorrectly, that it is a low slot mod).
What? Drones are getting a module that boosts their damage? It's about time, CCP, if it's true. I have a feeling that it may be a high slot module, though. If it is, the megathron could potentially put out more damage with that utility high slot boosting the damage of the ogres. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1138
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Posted - 2012.04.20 12:35:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Yeah... just unacceptable performance TBH.
This sums it up about most drone ships, plus you need to love the almost anti dynamic way of flying drone ships, I just hate that.
Seems drone ships and drones themselves are getting some sort of boost, actually I'm not even interested to know how or if it's true. Drone sips are just painful.
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Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Villore Accords
55
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Posted - 2012.04.20 13:38:00 -
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I can't link it because I'm on my phone, but I found a legit looking data pull that said it was a low slot mod. The one I saw was meta 3 with +21% damage. Who knows if it's accurate, but it sounds promising. |
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