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TheBigRedMachine	Posted - 2009.01.21 15:19:00 - [1] just need some info on solo fit and gang fit.... thx alot
sAyArrrr Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.01.21 15:27:00 - [2] Just like before QR, just pack a neut in the 6th highslot. And dual nanofiber in the lows.
Sayuri Mei	Posted - 2009.01.21 15:33:00 - [3] 220mm guns ?
arbalesttom Rulers Of Mankind	Posted - 2009.01.21 15:50:00 - [4] Yap, 220mm II's. *Sig*
Faife Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.01.21 16:22:00 - [5] don't bother speed rigging. same otherwise.
Sarkiss Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.21 16:36:00 - [6] I used Dual180's for the extra tracking and rig it with either EM/Thermal Shield res rigs or ambits.
ArmyOfMe 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.21 16:39:00 - [7] Originally by: Sarkiss I used Dual180's for the extra tracking and rig it with either EM/Thermal Shield res rigs or ambits. em rigs on a vaga???
Oscar Fedora FM Corp	Posted - 2009.01.21 16:44:00 - [8] Edited by: Oscar Fedora on 21/01/2009 16:44:04 resist in de rigs and that's it... i fly it with a mwd cap stable so i fear the "fearsom-mwd-scramming-inty" _________________________________________ Symbaloo - start simpel http://www.symbaloo.com/
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.01.21 16:46:00 - [9] Probably the least affected HAC post nano nerf TBH. I'd fit ambits instead of speed rigs, the extra range will help you out. Whereas before if you pimped your ship a bit you could get away with having a single web on you hitting overload and burning away, maybe coming back and giving the offender a 30km bump before burning into the sunset giving v signs and sipping a ****tail. Now, even with the reduced effectiveness webs are dangerous to a vaga, especially combined with a scram. Also, em shield rigs, lol. Maybe go for a kinetic rig and an ambit if you're in guristas space. [Vagabond, New Setup 1] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Projectile Ambit Extension I Projectile Ambit Extension I Calm Your Passion
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:13:00 - [10] heh heh... I stick a 100MN MWD II in the mid, all the mods required to fit it, and a full snake set... 10kms! Nano hasn't die...it's just impratical

SecHaul	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:22:00 - [11] Originally by: Sarkiss I used Dual180's for the extra tracking and rig it with either EM/Thermal Shield res rigs or ambits. The 180's over the 220's seem a bit counter-intuitive for a ship that orbits at 20+km with falloff rigs. The tracking bonus only provides a benefit if you are fighting small ships at very high speeds (intys with transveral), otherwise track better at 5km and do ~5% less damage from 10km onward on cruiser sized targets. And let's be honest, if an inty gets a scram on you, neither gun is tracking once he gets into a tight orbit. That's where you rely upon the neut to get out. It's a balance, but in it's average role I think the advantage of the 220's outweighs the advantages of the 180's.
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:45:00 - [12] Originally by: SecHaul Originally by: Sarkiss I used Dual180's for the extra tracking and rig it with either EM/Thermal Shield res rigs or ambits. The 180's over the 220's seem a bit counter-intuitive for a ship that orbits at 20+km with falloff rigs. The tracking bonus only provides a benefit if you are fighting small ships at very high speeds (intys with transveral), otherwise track better at 5km and do ~5% less damage from 10km onward on cruiser sized targets. And let's be honest, if an inty gets a scram on you, neither gun is tracking once he gets into a tight orbit. That's where you rely upon the neut to get out. It's a balance, but in it's average role I think the advantage of the 220's outweighs the advantages of the 180's. You need good rigging skills to fit ambits and 220s. 180s chew through ammo quick but the fall off is exactly the same and the differences in optimal and DPS are negligable.
Sarkiss Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:57:00 - [13] Originally by: ArmyOfMe Originally by: Sarkiss I used Dual180's for the extra tracking and rig it with either EM/Thermal Shield res rigs or ambits. em rigs on a vaga??? I know your thinking that the base EM Res is high enough, but the amount of people that will use EM Missiles etc, plus the amount of Amarr around now using Scorch (One of the few weapon systems that'll hit out to your range for decent damage) it's more practical to use EM/Thermal rigs, or just use ambits.
SecHaul	Posted - 2009.01.21 20:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler You need good rigging skills to fit ambits and 220s. 180s chew through ammo quick but the fall off is exactly the same and the differences in optimal and DPS are negligable. If you fit the neut, you won't be getting on 220's anyway with a dual LSE / ambit set up even with perfect skills. I agree that the differences in optimal is negligable, however I disagree that the DPS is negligable, it's approximately 6-9% (5km - 20km). 9% additional damage at 20km ignoring the additional difference overheat will make. 10%+ damage is not 'negligable' at standard operating range, that's the difference between 1 Vaga ending the fight with no shields, and the other being popped, or the difference between having specialization 0 vs specialization 5, or ROF 3 vs ROF 5, or... As you can see, it's actually worth quite a lot ;)
Mou'adib Gallente Fluffy Rabbit Killers	Posted - 2009.01.21 20:58:00 - [15] why fit the neut if your going to be flying outside its range anyways. might as well drop it and go for the bigger gun.
Stab Wounds Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.01.21 21:17:00 - [16] [Vagabond, armor tank] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Hail M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Hail M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Hail M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Hail M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Hail M [empty high slot] Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Hobgoblin II x5 370 DPS 411 Sustained Defence.
Ptolomey Incognito Masters of Assonance	Posted - 2009.01.21 21:28:00 - [17] Originally by: Stab Wounds [Vagabond, armor tank] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Hail M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Hail M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Hail M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Hail M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Hail M [empty high slot] Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Hobgoblin II x5 370 DPS 411 Sustained Defence. Fly a Sac? Seriously. Or at least a Fleet stabber, it almost makes sense for the fleet stabber to Armor tank... almost. Though you get points for, "WTF?" reactions when people expect you to instapop once inside web range. I fit it the same as I did pre-QR, just swapped for Ambits.
SecHaul	Posted - 2009.01.21 22:01:00 - [18] Edited by: SecHaul on 21/01/2009 22:01:07 Originally by: Mou'adib why fit the neut if your going to be flying outside its range anyways. might as well drop it and go for the bigger gun. 1.) 425's, even with the 6th high empty, do not fit with ambit rigs. You will need to drop additional mods to fit 425's 2.) 220's with a heavy missile launcher in the 6th high does more DPS than 5x 425's; greater DPS and greater tracking guns. 3.) 425's really, really struggle to track. I love them on my cane when fighting larger targets that are locked down, but on a fast moving platform like a Vaga, not sure I want to go there even if they did fit.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2009.01.21 22:55:00 - [19] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 21/01/2009 22:55:17 Y-T8 Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive > 10MN Microwarpdrive II ambit rigs / resist rigs, 2-3 gyro, 2-3 speedmods deadspace mwd / 28km or 30km point = pimp armor tank = fail
P'uck	Posted - 2009.01.21 23:02:00 - [20] All it can take is a friggin shortrange scram and an ounce of bad judgement/luck, and it's dead, I suppose. Sooooooo.... is there any merit to dropping an LSE for an AB? I mean, it gives me the shivers in a bad way to even think about it.... but.... does it worketh? Does it payeth off? Or what about a nicely skilled TD instead of the second LSE?

Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2009.01.21 23:07:00 - [21] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 21/01/2009 23:12:11 Scrams arent that much of a danger tbh, a neut in highs is all you need to dispatch AFs quick. Closest to being owned by AFs I ever got was being scrambled by 2, but they both died without the need to use my neut. A bit of maneuvering and you get a nice hit on them, only takes 3 of those to kill. Edit: and use the proper damage type ofc, amarr AFs laugh at barrage but melt if you use rf phased plasma.
Solid Prefekt Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.01.22 02:27:00 - [22] With the Vaga going about 3km/s slower (from 6km/s to 3km/s) it was heavily effected by the last patch. Now you do maybe 1km/s more then other Hacs. The old cookie cutter fit is useless (2 polys, 2 nanos, 1 od) because of the new double stacking penalty of polys/nanos. So what you got is extra lows/rigs and I have seen people do all types of things with them. I have yet to see an obvious clear cookie cutter setup. Some would say this is a good thing. You definitely see a greater variety of Vaga ships, some even put an AB on it. The ship is weak though. Been tracking the stats on the small gang roams I have been doing and the zealots and Ishtars consistently out damage the Vagas by 20-30%. All we got now is about 1k/ms more then the other ships. Whoopee.


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