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Clawson	Posted - 2009.01.21 15:44:00 - [1] Does anyone know whats going on with rig parts at the moment? The price has fluctuated upwards alot in the few past days. Rig manufacturing is being affected by this.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.01.21 15:52:00 - [2] Originally by: Clawson Does anyone know whats going on with rig parts at the moment? The price has fluctuated upwards alot in the few past days. One or several of the following: a) drop rates changed (unlikely, CCP would have anounced it and you'd also see a volume decrease in circuits traded) b) higher demand for rigs using it (unlikely, price of rigs would go up first only then dragging circuits up) c) somebody wanted a huge load of circuits for self-use so he bought all off (possible, but "meh") d) somebody is manipulating the market (very likely) Quote: Rig manufacturing is being affected by this. No, it's not. Just pass it on to the end-user. Oh, you mean, "I can't build at prices below those for sale" ? Then you have a nice buy-and-relist opportunity. That, or simply wait and don't manufacture until prices settle.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.01.21 15:56:00 - [3] You'll find that many of the rig parts are linked together with each other, if I remember right, BLC are heavily used in the energy grid and shield rigs. Ancillary router, core defense, etc... Supply is also pretty static since the heaviest BLC drops come from either Blood Raiders or Serpentis. Guristas and Sansha drop BLCs obviously just not to the same degree as other rats, so we have a pretty static supply. Look at the market history and you'll see that short spikes with quick recoveries are actually pretty common for the three bulk used salvage parts. Burn Logic Fried Interface Tripped Power
Midas Man Caldari Dzark Asylum	Posted - 2009.01.21 15:56:00 - [4] Edited by: Midas Man on 21/01/2009 15:57:46 Originally by: Akita T d) somebody is manipulating the market (very likely) ^^ This Burned Logic and Fried Interface are the easy materials in the game to manipulate. Edit - Tripped aswell as pointed out by Kazzac above
Utomin	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:27:00 - [5] If you look at the price history for fried interface circuit and tripped power circuit both have gone up for at least 6months. Eve central is showing burned logic circuit Volume for sale 136k units and Volume buying 2.4mil thats around 17 times more buy power then sales.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:44:00 - [6] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 21/01/2009 17:44:19 Originally by: Akita T a) drop rates changed (unlikely, CCP would have anounced it and you'd also see a volume decrease in circuits traded) b) higher demand for rigs using it (unlikely, price of rigs would go up first only then dragging circuits up) c) somebody wanted a huge load of circuits for self-use so he bought all off (possible, but "meh") d) somebody is manipulating the market (very likely) Not quite, pumpkin (may I call you pumpkin?). The exact info will cost you 50 mills. But because you have such a big mouth I'll lower it to 25. Deal? Black Sun Empire
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:11:00 - [7] Originally by: Midas Man Edited by: Midas Man on 21/01/2009 15:57:46 Originally by: Akita T d) somebody is manipulating the market (very likely) ^^ This Burned Logic and Fried Interface are the easy materials in the game to manipulate. Edit - Tripped aswell as pointed out by Kazzac above After looking at it, I'll jump on the manipulation bandwagon as well. Supply for these three items is pretty static, unless people suddenly start favoring Federated Navy again for some reason.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.01.21 19:36:00 - [8] Originally by: YouGotRipped I'll lower it to 25. Deal? 25.00 ISK ? Hmm, now that's an offer I can't refuse. Can I pay you after I verify the info ?
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.01.21 20:00:00 - [9] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 21/01/2009 20:01:23 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: YouGotRipped I'll lower it to 25. Deal? 25.00 ISK ? Hmm, now that's an offer I can't refuse. Can I pay you after I verify the info ? Hmm, let me think for a moment. Deal! You will get what bits of info 25 isk will cover though. Someone is attempting to buy daily as much BLCs and other raw materials as possible (high price) knowing full well that it will diminish the resources pool available for the rest of the competition. The result is 400+ pieces sell orders of CCCs that are sold over night (the bastards is also active at night and updates his multiple pieces orders constantly). Black Sun Empire
Tasko Pal Heron Corporation	Posted - 2009.01.21 21:58:00 - [10] There also was some noise (by a CCP employee) about allowing t1 salvage being somehow refinable to t2 salvage, perhaps in time for the March expansion. I think this has been pushing up somewhat the price of the cheaper t1 salvage over the last couple of months.
nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2009.01.21 22:12:00 - [11] Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 21/01/2009 20:28:30 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: YouGotRipped I'll lower it to 25. Deal? 25.00 ISK ? Hmm, now that's an offer I can't refuse. Can I pay you after I verify the info ? Hmm, let me think for a moment. Deal! You will get what bits of info 25 isk will cover though. Someone is attempting to buy daily as much BLCs and other raw materials as possible (high price) knowing full well that it will diminish the resources pool available for the rest of the competition. The result is 400+ pieces sell orders of CCCs that are sold over night. I'll reserve 10 ISK of that pending audit. --------------------
ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.01.21 22:19:00 - [12] You guys ever think that pricing may go up just because someone with some cash wanted to break into the market?
Midas Man Caldari Dzark Asylum	Posted - 2009.01.22 13:51:00 - [13] Originally by: ShadowandLight You guys ever think that pricing may go up just because someone with some cash wanted to break into the market? One guy entering the market would have an upwards effect but only slight and would level out quickly, However if someone want the price up and has money to spare, buying large volumes and sitting on them for periods spanning weeks will start to push prices way up.
MailDeadDrop Globaltech Industries	Posted - 2009.01.22 14:32:00 - [14] Originally by: ShadowandLight You guys ever think that pricing may go up just because someone with some cash wanted to break into the market? Originally by: Midas Man One guy entering the market would have an upwards effect but only slight and would level out quickly, However if someone want the price up and has money to spare, buying large volumes and sitting on them for periods spanning weeks will start to push prices way up. That was my first reaction, too, MM. And then I realized that perhaps Shadow was suggesting that someone was trying to break into the rigs market, and was buying the components from the market, building, then selling the finished product. Since much of the value invested in the components is recouped in the sale of the rig, this has a magnifying effect on a much (MUCH!) smaller initial investment (versus simple outright manipulation of the components). :shrug: MDD
Midas Man Caldari Dzark Asylum	Posted - 2009.01.22 16:49:00 - [15] Originally by: MailDeadDrop That was my first reaction, too, MM. And then I realized that perhaps Shadow was suggesting that someone was trying to break into the rigs market, and was buying the components from the market, building, then selling the finished product. Since much of the value invested in the components is recouped in the sale of the rig, this has a magnifying effect on a much (MUCH!) smaller initial investment (versus simple outright manipulation of the components). :shrug: MDD This would also cause upward pressure but I still think it would be small quick price spike. Because a manufacture would buy minerals for large batches of production, production time is short on rigs but they also have the time to sell product in a competative market which takes time, so unless it was someone trying to take a large part of the market for rigs i cannot see the price rises we are seeing. When I have manipulated the salvage materials i have always manipulated the rig market first for the most popular rigs made with the component I am trying to increase. After manipulating the rig market ( by buying existing stock in bulk and relisting higher) You see a massive influx of buy orders on the component as manufactures scramble to restock the rigs and take advantage of the new High profits. You can then use a few large orders to slowly draw the buy order price of the components up. If your twitchy enough the manufacturer will start buying from sell orders because there is still profit in the higher price rigs. Done correctly you can make a killing on this.

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