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dead grape
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Posted - 2009.01.22 17:27:00 -
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So, I went and was an evil pirate and popped this guy running a mission in low sec in his typhoon. As I poor over the wreak some competitors drop out of warp and get the drop on me, and I go pop.
Well I'm all flashy red with global agro, yet I get kill rights to 1 of the 3 in the pirate gang (the other 2 were flashy red from sec status so that may be why I didn't get kill rights to them), and to the poor carebare I popped, as he was on my kill mail.
Now my understanding from online help is that only people who are on my kill mail and got global agro for doing so would result in me being granted kill rights.
What gives? As I had global agro I didn't think I should get kill rights to anyone. how did that happen? I'm obviously missing some aspect to this game mechanic. As a bonus the mission dude has no kill rights on me, I guess him showing up on my loss mail counted as him fulfilling his kill rights.
But hey I'm happy cuss now I get to locate the mission dude and pop him in high sec.
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Grunanca
Mean Corp
Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2009.01.22 17:32:00 -
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If he shoots back he will not get killrights. I dont see why you should get killrights, unless the mission runner actually shoot at you first, leaving him with criminal instead of you.
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H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.01.22 17:34:00 -
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Why care about kill rights? You are flashy red, so everyone can (try to) kill you without repercussions. Furthermore you chose a play style that allows you to engage anything without thinking about repercussions, your sec status will not get any lower than -10.
I have no idea how kill rights really work with red flashies and after the first excitement I never again checked kill rights as they tend to lag me out badly.
My opinion is purely personal and not related to my alliance |
dead grape
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Posted - 2009.01.22 17:35:00 -
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 Originally by: H Lecter
Why care about kill rights?
Cuss they allow me to go kill this guy in high sec. How awesome is that? |
H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.01.22 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: dead grape
Originally by: H Lecter
Why care about kill rights?
Cuss they allow me to go kill this guy in high sec. How awesome is that?
Then I misread your post - thought you were red flashy by your sec status but you only had GCC from your aggression.
Of course you can chase him in hisec, but killing people you have no right to kill is sometimes even more fun and will probably take less time. In losec everyone is your target, searching for that single person in hisec is hardly worth it. Chances are that you will find him travelling in a shuttle and even if you catch him, get nothing but a killmail.
But I guess you have some history with that guy, so enjoy the hunt m8 
My opinion is purely personal and not related to my alliance |
Sol'Kanar
Minmatar
SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2009.01.22 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: H Lecter
Of course you can chase him in hisec, but killing people you have no right to kill is sometimes even more fun and will probably take less time. In losec everyone is your target, searching for that single person in hisec is hardly worth it. Chances are that you will find him travelling in a shuttle and even if you catch him, get nothing but a killmail.
But I guess you have some history with that guy, so enjoy the hunt m8
Hunting specific targets in hi-sec requires a LOT of patience and some creative thinking. Of course, when you get the kill you wanted because you were methodical, it's very, VERY satisfying. |
dead grape
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Posted - 2009.01.22 18:23:00 -
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yes killing is satisfying, and I will pop this mo fo in high sec. but the question wasn't really should I go kill him, as obviously I should.
The question is how did I go and pop this guy in low sec and yet come away with kill rights on him? can I repeat such a wonderful thing? |
Sol'Kanar
Minmatar
SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2009.01.22 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: dead grape
yes killing is satisfying, and I will pop this mo fo in high sec. but the question wasn't really should I go kill him, as obviously I should.
The question is how did I go and pop this guy in low sec and yet come away with kill rights on him? can I repeat such a wonderful thing?
I don't know. I had a similar situation a month or so back, and I don't understand how I ended up with kill rights. But I did have them, and I managed to tag this.
If you can figure out how, I'd sure as hell like to know. 
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H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.01.22 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: dead grape
The question is how did I go and pop this guy in low sec and yet come away with kill rights on him? can I repeat such a wonderful thing?
The only way I could imagine is that he aggressed first which leads to kill rights when you're not yet red flashy.
My opinion is purely personal and not related to my alliance |
oodin
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.22 19:02:00 -
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your story is impossible...unless its a bug killrights doesnt work like that!! |
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Yashiri
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Posted - 2009.01.22 19:16:00 -
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as long as you don't shoot back/generally agress the person shooting you and they pod you, you get kill rights. it's not rocket science...
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dead grape
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Posted - 2009.01.22 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: dead grape on 22/01/2009 20:40:44
Originally by: Yashiri
as long as you don't shoot back/generally agress the person shooting you and they pod you, you get kill rights. it's not rocket science...
as the link to the help that I posted in the OP clearly states
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Note: no kill rights are given for being pod-killed.
and I have not podded or been podded by any of the individuals that I have kill rights on, or have kill rights on me. I'd say it is not about if "they pod you".
And for not being rocket science it would seem you clearly don't get it. :-p
Edit: And this isn't a question on how the kill rights are meant to work, that is quite clear. I'm saying I ganked the crap out of this guy and got global agro. Then a few minutes later I died in another fight and he is on my loss mail for the lil bit of damage he did in self defense. And I now have kill rights to him. He did not shoot first cuss I got global agro, I shot hit him first.
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Yashiri
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Posted - 2009.01.22 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: dead grape
Edit: And this isn't a question on how the kill rights are meant to work, that is quite clear. I'm saying I ganked the crap out of this guy and got global agro. Then a few minutes later I died in another fight and he is on my loss mail for the lil bit of damage he did in self defense. And I now have kill rights to him. He did not shoot first cuss I got global agro, I shot hit him first.
if he got back in another ship before you died then chances are that it registers that he was in a fight with you in the last 15 mins and you died, he inflicted damage on you within that time, thus nullifying his kill right, further if he was in a new ship, you did not agress that ship. thus you get kill rights. |
Sol'Kanar
Minmatar
SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2009.01.22 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Yashiri
as long as you don't shoot back/generally agress the person shooting you and they pod you, you get kill rights. it's not rocket science...
This is incorrect. Under normal circumstances, you get killrights for ship kills when only one party aggresses. A pod kill is not required to get killrights on someone.
It would be quite interesting if you could figure out how to get killrights on someone you were initially blinking to. |
Scopique
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Posted - 2009.01.23 08:28:00 -
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In the first fight, you aggroed him and he shot back. You received some damage but killed him anyway. A little bit later, the second fight started. According to your killmail from the 2nd fight, the damage the first guy did to you is also taken into account for the second fight. So in the second fight, that led to your ship being blown up, he did damage to you without you shooting back at him. Obviously, that's the reason you got kill rights on him.
So, is it possible to blow someone up, quickly jump into a shuttle and get killed by a friend to get kill rights to the first victim? Sounds like unintended... but fun nonetheless. :) |
Kanya Nague
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.23 12:28:00 -
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was he maybe involved in podding you or something?
When you shoot someone, they may shoot back and kill your ship, np.
Concord doesnt allow podkills though.
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Starnap
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Posted - 2009.01.23 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Scopique
So, is it possible to blow someone up, quickly jump into a shuttle and get killed by a friend to get kill rights to the first victim? Sounds like unintended... but fun nonetheless. :)
Would the damage from the first fight still show on the km if you had changed ships? |
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