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Elafos
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Posted - 2009.01.23 00:52:00 -
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Edited by: Elafos on 23/01/2009 00:54:34
Does anyone have any experience using sentry drones in the role of a sniper hac?
I realize a domi would be ideal, and much easier (CPU-wise) to fit, but consider the following ishtar fit with a sniper-hac gang:
Damage Control II
Signal Amplifier II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
F-90 Positional Signal Amplifier (replace maybe with nano for align time?)
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
10MN Afterburner II
Enfeebling Phase Inversion ECM I
'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty rig slot]
Sentry Damage Augmentor I
With HAC level IV this has enough drone control range/lock range to hit targets at 110km with Warden IIĘs.
With lack of a tank, the ECM is to ease my paranoia, disabling any vaga/captor that may get too close, with a 710km/s speed to out track any turrets. Your real vulnerability is: eagles or being blobbed/webbed.
The advantage of sentries is you can place them at appropriate distances, and move freely about the gate making it difficult for recons to get a warpin on your position.
I realize this is a bit unconventional, but the cookiecutter Ishtar setups of old are a bit dated.
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Brego Tralowski
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.23 05:52:00 -
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Yeah, it's something different and worth testing. Sometimes its good to think outside the box, however, I think you have to have great battlefield awareness with this setup. Haveing a ceptor creep up on you out of an enemy fleet could be a problem especially if the jamming cycles don't happen quick enough.
Have you tested this setup on corpies yet? |
Joss Sparq
Caldari
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.23 06:01:00 -
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I'm not an EFT warrior and I don't fly the Ishtar so I don't know how tight a squeeze your fittings are currently but as it has been pointed out, some smaller ships could potentially cause you trouble. Have you considered fitting some sort of Small Railgun and Nosferatu/Neutralizer combination for close defence? |
Splash Whale
Electric Monkey Overlords
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Posted - 2009.01.23 08:46:00 -
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Fitting ECM modules on an ishtar doesnt really sound clever to me.
ECM got nerfed on any ship thats not supposed to use it about 2 years ago, so you might want to fit something else there.
For the rest, the ishtar is quite a horrible sniper HAC since it's sentries dont really move that fast(almost 1ms!) and the advantage of sniper HAC's is usually the ability to get in and out of the same fight quickly. If you do that in an ishtar is kindof goes **** up when you run out of sentry drones to deploy.
If you're going with a sniper-hac gang just get a deimos with 250 rails, works much better. |
Elafos
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Posted - 2009.01.23 09:02:00 -
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Edited by: Elafos on 23/01/2009 09:03:23
I just got off the test server, some interesting findings:
* ECM is more effective then I thought. About half of the cruiser engagements got a cycle, enough for me to run away. Everything smaller then a cruiser got a cycle.
* Anything Mircrowarpdriving towards you (even at a tangent) gets melted if you are shooting from 100km away. Vagas included. For anything not microwarpdriving, it still hits but is much more sensitive to tangential speed; a target painter was a great tweak.
*Sentries are more then effective at alpha striking drones (this surprised me). This was a great help to gang members close in the fray.
And most interestingly:
Sentries continued to fire even when out of drone control range! I dont know if this is a bug, but if I was 150km away from sentries, but within DCU of my target (94km), it still hit.
The only time i died was when I was silly enough to let something get within web range and gank me. This, however, is the nature of snipers in general rather then specific to this strategy.
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Elafos
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Posted - 2009.01.23 09:07:00 -
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Edited by: Elafos on 23/01/2009 09:12:59
 Originally by: Splash Whale
Fitting ECM modules on an ishtar doesnt really sound clever to me.
ECM got nerfed on any ship thats not supposed to use it about 2 years ago, so you might want to fit something else there.
For the rest, the ishtar is quite a horrible sniper HAC since it's sentries dont really move that fast(almost 1ms!) and the advantage of sniper HAC's is usually the ability to get in and out of the same fight quickly. If you do that in an ishtar is kindof goes **** up when you run out of sentry drones to deploy.
If you're going with a sniper-hac gang just get a deimos with 250 rails, works much better.
Yes your ecm point is valid, but this is not an ECM ship. The fact remains, it *will* perma jam any (non eccm) minmitar ship that gets a jump on you, and will jam any ceptor that comes your way. Think of it as a tank in itself.
Youdo have a point with leaving sentry drones behind. However, with Garde's hitting at 40, I would out DPS any rail deimos. Even perhaps if im lucky get a jam cycle in.
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Euriti
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.23 09:09:00 -
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While the ship looks good on paper it just doesn't work in reality. The advantage of sniper hacs is their ability to move around the field and to warp off fast incase they get primaried. In either case the drones get left behind and to get them back you will have to move away from the group and then you will die.
Quote:
El'Tar > IM UR PET NOW
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Kirtan Loor
Divine Retribution
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.01.23 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Elafos
Sentries continued to fire even when out of drone control range! I dont know if this is a bug, but if I was 150km away from sentries, but within DCU of my target (94km), it still hit.
It is not a bug. It is supposed to work this way. The sentries may be 200km away from you. As long as your target is in your DCU limit your sentries will try to fire at him. There are some Domi setups that place wardens/bouncers far away from gate in 0.0 and stay at 0 from gate with a full rack of weapons and no DLA units. |
Aethras
Legion Infernal
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.01.23 12:19:00 -
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for all of you that posted if you had drones far far away and get tackled, you know there is a command to abandon drones and then being able to re-deploy new drones.
So if you have your heavys/sentrys at 60km and get tackled you can abandon them, deploy warriors and have a chance to survive. You can always get your abandoned drones when the fight is over (asuming your gang wins :P)
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xXxSatsujinxXx
Ascent of Ages
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.01.23 12:59:00 -
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[Ishtar, sniper]
Signal Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Sensor Booster II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Sentry Damage Augmentor I
[empty rig slot]
Warden II x5
Massive scan res, awesome tracking, 140km range, and great damage. :)
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Elafos
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Posted - 2009.01.23 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Euriti
While the ship looks good on paper it just doesn't work in reality. The advantage of sniper hacs is their ability to move around the field and to warp off fast incase they get primaried. In either case the drones get left behind and to get them back you will have to move away from the group and then you will die.
Although what you say is true, that does not mean it 'doesn't work'.
Potentially loosing drones (4.5mil for 5) to save your ship, at the expense of the extra DPS implied may, in some situations, be a fair tradeoff. In others perhaps not.
It does work, as long as you dont put the sentry-ishtar in the same boat as other sniper-hacs.
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Elafos
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Posted - 2009.01.23 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: xXxSatsujinxXx
[Ishtar, sniper]
Signal Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Sensor Booster II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Sentry Damage Augmentor I
[empty rig slot]
Warden II x5
Nice, but I would not be brave enough to fly this in a small gang.
It would be quite vunerable to actually getting shot at from a distance.
With speed mods in the lows + Afterburner, you dont have to worry about signature radius explosion, and you are fast enough for turrets not to track and to dictate distance. |
Euriti
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.23 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Elafos
Originally by: Euriti
While the ship looks good on paper it just doesn't work in reality. The advantage of sniper hacs is their ability to move around the field and to warp off fast incase they get primaried. In either case the drones get left behind and to get them back you will have to move away from the group and then you will die.
Although what you say is true, that does not mean it 'doesn't work'.
Potentially loosing drones (4.5mil for 5) to save your ship, at the expense of the extra DPS implied may, in some situations, be a fair tradeoff. In others perhaps not.
It does work, as long as you dont put the sentry-ishtar in the same boat as other sniper-hacs.
Well the whole concept of sniper hacs is the mobility and the ability to do drive-bys with constant warpins/warpouts that may happen any second and after 2-3 warpouts you are out of drones. Whenever I'm on an op like this we warp out ALOT more than 3 times. |
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