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W0t0n Kill4 Ruthless Aggression United Star Federation	Posted - 2009.01.23 16:04:00 - [1] Edited by: W0t0n Kill4 on 23/01/2009 16:06:40 CAREBEARS UNITE! Greetings fellow industrialists, I would like to announce the unveiling of an industry calculator of unprecedented functionality... Unfortunately, its not available yet. We are still in preliminary testing. About the Calculator: Fed up with using multiple workbooks to function as I needed, I decided to create my own. Like Doctor Frankenstein, I hacked up the available calculators that fit the functionality of this monster. Then I went one step further and applied my knowledge of supply chain management, attained through a business degree, to create my masterpiece, a hybrid of RL knowledge and EVE magnificence. After countless weeks of grunt work, from conception to implementation, a new level of industry management has been achieved. Functions: List to come soon. Screenshots: Will be linked when preliminary testing is complete. Availability: Beta-testing soon. I will need some testers.
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2009.01.23 16:10:00 - [2] I support these empty platitudes Seriously though, I'm interested to see this once it comes out. _______________ <Q> QUANT Hegemony Item Database
Lothris Andastar	Posted - 2009.01.23 18:57:00 - [3] Sign me up for the beta!
Ryak Knoxe Minmatar Infinity Explorations Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.23 19:37:00 - [4] Sign me up for Beta please
Alaris Nightshadow Otakus Society Revolution Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.23 20:33:00 - [5] I'd be interested in beta Testing this.
Ukumai	Posted - 2009.01.23 20:36:00 - [6] Beta me please!!
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2009.01.23 21:40:00 - [7] Suggestion, if you haven't already implemented it: add the option to sort buildable items by profit per slot-hour.
SencneS Amarr Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2009.01.23 22:01:00 - [8] I've been using EMMA Marketing tools to come up with a report of the profitability of the items I make and sell. It breaks down the items into materials volume. It then uses the market data I have to from the purchase of the material to get the cost price. In the end I'm left with a list of items and their cost analysis vs their market analysis. What it gets me is which item is the most profitable to make, which one yields the most ISK (Because sometimes the most ISK is not the largest margin). What I would like to see in this tools functions is a report that lists these two values for each item. Obviously your not going to have a market API data but for each item you should be able to enter a "What are you selling it for" price. It then produces a list of the top most profitable (Largest margin) items and the top most ISK returned. So for example.. Rockets have a huge margin they cost 1.2ISK to make and sell for as high as 9 ISK so their margin is massive. Where as Standard missiles have a much smaller margin but make more ISK per unit sold.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2009.01.23 22:16:00 - [9] Profit per slot-hour is a better measure overall, as long as you have enough isk / minerals to build as much as you want in parallel. If this becomes a constraining factor, you can use profit per slot-hour / (total capital costs per slot) --- Can't afford that BPO? Look here. 20:1 mineral compression The EVE f@h team
Elle D The Taco Stand	Posted - 2009.01.24 01:27:00 - [10] proof or stfu :p just kidding, looking forward to it!
Christopher Auir	Posted - 2009.01.24 02:34:00 - [11] This would be wonderful to have! Sign me up for the beta
Stonie Bandit Caldari 8lack Wing	Posted - 2009.01.24 10:15:00 - [12] Sign me up for the Beta
W0t0n Kill4 Ruthless Aggression United Star Federation	Posted - 2009.01.24 16:20:00 - [13] Thank you all for the insight and support. I am surprised, given the "vagueness" of this thread. You guys will be happy I think. I am going to attempt to incorporate the profit per slot hour, shouldn't be too difficult. I agree that is an important measure. Some more information about the calculator: Its in Excel 2007 format, for the conditional formatting, but should work with OpenOffice. Right now its about 2.5megs but I can zip it down to 7k with 7-zip. Beta-testers will get a unique password to unlock the workbook so you may tailor to your own needs. Yes, I did use the flimsy Excel password protect cells, because the workbook utilizes a lot of "hidden" text in neighboring cells and a page of pure calculations. There is room for 200+ unique prints (on base values sheet) and 40 unique materials on top of the 900 prints and 200 materials already filled in. I will be asking for an entrance fee (a very reasonable amount of isk) to be a beta-tester, only because you get an "unrestricted" version and... this is my baby, I poured a lot of time and energy into it.
Alanee'a Unakarakta	Posted - 2009.01.24 16:39:00 - [14] I am intressed to test your product. greets, ala ------------------ - - - -_^ send me eve-related links, and make ISK'ies @ www.3v3-online.com
Kamikazi ONE HeadBangers	Posted - 2009.01.24 19:39:00 - [15] Excel 2007 will cut out a lot of the possible users and I'm not sure Open Office can use the 2007 files. I think Excel has supported 'conditional formating' since at least version 2000.
adriaans Amarr Ankaa.	Posted - 2009.01.25 22:59:00 - [16] Originally by: Kamikazi ONE Excel 2007 will cut out a lot of the possible users and I'm not sure Open Office can use the 2007 files. I think Excel has supported 'conditional formating' since at least version 2000. yes, excel with cut out alot of people, i was interested until i read 'excel' -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr! Originally by: UMEE if ure another fotm re-roller, then dont pvp. you'll fail. QFT!
Jali Prince Minmatar JelliBeans	Posted - 2009.01.26 13:08:00 - [17] Hi there, I'll give it go too please. Always looking for something to help me make isk
Ki Ong	Posted - 2009.01.26 23:14:00 - [18] sign me up to your beta
Mythrantar Caldari Darkwave Technologies Doctrine.	Posted - 2009.01.27 00:01:00 - [19] I would also like to sign up for the beta. Thanks!
Harrpy Helcina Gallente Sickle Moon Overtime Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.27 00:12:00 - [20] i'm interested sign me up.... and what is a "reasonable" entrance fee ?
Melisa Ravenflame	Posted - 2009.01.27 09:07:00 - [21] Please make an open office version. I have excel 2007, but open office is far better. And free.
W0t0n Kill4 Ruthless Aggression United Star Federation	Posted - 2009.01.27 20:17:00 - [22] Edited by: W0t0n Kill4 on 27/01/2009 20:17:33 A reasonable entrance fee would be classified as less than 25Mil. I haven't decided as of yet, still gauging interest. Looks like 10 of you have explicitly said they are interested, so far. If we get more, I may be persuaded to put a price on feedback quality... it will be subjectively "graded" of course. So tell your friends! I am hoping to get screenshots up soon, most of the issues making it backwards-compatible with Excel 2003 have been resolved. The material cost analysis page is the main slowdown, hopefully will have it solved shortly... or I might scrap it, as its sole purpose is to illustrate which materials have the biggest impact on the items in the build queue. As I said before, you guys will be getting an unique password to unlock the cells to modify-to-suit your personal / corporate needs. That's something that people won't get when the official 1.0 version is released; thus justifying the "entrance fee" (tester fee). Thank you for your support Kill-4
Micro star	Posted - 2009.01.27 20:40:00 - [23] I have excel 2003 and willing to give it a try. Put me on the list of testers
Lochmar Fiendhiem Caldari Quicksilver Industries and Painful Effects Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.27 21:51:00 - [24] Quick question, Will it be possible to enter a bpo type, enter the ME and PE level and have it calculate cost and total mineral usage? For example I have a drake bpo (or bpc) with 10me and 10pe will it calculate this for me for time and % wastage as well as showing me total materials required and at the cost per material as well as total? Also will this include a database entry for bpos or is it possible to link it to the database and just tell us to get this calc and the database for bpos as well? Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
Joseph Shephard	Posted - 2009.01.27 22:20:00 - [25] Edited by: Joseph Shephard on 27/01/2009 22:24:25 Woton, I don't know how close to completion you are, but me and my corp just launched a calculator that does a portion of what your overall plan does. If you want to send me an eve-mail or chat, there might be some way for us to synergize them if the two are not completely redundant. It's a few threads down, called the A-Sheet, if you want to take a look, but it is only for t1 production, not mining or anything so far. Let me know if you want to talk. J. Shephard
nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2009.01.27 23:06:00 - [26] As more industrial tools are created and shared with the public, the crappier the margins will become. --------------------
Dark 'Shadow Shadow Fire Industries	Posted - 2009.01.27 23:15:00 - [27] Sign me up for beta testing, I have Excel 2007 and would be willing to pay a beta testing fee if the screenshots look promising.
saint ro Caldari 10045th Logistics Battalion	Posted - 2009.01.28 00:46:00 - [28] Originally by: Dark 'Shadow Sign me up for beta testing, I have Excel 2007 and would be willing to pay a beta testing fee if the screenshots look promising. What he said.
Minmatar Citizen476	Posted - 2009.01.28 14:36:00 - [29] i have office 2007 and would like to beta test with you. I have many years experience of converting it into other formats both backwards and forward formatting.
Ron Simon Ruthless Aggression United Star Federation	Posted - 2009.01.30 04:59:00 - [30] Didn't I raise you to be a pvper? wtf happened?!?!?! CEO Ruthless Aggression
W0t0n Kill4 Ruthless Aggression United Star Federation	Posted - 2009.02.03 20:59:00 - [31] Don't think I forgot about you guys. I have had some RL issues sprout up, though I do have some good news! We are nearly ready for testing to begin! Screenshots have been FINALLYlinked on the first post of this thread! I am fixing, hopefully, the last of the 2007 >>> 2003 compatibility tests in the next couple days. I will keep you all posted. Kill-4
Leaving Eve	Posted - 2009.02.03 22:40:00 - [32] I would like to participate in the beta.
PantrashMoFo Caldari Bruggen Raiders	Posted - 2009.02.04 00:14:00 - [33] i am also impressed that it says "cost anal" at the bottom tabs on the screen. juvenile to giggle at ? yes. Am i giggling ? yes
Kename Fin Caldari Dark Star Galactic Engineers	Posted - 2009.02.04 06:52:00 - [34] Definitely interested. Would love to test it out. Send me an evemail. Quick questions: How macro-heavy is this? How reliant on Excel [just formatting?] Would you be interested in a Mac tester/developer? How will you handle updates [CCP changes]?
Darlington VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD	Posted - 2009.02.04 12:52:00 - [35] I would be interested in Beta As well Regards Darlington
Manentia manic-recession	Posted - 2009.02.08 00:25:00 - [36] Count me in. Will pay. Love, Manentia
Kalum Ra	Posted - 2009.02.09 11:18:00 - [37] I¦m interested, too! Please count me in for BETA. (Evemail pls) I¦m working on exel 00 Solong
Faranti Centro Caldari 3M Enterprises	Posted - 2009.02.09 14:03:00 - [38] I'd like to get my hands on this.. err sign up to test this product out fully.. I think I waste too much time going through too many windows trying to determine if I have everything I need in the right places to manufacture what I think I can make a profit off of.
W0t0n Kill4 Ruthless Aggression United Star Federation	Posted - 2009.02.09 17:33:00 - [39] Edited by: W0t0n Kill4 on 09/02/2009 17:35:23 Originally by: Kename Fin How macro-heavy is this? None... surprisingly. Macros are convenient, but I hate doing them, I found a way to handle this program without. Originally by: Kename Fin How reliant on Excel [just formatting?] This program utilizes conditional formatting and functions such as: sumproduct, transpose, lookup, index/match, data validation, drop-downs, sumifs, etc. Originally by: Kename Fin Would you be interested in a Mac tester/developer? If you can handle this program on a Mac, more power to you, and I would happily accept you into the testing. Originally by: Kename Fin How will you handle updates [CCP changes]? As of now, the database in the workbook is static, meaning I will have to manually update and release the database spreadsheet to be imported at the end-user level. *ANNOUNCEMENTS* KEYSTONE: An Industrial Empire Strategic Planning Tool... official program name. Beta-testing will begin in approximately 7-10 days and will conclude on March 16th, 2009. The buy-in is 20million... but there is potential to make all of that back with proper feedback. You also receive a unique password to unlock the workbook to fully customize to your needs. You will also receive a free unrestricted copy of the release, I'll keep your names on file. I have created 2 mailing lists and a chat channel for this program. If you are interested in beta-testing, please join the Beta: KEYSTONE mailing list. If you are interested in the official release, please join the KEYSTONE mailing list. If you are looking for a place to chit-chat about industry in general whether it relates to the program or not, please join the Production Talk chat channel.
Ishikari Gallente Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.02.09 20:49:00 - [40] Edited by: Ishikari on 09/02/2009 20:49:49 Edited by: Ishikari on 09/02/2009 20:49:35 Originally by: Kamikazi ONE Excel 2007 will cut out a lot of the possible users and I'm not sure Open Office can use the 2007 files. The 3.0x version had support for xlsx file importing ( http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.0/#Microsoft_Office_2007_Import_Filters ) although I am not sure if that will give your sheet a hard time or not. --- Ishikari Industries
Jared D'Uroth	Posted - 2009.02.09 21:52:00 - [41] Originally by: Ron Simon Didn't I raise you to be a pvper? wtf happened?!?!?! Seconding this. The only people this guy is Ruthless to is the market :/
Arminans	Posted - 2009.02.09 23:24:00 - [42] Sound good, ill see ppl in the channel. Linkage to similar appliaction
Deielle The Sobani Aegis Militia	Posted - 2009.02.10 19:20:00 - [43] Likewise, I would like to participate in the beta testing, and would be fully willing to pay any fees to help you out.
Asagi Sandoval Caldari The Perfect Storm	Posted - 2009.02.15 00:53:00 - [44] I'd be willing to participate in the beta testing too. No problem with the fees, I'm always interested in new tools to help me minimize planning time. Hit me up with an evemail if you accept me also
W0t0n Kill4 Ruthless Aggression United Star Federation	Posted - 2009.02.17 14:33:00 - [45] As posted in my mailing-lists... We are looking at few days delay because of my out-of-state interviews. Please send me an eve-mail with the email address you would like the .7z zipped Excel workbook to be sent to along with the 20M testing fee. Please post all feedback in the Beta: Keystone mailing list. I will update the member list and payouts in the mailing-list when they become available.
W0t0n Kill4 Ruthless Aggression	Posted - 2009.02.23 15:19:00 - [46] LET THE TESTING BEGIN! First shipment of the Keystone Beta Test are going out today. There are currently 8 people registered with fee and email submitted. I will accept moar testers until March 2nd. If interested, send me an eve-mail with confirmation of payment and your preferred email address. I will send the file zipped with 7zip software along with your workbook unlock password. [Note:] After long hours of slaving over my lappy, I have determined that scaling this back to '03 format is not feasible. The workbook loses both functionality and the aesthetics are very unfriendly to the eyes. I have received confirmation that OpenOffice 3.0+ will support .xlsx.
Khrillian Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.02.23 22:09:00 - [47] I'm interested in signing up for the beta. When the final product comes out how much will it cost?
Xiola Umbar	Posted - 2009.02.23 23:34:00 - [48] +1 for beta testing please - sounds excellent
Dark 'Shadow Infused Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.24 04:07:00 - [49] Originally by: W0t0n Kill4 Edited by: W0t0n Kill4 on 24/02/2009 00:59:05 LET THE TESTING BEGIN! First shipment of the Keystone Beta Test are going out today. There are currently 8 people registered with fee and email submitted. I will accept moar testers until March 2nd. If interested, send me an eve-mail with confirmation of payment (20Mil) and your preferred email address. I will send the file zipped with 7zip software along with your workbook unlock password. [Note:] After long hours of slaving over my lappy, I have determined that scaling this back to '03 format is not feasible. The workbook loses both functionality and the aesthetics are very unfriendly to the eyes. I have received confirmation that OpenOffice 3.0+ will support .xlsx. Edit: The final product will cost 10Mil, but it will be restricted from modification via password. The beta cost is 20Mil, feedback is paid, and you get the code to unlock the workbook to modify to suit your needs. Still looking forward to getting my copy ____________ ShadowFire Industries Fighter Store
Faranti Centro Caldari 3M Enterprises	Posted - 2009.02.25 14:50:00 - [50] I will be sending you an eve-mail and payment later on this evening when I can log in and play.
asdlkf	Posted - 2009.02.26 08:26:00 - [51] +1 beta tester
Ralle030583 Eve Service Corp	Posted - 2009.02.26 09:39:00 - [52] +1 beta :)

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