Hmm, i should check if the same applies to WH mag/rad sites now...
Guess it prob does.

Yeah, the problem was some players were intentionally cloaking in sites to prevent them from despawning and new ones from respawning, so you can thank them for this workaround :D

At last check, cloaking in a radar/mag in a hole wont despawn after a period of time. Checked it about two months ago.

Hearing that, I suppose I understand it a bit more, however I suppose I'm still opinionated and feel that it should be a longer timeline than around 30 seconds. Extending it to, say, 5 minutes would allow for hiding from roving gangs while not keeping it alive for too long.

Hearing that, I suppose I understand it a bit more, however I suppose I'm still opinionated and feel that it should be a longer timeline than around 30 seconds. Extending it to, say, 5 minutes would allow for hiding from roving gangs while not keeping it alive for too long.

Does warping to a site while cloaked trigger the despawn (versus cloaking up after warping there)?

It seems silly to despawn an entire site from people poking in with Cov Ops to just see what's there.

Does warping to a site while cloaked trigger the despawn (versus cloaking up after warping there)?

It seems silly to despawn an entire site from people poking in with Cov Ops to just see what's there.

Does warping to a site while cloaked trigger the despawn (versus cloaking up after warping there)?

It seems silly to despawn an entire site from people poking in with Cov Ops to just see what's there.

Myself, I have done most parts of eve. Pvp, mining, you name it, for the most part I like and dislike bits of everything. My favorite though is a little carebear, and a little not. It is however what got me into low and nullsec to start. Running the sites with teams new to lowsec have gone on to null and pvp as well. Exploration sites. Specifically the survey sites. I started running t1 ships. Would run in a scanner, then a utility ships. No alts, straight up solo. Enjoyment of PvE, but excitement as dodge or break way from pvp. I have done it for a couple years now.

At this point, I run around with a quite expensive fit proteus through null space. Is great fun since am limited by the ship with having to fit the data access equipment (codebreaker, salvager, analyser) and now at T3, the subsystems. Ship is expensive and the fit some will say is cheap, of course covert and int null, but that is the fun, and had numerous close calls. Still running solo.

Alright, now people have their ons and offs about cloaks which will be mentioned, please take them to cloaker thread since none of this is afk cloak.

The old problem would be if a site was almost emptied except for junk which even I don't take. So if you left the site after accessing a canister, it would despawn. If in the site, it wouldn't. I can see this being abused with an afk cloaker left on grid to mess up. Finding cloakers on grid is another topic. But anyways, been doing it along time, for years, when I had to cloak up from a probing gang that started searching. I had accessed one canister, np cloak up in site. About a minute later, site gone, poof and a decloak. I though right, bug and was in here when it's despawn timer from creation was out. Filed little bug report, working as intended reply. Note, did not warp out.

Well, wasn't exploring for a bit, and went back out the other day here. 3 times this has now happened, site despawns if you access anything and cloak. It takes time to find the sites, and without a combat spec ship, time to secure then (and sp investment). Lastly also requiresalot of player involvement to run. But is "working as intended" Now I understand the issue about afk holders would cause issues, and needing to despawn once all containers accessed to prevent being held open. But despawning while active players are running, well it has really pulled out the ability to really earn isk in these. The time taken in systems really means people have to legitimately use the cloak if pvp scanners show up, no way around it

Alright, as said in there, pretty much figured out the reason why it was needed before hand, but if I gotta cloak, even for a moment, that is it, end of site. Just not any freaking fun to do and it has been what I loved doing in eve the most!

This also makes it impossible to clear the sites that have npcs spawn after access, that one I was having problems with too.

Yup. The fact that folks were cloaking up in sites in Null so they wouldn't respawn anew was taking too much ISK out of Goon Hands and they didn't like it.

Apparently they are unablle to undock and go after these clowns.

Another game mechanic change for the Goons indeed it 'twas.

Yet another game breaker brought to you by CCP Soundwaffe.

Interesting. I'm glad I saw this thread because I was starting to train towards a low/null sec covert ops exploration ship with the very thought that I could cloak up if other ships entered the system while I was clearing a site. I can see the potential for abuse as described above but I have to think there is a happy medium between "never despawn the location if a cloaked ship is nearby" and "Despawn after 60 seconds".

If CCP wants to encourage me to strike out into the vast blackness of scary land, this doesn't seem like the way to do it.

Yes, let's undock and go after people cloaked somewhere within the 300km grid of a site.