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Evil Edna The Priory	Posted - 2009.01.25 20:24:00 - [31] his lack of awareness is as much as fault how many other teams have epic failed and got DQ as a result on this system?
Lasar Bonghits	Posted - 2009.01.25 20:28:00 - [32] Edited by: Lasar Bonghits on 25/01/2009 20:35:21 Edited by: Lasar Bonghits on 25/01/2009 20:29:42 Originally by: mamolian Do what your **ing told and shut up. Thats the point, we did what we were told, and then told to stut up and gtfo. Originally by:** Evil Edna his lack of awareness is as much as fault how many other teams have epic failed and got DQ as a result on this system? The only other time a match ended because of the time limit, it happenend to the match on deck. The other team just didnt insta pop anything and they just lost some ships as a penalty. So it is 2 times out of two times possible. Now things have changed but CCP Claw still claims it wasnt an issue, even though it happenend 100 percent of the time. Due to us instapopping some ships and CCP Claw being behind schedule it was just easiest to DQ us.
AIchemist Gallente O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.25 20:29:00 - [33] Honestly when it was explained, I thought to myself That is sort of confusing". This was before I heard of why they used this system to count up and down for matchs. I did find it a bit weird, to choose to do it that way and not make them very different in the way matchs started and ended. I thought double this when i learned two matchs were going on back to back that quick. rant on, but i think ccp will sort it.
Kitano THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.01.25 20:31:00 - [34] Ur doing good claw I hope u like the taste of anguish
Master Technique Club Bear	Posted - 2009.01.25 20:35:00 - [35] Also, he has said in the forum now a few times that you didn't get DQ'd for this. He was working on replacing the ships you blew up early, when it sounds like someone on your team started moving around. Then he DQ'd you for the combination of offenses. Making one mistake is understandable, but you cannot be angry about this decision when you broke more than one rule before the match even started...
Lasar Bonghits	Posted - 2009.01.25 20:41:00 - [36] Edited by: Lasar Bonghits on 25/01/2009 20:45:56 Edited by: Lasar Bonghits on 25/01/2009 20:42:34 Originally by: Master Technique Also, he has said in the forum now a few times that you didn't get DQ'd for this. He was working on replacing the ships you blew up early, when it sounds like someone on your team started moving around. Then he DQ'd you for the combination of offenses. Making one mistake is understandable, but you cannot be angry about this decision when you broke more than one rule before the match even started... The BB moving happenend way after this whole thing. Over 10 minutes while we were trying to figure out what happenend and no one was in their original spots anyways. It still is CCPs fault for the initial screw up and after that everything is pretty much null and void. If CCP didnt screw up we would not of. Claw never mentioned he was getting ships replaced to us and never told us what was going on. In fact, no where in my logs was it even mentioned that count down wasnt for us. They didnt tell us anything until they said we were DQ. Simply put we were most likley DQ just to move it along. Why someone officiating should not be running the tournament. Not like eve had much integrity left in it but still another blow. Schedule, Its the excuse the GM said in our chat and what CCP Claw put in his post, "despite the fact that this would have delayed our schedule." Who cares about the schedule. Its not our fault you built this tournament with bad mechanics for running it. It breaks and now a handful of people have to pay. That sounds just like CCP.
Shigsy Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.01.25 20:52:00 - [37] Originally by: Lady Karma Calm down I C wut u did thar :derek:
Gumpy Nighthawk Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.25 21:07:00 - [38] Posting here to support my brosef. Yes lasar you read it right, i'm supporting you! But thats also because i already have a grudge against this stupid abomination of a tournament, without real life feeds of the matches. Also a goon talking about having brains...it makes me laugh Signature Locked. Please refrain from amending a moderated warning. Navigator
Silc'n Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.25 21:22:00 - [39] Yo Lasar... I understand it sucks to get surprise ******* from CCP staff but there's nothing you can do about it at this point. We know you and your bros are made of pure **ing awesomeness, there's no need to prove anything to those maggots anyway. I just hope that this wasn't really what others called "endgame" for you. I hope this isn't the only thing that's left for you to enjoy in EVE... [MYTH] <3 Lasar+Friends. I wish you the best of luck guys... -------------------------------- Goons in Blackbirds are awesome.
AAYLLAA	Posted - 2009.01.25 22:00:00 - [40] Thanks to our RZR brothers for support in this matter. To Lasar, and the rest of the POS team - I hope you all come back and show people what we're made of. All in all, CCP needs to fix many things; management of things and events such as this included. It should have been handled differently to begin with. Seeing how lines of communication seem to EPIC FAIL with CCP, it's not surprising that something like this keep occurring. We can only hope that they figure things out before they screw something else up.

Johnathan Roark Caldari Borgholio's Collective Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2009.01.25 22:07:00 - [41] Still having problem with countdowns My suggestion on how to handle the countdown for the remaining matches, have both teams in a common channel for each arena or separate each arena into two different systems. That would prevent a lot of confusion.
Astrocarm Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.25 22:40:00 - [42] Edited by: Astrocarm on 25/01/2009 22:49:56 Edited by: Astrocarm on 25/01/2009 22:40:24 I personally would like to hear CCP's comments and explanation of events to maybe get some clarification to this mistake. Trolls are trolls and always have been, their views are not valid as far as I'm concerned, but CCP's views are valid. This is your event CCP and errors do seems to be happening, so instead of hoping they go away stand up and be accountable. My guys may have made a mistake but the cause of that mistake is been ignored. Everything in life has a cause behind the outcome and effect and at present all we are doing is complaining about the outcome and result. So CCP please stand up be accounted and admit to the cause behind this mistake, lets move on and get this show on the road correctly. Is anyone in CCP actually brave enough to admit to this mistake and heaven forbid do the respectable thing and make this DQ a draw instead, along with an explanation? To do this would not slow the event down only show CCP has some honour and respectable staff. Claw is doing a good job in setting up this event and running it for today, which to be honest must be driving him mad by now, I don't envy him at all. But all we ask for is some common sense and some respectable answers, not trolls, one mistake has already been admitted too by CCP, its not out of the realms of possibility that another has been made? So as far as I'm concerned I await CCP's explanation. CCP's reply is the only valid answer that can be posted here that will either answer questions or raise eyebrows. CCP please shine some light on this veil of smoke?
Amarria Drezine	Posted - 2009.01.25 23:19:00 - [43] Originally by: Lasar Bonghits You never run anything by the clock in the eve client. It does not sync. If you ever ran multiple clients you would see that they often do not even sync. And we are talking about a matter of minutes and were just doing our very best to do whatever we were told to do by the GM in our flee and CCP claw in local.[/quote This, it happens quite often and while it may or may not have happened in this instance it is very hard to take action knowing this.

CCP Claw	Posted - 2009.01.25 23:30:00 - [44] I think that there have been plenty of answers to this, I'm not sure how you have come to the conclusion that this has not been answered. Just because you guys choose to flog this dead horse into a fine bloody mist doesn't mean that the answer will change, but let me reiterate it for you:- -Team breaks rules, we are discussing an appropriate penalty and busy reimbursing ships -Team breaks rules a second time, team forfeits match This issue is extremely clear; rules infractions mean that the team will be penalised, and in this case, the penalty for a rather major initial infraction plus another obvious following infraction (the ship was at 85km when it was destroyed, which is at a minimum 35km from its max initial warp in range, when it eventually stopped) was a forfeit. As to the cause of this mistake, that has also been discussed to death and the answer remains the same; as someone has remarked, the GMs give so many instructions that they "felt like a 7 year old". In addition to this, local chat is very clear (END and GO are very different) as well as the rules being published in stickies right here. Then we also have the time being nowhere near the start of the game. Basically all of these things have been said before, and this will be the last time I reply to this thread and cover the same ground over and over again.

spyrule Caldari Borgholio's Collective Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2009.01.25 23:35:00 - [45] Edited by: spyrule on 25/01/2009 23:37:27 Originally by: Master Technique Also, he has said in the forum now a few times that you didn't get DQ'd for this. He was working on replacing the ships you blew up early, when it sounds like someone on your team started moving around. Then he DQ'd you for the combination of offenses. Making one mistake is understandable, but you cannot be angry about this decision when you broke more than one rule before the match even started... As a final clarification on this, the blackbird in question that was moving, was me. This is my main so no messing around. The problem with the DQ based on me moving is not having asked for a simple restart. When the start was detected, as a typical BB pilot, I started moving away from the primary combat location. Then the fight was called as a false start. The problem at this point was that there was so much confusion going on, that I simply forgot to stop. At no point was I told to stop, until CCP stated that we we're DQ'd due to a ship moving. If they had been paying 1/2 of any level of attention they would have noted that I had been moving since the false start. The simple solution to this, is force a warp out / warp back in. Give a second chance for christsake, and then if someone screws up again, pop the ship. Problem solved. I apologize to my fleetmates for being the 'final' reason for DQ, but lets face it, if the obvious communication issues had been made clearer from the start, this problem wouldn't have happened. * personal rant: Thank you, for ruining my only chance to take part in this event for this year. damn RL . This DQ seriously has me wondering whether or not I want to continue paying for this (my emo moment). /rant * SUGGESTIONS for future combat : 1) Have a Arena 1, and Arena 2 channels created for official communications. 2) Give out the ENTIRE expected scenario in writing WELL before the event start (we got some surprising rules to follow, 5 minutes prior... This cannot be considered fare warning). 3) Instead of DQ'ing people when **** like this happens, re-schedule to the end of that day (or next if possible), another alternative would be to re-schedule to the START of the next weekend period. That's it from me. Spyrule.
Lasar Bonghits	Posted - 2009.01.25 23:40:00 - [46] Originally by: CCP Claw I think that there have been plenty of answers to this, I'm not sure how you have come to the conclusion that this has not been answered. Just because you guys choose to flog this dead horse into a fine bloody mist doesn't mean that the answer will change, but let me reiterate it for you:- -Team breaks rules, we are discussing an appropriate penalty and busy reimbursing ships -Team breaks rules a second time, team forfeits match This issue is extremely clear; rules infractions mean that the team will be penalised, and in this case, the penalty for a rather major initial infraction plus another obvious following infraction (the ship was at 85km when it was destroyed, which is at a minimum 35km from its max initial warp in range, when it eventually stopped) was a forfeit. As to the cause of this mistake, that has also been discussed to death and the answer remains the same; as someone has remarked, the GMs give so many instructions that they "felt like a 7 year old". In addition to this, local chat is very clear (END and GO are very different) as well as the rules being published in stickies right here. Then we also have the time being nowhere near the start of the game. Basically all of these things have been said before, and this will be the last time I reply to this thread and cover the same ground over and over again. Why did this happen every time every time a there is a match ending countdown in local? It happen before and it happenend to us and it would happen again if you didnt change what you said in local. We had no idea end was coming, we were soloy told to watch local and the countdown. Never anything about go, end or start. There is an obvious setup issue with having two teams n areans fighting and ready to fight. We are claiming the it was not our fault that a rule was broken and clear it was based on confusion of a very bad tournament setup to start matches quickly.
Xiong Yoshi Aliastra	Posted - 2009.01.25 23:46:00 - [47] Originally by: CCP Claw the GMs give so many instructions that they "felt like a 7 year old". In addition to this, local chat is very clear From the Fleet Logs, every CCP "instruction": [ 2009.01.25 15:01:09 ] GM Nova > Hello guys and gals [ 2009.01.25 15:01:37 ] GM Nova > I will transport you to the tourney system in 5 minutes [ 2009.01.25 15:01:49 ] GM Nova > Please do not dock, undock or jump, change ships, log out/in, leave/join gang, before you are moved [ 2009.01.25 15:02:22 ] GM Nova > You are Team ¦1 [ 2009.01.25 15:02:51 ] GM Nova > When you enter the system, pick a Team 1 (a,b,c or d) beacon to warp to and stay at it untill further notice. [ 2009.01.25 15:02:59 ] GM Nova > When the order comes to warp to to battle arena 2, then do so at a range of 0-50km maximum. [ 2009.01.25 15:03:13 ] GM Nova > Once there, do not move at all. If you do, your team will be penalized.After this, keep a close eye on local as all commands will be broadcasted there. [ 2009.01.25 15:03:19 ] GM Nova > Once out of the fight, move immediately to the Team 1 exit for extraction, this means as soon as you are in a pod. [ 2009.01.25 15:03:24 ] GM Nova > Once you have crushed your oponents, then please warp to Team 1 exit as soon as possible, you have only seconds to scoop drones before the arena is cleaned up of excess debris. [ 2009.01.25 15:03:33 ] GM Nova > Please read the above carefully [ 2009.01.25 15:03:40 ] GM Nova > two minutes .... Then at the warpin, in fleet: [ 2009.01.25 15:13:23 ] GM Nova > Watch local Now from the Local logs: [ 2009.01.25 15:08:33 ] EVE System > Channel changed to RU-97T Local Channel [ 2009.01.25 15:11:01 ] CCP Claw > 4 minutes remaining [ 2009.01.25 15:14:11 ] CCP Claw > 1 minute remaining [ 2009.01.25 15:15:01 ] CCP Claw > 10 seconds [ 2009.01.25 15:15:06 ] CCP Claw > 5 [ 2009.01.25 15:15:11 ] CCP Claw > END [ 2009.01.25 15:15:14 ] CCP Claw > STOP FIRING ........................................................ Clearly the GM says "watch local", with no other useful instruction given regarding when to begin, and the next thing that is said in local is a countdown. One might argue about whether the word "end" was specific enough as to indicate that it was for another fight or not... but from the perspective of being inside the fleet - there was no indication that there was even another fight going on at all. Being told to watch local, and a couple seconds later a 10 second countdown begins... there was no indication that the countdown was for anyone other than the teams which had just lined up. ------------------------------------------------ There are only two types of ships: those which have blown up; and those which will.
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence	Posted - 2009.01.26 00:32:00 - [48] I'd say that this little word "remaining" might have given a clue. I also am a little confused as to why people didn't ask about it, if they weren't sure.
JS LiamElms Gallente Borgholio's Collective Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2009.01.26 00:53:00 - [49] Edited by: JS LiamElms on 26/01/2009 00:53:21 Originally by: Reiisha I'd say that this little word "remaining" might have given a clue. I also am a little confused as to why people didn't ask about it, if they weren't sure. remaining till? the start of the fight? and END of....? the countdown? the fact the was too many questions here highlights major communication problems. not everyone is native english. i would like to make it VERY CLEAR.... all the games that have required a countdown to finishing have resulted in the following match having complications. this means... 100% of the time when a count down was used to END a match resulted in faults to communication. Which is because they have another team watching local waiting for a countdown... clearly this identifies that people have misread the countdown EVERY time today. And now CCP Claw has decided he will no longer comment? after stating so many errors and conflicting answers, it seemed best he refrained from posting.
Calexis Atredies Borgholio's Collective Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2009.01.26 00:59:00 - [50] To be fair Spyrule I was moving in bb too, as was the target I was attempting to jam. No need to point the finger at yourself bud you were right to keep your wits about you.

Forum Joe	Posted - 2009.01.30 18:35:00 - [51] Working for a game company is really great : you can screw things and get away with it by ignoring complaints, no problem. If I did such a thing, my company would be sued, and me, well, fired...
Hondri	Posted - 2009.01.30 21:14:00 - [52] I have to agree with the OP here - While sure rules are rules, in what is a semi-friendly competition there should be the option given to the other team, if they want the fight to go on with a penalty to the other team, or just set aside an hour afterwards for any matches that have been bungled - surely it wont wreck your awesome social lives that you are no doubt scurrying off to. The actions of the offending team were not intended to get an advantage over the opponent nor in malice - the two things the rules are there to prevent... yet sidelined because of ease. As a person who has to be nice to customers, I know its lame, but sometimes you just have to bite the bullet, say sorry and accept what happened.
Ulaanbator Tiki The Yaar Offices of Pointe Webb and Podemall	Posted - 2009.01.30 22:53:00 - [53] Why do you bother complaining dude? Its an MMO. Its not the bloody Marriott. There is no concierge service to make sure your New Eden stay is going smoothly.
CAPTAIN FAECES	Posted - 2009.02.03 11:20:00 - [54] Wow, it's actually amazing that Claw won't admit to this. What a smartass.
Bestrim	Posted - 2009.02.03 12:26:00 - [55] Quote: -Team breaks rules, we are discussing an appropriate penalty and busy reimbursing ships -Team breaks rules a second time, team forfeits match As I see it, the rules were broken by the false start,but the BS moving was still part of the false start. so I cannot see why there would be talk about braking the rules again. And I must agree that it seems the schedule seems to play a part in this. I do think it is nice of the CCP dev team to give some information, but saying you are not going to reply again, without knowing what other people are going to say well... just destroys communication (the thing that started all of this)
FugginNutz Caldari Chinchilla Industries Manifest Destiny.	Posted - 2009.02.03 13:11:00 - [56] Originally by: Lasar Bonghits Edited by: Lasar Bonghits on 25/01/2009 18:33:33 Now, you may ask why other teams have not had this problem. Well the reason is, after looking into it, prior to our match it only happenend once and it had the same effect. See, due to this years no remote rep rule, awesome by the way, matches end before a timer can end them because one team is sitting by their wrecks. So the other match that lasted the whole 15 minutes, Otherworld Empire Production vs Uskra'Khan, had a count down timer that the next match Manifest Destiny Vs Fifth Freedom saw and Manifest Destiny got some ships taken out of the match for it. OP is incorrect. Manifest Destiny did not lose any ships as a result of this. Our points penalty was for something altogether different. Yes...we had a problem with the first countdown. Our FC requested for clarification in the future matches for everyone and from being in the later matches, we have not had any issues since.
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in	Posted - 2009.02.03 14:59:00 - [57] How much harder would it be for the organisers to simply put the two arenas in two separate systems to avoid the Talk-In-Local problem? I bet the guy moving the new teams in and screening them would be done with that prior to the match and could transfer the camera folks in just the same. Otherwise select two adjacent systems (best with no other gates so no guests or reporters escape) and have them use the gate. That'll take an extra 60 seconds tho.
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2009.02.03 17:47:00 - [58] Totally offtopic, but Lasar did you used to play a Bard on Bors in DAOC?
Forum Chav	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:54:00 - [59] Edited by: Forum Chav on 04/02/2009 23:58:16 the man has a point. as superb a job as claw is doing, he could have clarified the instructions to ensure that no errors made were the result of inadequate instruction. in other words, he made a mistake. which happens. but to ignore it because it would mess with a hectic schedule is in no way fair or acceptable.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2009.02.05 01:22:00 - [60] Originally by: Forum Chav Edited by: Forum Chav on 04/02/2009 23:58:16 the man has a point. as superb a job as claw is doing, he could have clarified the instructions to ensure that lesser primates could understand. in other words, he made a mistake. which happens. but to have a tournament rescheduled around one idiots actions is in no way fair or acceptable. FYP



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