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Juma	Posted - 2004.08.01 14:35:00 - [1] Like the title says. It has been requested since the advent of Eve by many players and still this communications platform suffers from many many redundant topics just because the pleayers cant SEARCH for answers in recent posts. This would also lessen the burden in CCP's support because ppl would be able to more efficiently help each other. About every half-decent bbs system nowadays has a search function wich is easy to implement. Since this board is based on MS-SQL server and asp on IIS You already have all tools handy to make this board searchable. (if You need someone with decent skills in database design and scripting just send an info where I can put my resume - currently looking for new challenges )
Juma	Posted - 2004.08.01 14:35:00 - [2] Like the title says. It has been requested since the advent of Eve by many players and still this communications platform suffers from many many redundant topics just because the pleayers cant SEARCH for answers in recent posts. This would also lessen the burden in CCP's support because ppl would be able to more efficiently help each other. About every half-decent bbs system nowadays has a search function wich is easy to implement. Since this board is based on MS-SQL server and asp on IIS You already have all tools handy to make this board searchable. (if You need someone with decent skills in database design and scripting just send an info where I can put my resume - currently looking for new challenges )
Orestes	Posted - 2004.08.01 14:44:00 - [3] Appearantly, the combination Game Database + Forums makes it difficult to implement a search feature. It's long overdue, in any case Join the IC!
Orestes	Posted - 2004.08.01 14:44:00 - [4] Appearantly, the combination Game Database + Forums makes it difficult to implement a search feature. It's long overdue, in any case Join the IC!
Armin Chamberlain	Posted - 2004.08.01 16:48:00 - [5] Cant be that difficult, I mean this eve-marketplace had one, and when they can do it,w hy can't CCP? And why can't they just buy the damn thing from eve marketplace for a thousand bucks or something.
Armin Chamberlain	Posted - 2004.08.01 16:48:00 - [6] Cant be that difficult, I mean this eve-marketplace had one, and when they can do it,w hy can't CCP? And why can't they just buy the damn thing from eve marketplace for a thousand bucks or something.
Galinius	Posted - 2004.08.01 17:15:00 - [7] There is the ability to search these forums: Linkage
Galinius	Posted - 2004.08.01 17:15:00 - [8] There is the ability to search these forums: Linkage
DeFood	Posted - 2004.08.01 17:57:00 - [9] There isn't. External indexes cannot keep up with the changing index pages. Ive only had a 25% success rate using external searches for threads I know exist. An integrated search is necessary.
DeFood	Posted - 2004.08.01 17:57:00 - [10] There isn't. External indexes cannot keep up with the changing index pages. Ive only had a 25% success rate using external searches for threads I know exist. An integrated search is necessary.
ezzle	Posted - 2004.08.01 22:03:00 - [11] I think they prefer it if we just post the same topic 20-30 times.
ezzle	Posted - 2004.08.01 22:03:00 - [12] I think they prefer it if we just post the same topic 20-30 times.
Wrangler	Posted - 2004.08.01 22:27:00 - [13] Originally by: ezzle I think they prefer it if we just post the same topic 20-30 times. Well, at least we get to say "Deja vu" a lot. [Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators]
Wrangler	Posted - 2004.08.01 22:27:00 - [14] Originally by: ezzle I think they prefer it if we just post the same topic 20-30 times. Well, at least we get to say "Deja vu" a lot. [Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators]
rexsum	Posted - 2004.08.01 22:54:00 - [15] Edited by: rexsum on 01/08/2004 23:15:46 Edited by: rexsum on 01/08/2004 22:55:15 you can use google to search the forums, just enter site:eve-online.com <your query> and that was already posted "P
rexsum	Posted - 2004.08.01 22:54:00 - [16] Edited by: rexsum on 01/08/2004 23:15:46 Edited by: rexsum on 01/08/2004 22:55:15 you can use google to search the forums, just enter site:eve-online.com <your query> and that was already posted "P
Juma	Posted - 2004.08.02 00:15:00 - [17] For those smarties proposing google as a replacement search for this board: Currently most players actually do this. If You not only know THAT You can use google but You also know HOW google works You will find out very soon that google actually cant and does NOT efficiently index a board like this (not to blame google - its not made for such a task!). Your search is thus very limited. Imagine Your favourite car-producer telling You "sorry its difficult to implement a motor but You could get 2 horses to pull Your car" @Orestes regarding Your comment on the combination of game-data and forum data making it difficult to implement a search function: The opposite is the case. Besides there is a difference between using game-data and using the game-servers databases directly . Anyhow even if CCP did (What I highly doubt if CCP's database-devs are not insane) it makes impelenting indexes and searching by no means any more difficult but even more important. And to repeat myself: with the used database backend CCP already has basic search functions, it just needs to be used. P.S. search functionality does NOT have negative impact on the database backend, the opposite is the case. Anyhow, no offense at all still just a proposal. Developement of systems linking ingame with the web is basicly what I did for a living for about 8 years to date. Should enable me to at least give a reasonable proposal taking into account wich technology and systems are already in use at CCP's site.
Juma	Posted - 2004.08.02 00:15:00 - [18] For those smarties proposing google as a replacement search for this board: Currently most players actually do this. If You not only know THAT You can use google but You also know HOW google works You will find out very soon that google actually cant and does NOT efficiently index a board like this (not to blame google - its not made for such a task!). Your search is thus very limited. Imagine Your favourite car-producer telling You "sorry its difficult to implement a motor but You could get 2 horses to pull Your car" @Orestes regarding Your comment on the combination of game-data and forum data making it difficult to implement a search function: The opposite is the case. Besides there is a difference between using game-data and using the game-servers databases directly . Anyhow even if CCP did (What I highly doubt if CCP's database-devs are not insane) it makes impelenting indexes and searching by no means any more difficult but even more important. And to repeat myself: with the used database backend CCP already has basic search functions, it just needs to be used. P.S. search functionality does NOT have negative impact on the database backend, the opposite is the case. Anyhow, no offense at all still just a proposal. Developement of systems linking ingame with the web is basicly what I did for a living for about 8 years to date. Should enable me to at least give a reasonable proposal taking into account wich technology and systems are already in use at CCP's site.
Schani Kratnorr	Posted - 2004.08.02 00:32:00 - [19] I seem to recall a similar thread a while back about getting a search feature on this forum, but I can't seem to locate it... -- "I am an expert in not caring. The trick is to stop giving a rat's ass about anyone else and start thinking about what YOU want, what YOU diserve, what the world ows YOU!" - Bender
Schani Kratnorr	Posted - 2004.08.02 00:32:00 - [20] I seem to recall a similar thread a while back about getting a search feature on this forum, but I can't seem to locate it... -- "I am an expert in not caring. The trick is to stop giving a rat's ass about anyone else and start thinking about what YOU want, what YOU diserve, what the world ows YOU!" - Bender
Wrangler	Posted - 2004.08.02 00:38:00 - [21] Regarding the stuff we say about a search function, we don't make it up ourselves, we just tell you what the web guys tells us. [Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators]
Wrangler	Posted - 2004.08.02 00:38:00 - [22] Regarding the stuff we say about a search function, we don't make it up ourselves, we just tell you what the web guys tells us. [Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators]
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.08.02 02:47:00 - [23] Edited by: Paw Sandberg on 02/08/2004 02:51:14 Originally by: Wrangler Regarding the stuff we say about a search function, we don't make it up ourselves, we just tell you what the web guys tells us. you beat me to saying that it would be nice and i think everyone knows it Edit: I forgot to say a solution of sorts atleast something there would help in the other Forums (crime and punishment etc etc) would be to make the page size bigger have 50 pages instead of the 20 there is now this would mean less bumping Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.08.02 02:47:00 - [24] Edited by: Paw Sandberg on 02/08/2004 02:51:14 Originally by: Wrangler Regarding the stuff we say about a search function, we don't make it up ourselves, we just tell you what the web guys tells us. you beat me to saying that it would be nice and i think everyone knows it Edit: I forgot to say a solution of sorts atleast something there would help in the other Forums (crime and punishment etc etc) would be to make the page size bigger have 50 pages instead of the 20 there is now this would mean less bumping Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Ka Dargo	Posted - 2004.08.02 03:33:00 - [25] Signed
Ka Dargo	Posted - 2004.08.02 03:33:00 - [26] Signed
White Fang	Posted - 2004.08.02 05:07:00 - [27] Well, if this board is MSSQL Server-driven, then I really don't know why it would be difficult. What's easier than running a search on an SQL engine? They were designed for that.
White Fang	Posted - 2004.08.02 05:07:00 - [28] Well, if this board is MSSQL Server-driven, then I really don't know why it would be difficult. What's easier than running a search on an SQL engine? They were designed for that.

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