You don't think being destroyed and implanted in a new clone should affect your ability to learn? Give me a break. Sounds like whining to me.

Also, learn to search. If you did, you would have seen that people LIKE attribute implants and this has been shot down several times before.

You're asking for the removal of an ISK sink and a major risk/reward factor in PvP. Risk/reward is important in Eve (specifically, in this case, the risk of losing your implants and the reward of increased training times). You're saying "Take away the risk and give me the max reward possible"; which would be very very bad for Eve.

tl;dr: No.

No, i'm not saying remove risk vs. reward

Yes, you are. You're asking to remove the risk of losing your +5s without removing the reward of having the +5s. Hence you're asking to remove a large chunk of the risk vs reward.

Yes, you are. You're asking to remove the risk of losing your +5s without removing the reward of having the +5s. Hence you're asking to remove a large chunk of the risk vs reward.

That's your take on it. Mine runs differently.

I see him asking to remove training benefits from avoiding PvP vs getting into it.
I see him asking to keep the implant slots but make them usable only with hardwires vs training implants.

No where in there do I see any removal of risk vs rewards, what I do see is disabling PvE benefits of "safe training" vs PvP players losing out on it because of learning implants that cost too much to use when you're going to lose that pod.

If you think the rare pop of a highsec pod with +5's does more than annoy them, you're wrong. That player will replace the implants and keep using +5's.

Who won't? The lowsec and nullsec and wormhole folks that daily face risks of PvP. THEY don't use high-end training implants so they don't keep up with the 22+ million SP a year "living safe in highsec" players and he's asking for that to be removed so it is no longer a "hidden" penalty of PvP in this game -- you won't train as fast as someone who sits "safe".

I kind of like the idea that PvP types can and will train as fast as any Jita 4-4 trader can. A PvP player may lose their pod but they won't fall behind on training simply to avoid "flying what they can't afford to lose" via training implants (which is all "attribute implants" are -- for training).

So swap out learning implant slots for hardwires? That could work. You'd have 5 more slots you could spend on to improve your performance -- but not train faster nor slower simply to avoid/afford losses to training.

i agree.

the way i see it is if you pvp, yes its risk/reward but if you dont then its just reward/reward. there is no harm in ballancing it out so everyone in eve is on an equal footing when it comes to training.

another thing to think about is the current over supply of hardwires making them cheap and throw away. once that supply dwindles (if the idea got implemented) these would go up in price and thus create that isk sink someone mentioned earlyer. also creates more risk.

high sec pve looses their god like training powers and pvp gains more.

The only limitation on this is that you wouldn't be able to fit 2 implants effecting the same attribute. So I wouldn't be able to fit 2 implants to effect tracking on large guns, but i would be able to fit one for large guns and one for small guns, or armor rep amount, etc. etc..

But I would be able to fit a 6% CPU and 6% PG implant at the same time. Part of the deal with implants is that there are benefits and consequences. If you fit the 6% CPU implant, you can't fit the 6% PG implant.

We have jump clones to address the risk of losing implants. If you head out to PvP, switch to your +3 clone. When you're done for the weekend, switch to your +5 clone. Note that +5 implants do not cost as much as high grade Snakes or Slaves, yet people still PvP with those implant sets.

It is not fear of losing +5 implants that keeps people out of PvP, it's fear of loss, and fear of failure. Switch to +3 implants for PvP, and you will not lose as many SP as going out in a naked clone.

There is nothing to fear but fear itself.

the current system unnecessarily penalizes null sec players. I see no reason to link learning speed with the security status of the systems in which you live.

Well, at least we agree on that part.

I do feel if you're going to have something in those slots then it should be something you have to risk, however, I don't feel it should be effectinge our attributes.

Heh yeah, that's why id like more pirate implants :)

The only reason I like attribute boosters is because I think it would make a nice isk sink if they had to be renewed periodically.

This is why we use jump clones to Pvp in. If you want to Pvp you accept a slower training time for the duration you are out of your training clone. People do not avoid Pvp to preserve their implants. There are a host of other reasons, thats not one of them.

People may not avoid pvp in lowsec due to implants cause its easy enough to save your pod. People do avoid pvp when bubbles come into play cause its easy to lose your pod. I used to pvp some in wormholes, every time i got podded first thing i did was go to trade hub and but new set of attribute implants. If i woulda lost a implant set when i had no isk i would have had to wait til i eraned the isk to buy the implants. This is a indirect nerf ever since i started playing to training times of people who hang out where bubbles form.
Jump clones are useful for other things like jumping across the galaxy, having multiple implant sets for different ships.
Maybe there's some information out there with relative training speeds per sec band.

I avoid PvP like the plauge for many reasons but not the least of which is because I don't' want to replace +5's and refuse to jump clone out of +5's.

Attribute implants and PLEXs are the only 2 items that give real life value. Training at more skill points per hour makes your monthly subscription more efficient as it takes less months of game time to get your character to a given point.