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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.03 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Damion Rayne To this man I say,
We will stand against you...
We will fight you at every turn...
We will give no quater...
We will not forgive...
To PIE I say to you, you should stare into that place that you dare not go, and when you do, you shall find me there staring back at you.
The formless void comes for you. Be ready.
Do you have any idea how many times we have seen rhetoric like this?
Neither do I, I lost count about 3 years ago. |

Damion Rayne
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.02.04 00:11:00 -
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No vailed threats, no rethoric...promise. When the federation stands over the burning rubble of the State. We will come for you, and your Empire will burn. |

Vaarun
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.04 19:24:00 -
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I believe that PIE and CVA find themselves at an unfortunate intersection in their duties and domains, and of their pride...and of their passions.
Each is working toward the same goal with different battlefields and different pieces.
Each is seeking to advance the flag of the Empire, while thwarting it's enemies.
Each is doing so to the best of their abilities while facing different challenges that the other may not fully understand or appreciate.
Perception and point-of-view are very important.
Announcements have been made, and policies and been put forth. In the early hours of these events, there were many assumptions, many misconceptions, and much confusion on all sides of this issue. Talks are happening at all levels and I am certain that more precise definitions and standing orders will develop from them.
To the best of my knowledge, the main problems have happened within a few degrees of separation on both sides. It is quite probable that PIE has allies, who have allies, that are allies to yet another ally, with allies in an alliance that ally with the ally of an ally, which, oddly enough, is a firm ally of the Tribal Liberation Forces. Such tenuous connections are commonplace in a dynamic universe made up of dynamic individuals and corporations. In the above situation, PIE can attack the TLF without many repercussions from their closest allies. However, what we have now is a situation where direct CVA and PIE allies might be at odds, thus requiring our attentions.
While we wrestle with the nuances our our respective policies and where they might cross, I would urge all true, loyal elements of the Amarrian Militia to behave in a non-aggressive fashion to CVA and it's allies when in Providence or outside. Some might see our policy as an oppurtunity to cause harm to CVA or their allies and run back to seek shelter provided by PIE...
You are very wrong.
In actuality, the policies we have set forth will make it harder for undesireable elements to hide within the Amarr Militia, and possibly even make it *more* dangerous for them to operate within the faction war arena. If you behave like a pirate, you will be shown for what you are...
I am certain when these announcements were made, the fetid wheels of conspiracy began churning within the minds of the Empire's enemies. There are those who would chain themselves to a rock and have their liver plucked out by crows if it would cause CVA and PIE to exchange fire. They dream of ways to engineer a conflict between us.
You can drop these dreams next to those of the Empire burning or winning the Crusade.
PIE and CVA are brothers. If you know brothers, or have brothers, they disagree and even fight from time to time, but after all is said and done, they are still brothers. PIE and CVA are still brothers and will still move forward for the good of the Empire, much to the detriment of all those who would seek to harm it and it's citizens...
Vaarun, Captain, PIE, Inc.
"To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees."
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.04 21:30:00 -
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So, is this disagreement based on your 'god' giving different guidelines to each organization, or each organization making up a different set of guidelines and claiming that they were 'divinely' inspired by your 'god'?
-- Becq Starforged
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.04 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 04/02/2009 22:05:11
Originally by: Becq Starforged So, is this disagreement based on your 'god' giving different guidelines to each organization, or each organization making up a different set of guidelines and claiming that they were 'divinely' inspired by your 'god'?
No, it's more based around which is the most efficient way to wipe evildoers like you from the face of the universe. |

Vaarun
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.05 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Becq Starforged So, is this disagreement based on your 'god' giving different guidelines to each organization, or each organization making up a different set of guidelines and claiming that they were 'divinely' inspired by your 'god'?
God does not micromanage. He inspires us and guides us with the general spirit of His will. He tells us where to go. It falls upon us to determine the best path to get there, but not stray too far.
If I may stretch the metaphor, CVA has their own path, but our destinations are the same. This is simply a crossing of those paths, and that does not mean it is a bad thing...
"To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees."
-Vaarun |

Vikarion
Caldari White Rose Society
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Posted - 2009.02.05 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Damion Rayne No vailed threats, no rethoric...promise. When the federation stands over the burning rubble of the State. We will come for you, and your Empire will burn.
So...never, then?
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.05 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck (CVA) The policy is now to continue to engage our enemies within the Crusade, and to further engage any who defend them without remorse or concern or any diplomatic actions on their behalf. If CVA vessels are fired upon by any in the Militia for any reason, CVA vessels will simply handle the tactical situation at hand by clearing the field of any aggressive vessels. There will no longer be diplomatic follow-up.
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri (PIE) Any attack on members of Crusader fleets while they are actively fighting in the Crusade will be considered a direct act of sabotage against the Amarrian Empire.
AS has been noted by others, it will be interesting to see how these two statements work out in the heat of battle.
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Vincent Pryce
Gallente Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Damion Rayne No vailed threats, no rethoric...promise. When the federation stands over the burning rubble of the State. We will come for you, and your Empire will burn.
So...never, then?
Oh come now uncle Vik, they did come for your precious Nation didn't they? Why wouldn't they go for the State and Empire. They, like the Amarr, wish to bring a better existence for all, and they burn you alive on live feed to prove it. |

Renee Chenault
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Posted - 2009.02.06 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Renee Chenault on 06/02/2009 20:08:19
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Sebastien Starstrider
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.06 20:09:00 -
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Edited by: Sebastien Starstrider on 06/02/2009 20:10:49 Though your organization may struggle greatly through the blood, sweat and tears in the process of defending your allies in the militia from others such as the Providence Holders, I am happy to know that it is a price you are willing to pay. And I do so look forward to seeing it paid. May your struggle be everlasting and cost you and your foes dearly in Amarrian lives and in Amarrian resources.
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Vikarion
Caldari White Rose Society
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Posted - 2009.02.06 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Pryce Oh come now uncle Vik, they did come for your precious Nation didn't they? Why wouldn't they go for the State and Empire. They, like the Amarr, wish to bring a better existence for all, and they burn you alive on live feed to prove it.
With a notable lack of success at quelling the military arm, I might add. Still, I have to admit, they are as effective against civilian populations as always.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.02.08 17:53:00 -
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I note that such luminous Amarr militia corporations as Vigilia Valeria and Gunship Diplomacy have come to their own conclusions about the meaning of the original statement by PIE Inc. Gunship Diplomacy, who have in another place railed against soi-disant Amarrian loyalists who reserve to themselves the right to fire on militia fighters, appear to support it. This is noted. Vigilia Valeria, which has a relationship to a certain alliance akin to that of a dockside prostitute to her pimp, has in its turn totally condemned the statement of PIE, claiming it to be support for pirates. This again is noted.
Meantime, Lok'ri reproached me and claimed that rather than his remarks, my own suspicions were the ones that could not be taken at face value. I am right readily apologetic and therefore I will take the original statement, as the above militia corps, amongst others, have done and return to my original and reasonable interpretation.
It would indeed seem that the PIE Inc statement amounts to them saying that any attack on a member of a corporation affiliated with the 24th Imperial Crusade, while it is flying in the zone of conflict between the Amarr Empire and Minmatar Republic, will be considered as sabotage against the Empire.
I'm gladdened that this is emerging as the consensus position among militia pilots as it certainly means that everyone knows where they stand, which is surely a good thing for everyone concerned.
The Cosmopolite
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 05:45:00 -
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Consider the apology accepted.
Not that such niceties can be taken to mean a great deal when there is a gulf of blood as large as the conflict between the Praetorians and the Star Fraction. But perhaps someday you and your anarchists will realize the fallacy of your ways and begin a life of penitence and repentance.
Not that I am holding my breath on that one. |

Alica Wildfire
Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2009.02.09 07:43:00 -
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Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 09/02/2009 07:45:34 I see no problem in this situation. Let the Amarr forces hack out their eyes like harpys about some lost ships that mean nothing. I would really look forward to see a big battles between PIE Inc., the CVA, Gunship Diplomacy and Vigilia Valeria.
For I would stand aside and dance and hold pompoms and encourage the most fierce fighters of them. And I'd bet on PIE. Not that they are the best of all fighters on the battleground, there are others that are equal. But they are some of the most disciplined and organized lot.
And after the smoke has drifted away I'd jump my salvager and get of the wrecks what I can. And I'd go and raid the rest of the Empire, burn it and wreck havoc and mayham until our people are free. Our people are going to raid the space of the CVA almost every day. Sometimes two times a day to destroy the financial backbone of that Allicance.
For the space they claim is rightful ours. It has been and it will be again. They call it piracy I call it an act of war. And the Amarr have lost their cause of fighting. Even their own militia has begun to raid the space of the CVA. They even have begun to kill their own militia. For everything the Amarr know is to kill, to occupy, to enslave, to exploit. There is no building up from the Empire. Only pious sayings and acts of violence and torture.
The Amarr Empire had long a ago a time where they were growing. Now they are nothing but the cancer of the universe that has to cut away for the new way of life to live. The future belongs to us, to Matari. To those who have better answers to the wonders of the universe than some thousand year old books that stammer of a nonexistant holy beeing and about that having sex with goats is bad.
Not that I'd say that sex with goats is good, you just have to take a look at the average zealot down there. But it is not telling us anything that would help us with problems we have, those who do not own goats. It is trying to establish a sort of society that had its chance and that failed thousand years ago. And that means this is the moment to go for something new.
I mean the Amarr have really a goat-problem, no? Most of them don't own them today anymore but their books are telling them everything about having a goat. And they go and enslave our people to make us their goats. Something like that. Man, I really do not understand what is going on in the head of an average slaver. I would dream in my worst nightmares what they do daily to our people out there.
So - let them have fun and let them slaughter themselves. Seems to be something, I can live with. |

Chanak Masato
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.02.26 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Damion Rayne No vailed threats, no rethoric...promise. When the federation stands over the burning rubble of the State. We will come for you, and your Empire will burn.
So...never, then?
You do realize that once the Amarr have no one else to attack, you are next... right?
You have room for dogmatic babble in a capitalist world? I am for capitalistic endeavors, but religious dogmatic brainwashed Kab'Amarah? Good luck with your backing an enemy that will turn on you like a disloyal dog.
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Vikarion
Caldari White Rose Society
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Posted - 2009.02.26 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Chanak Masato
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Damion Rayne No vailed threats, no rethoric...promise. When the federation stands over the burning rubble of the State. We will come for you, and your Empire will burn.
So...never, then?
You do realize that once the Amarr have no one else to attack, you are next... right?
You have room for dogmatic babble in a capitalist world? I am for capitalistic endeavors, but religious dogmatic brainwashed Kab'Amarah? Good luck with your backing an enemy that will turn on you like a disloyal dog.
Your comment makes no sense in the correct context.
It was a Gallente who was claiming that they would destroy the State, and then the Amarr Empire, not an Amarrian claiming the Gallente would be destroyed.
Besides, you should be aware - I am a Sansha loyalist, and the Amarr empire already tried to destroy us, and failed. Along with the Federation, the State, and the Republic. If the four of them could not quell us, we have little to fear from one of them.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.02.26 18:58:00 -
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I have to be impressed by Chanak Masatos necromantic powers.
First he resurrected a thread, and then he managed to call up a zombie. ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn. |

Vikarion
Caldari White Rose Society
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Posted - 2009.02.26 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel I have to be impressed by Chanak Masatos necromantic powers.
First he resurrected a thread, and then he managed to call up a zombie.
I resent that.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.02.26 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel I have to be impressed by Chanak Masatos necromantic powers.
First he resurrected a thread, and then he managed to call up a zombie.
First-rate, Nomakai, first-rate. Piquant, irresistible...
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Inara Subaka
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.02.27 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel I have to be impressed by Chanak Masatos necromantic powers.
First he resurrected a thread, and then he managed to call up a zombie.
*Inara appears on the screen still laughing heartily*
You sir should consider working at one of the comedy clubs here in Sinq Laison when your duties allow; your zingers are far better than the recent attractions.
And Vikarion... laugh a little, being called a zombie is one of the nicer things I've heard people say about your little club.
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Vikarion
Caldari White Rose Society
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Posted - 2009.02.27 06:03:00 -
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Originally by: Inara Subaka
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel I have to be impressed by Chanak Masatos necromantic powers.
First he resurrected a thread, and then he managed to call up a zombie.
*Inara appears on the screen still laughing heartily*
You sir should consider working at one of the comedy clubs here in Sinq Laison when your duties allow; your zingers are far better than the recent attractions.
And Vikarion... laugh a little, being called a zombie is one of the nicer things I've heard people say about your little club.
*Vikarion appears, still impossibly straight-faced.*
I resent that, too.
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Kinet
Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.27 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai
Originally by: Garreck (CVA) The policy is now to continue to engage our enemies within the Crusade, and to further engage any who defend them without remorse or concern or any diplomatic actions on their behalf. If CVA vessels are fired upon by any in the Militia for any reason, CVA vessels will simply handle the tactical situation at hand by clearing the field of any aggressive vessels. There will no longer be diplomatic follow-up.
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri (PIE) Any attack on members of Crusader fleets while they are actively fighting in the Crusade will be considered a direct act of sabotage against the Amarrian Empire.
AS has been noted by others, it will be interesting to see how these two statements work out in the heat of battle.
I am having a hard time following the arguement that you and others are presenting. The CVA statement clearly says they will return fire on any who attack them while the PIE statement says the exact same thing. Really, which one of us here would not fire back when attacked? Would UK pilots not return fire if the Minmatar militia opened fire on them? Do their brothers not assist them when attacked? Why do you treat these statements as if they are fuel to a fire? There is no fire here.
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Inara Subaka
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.02.28 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion *Vikarion appears, still impossibly straight-faced.*
I resent that, too.
I'm not exactly sure what you resent... I was trying to get you to smile, I know you can 'cause I've seen it on your holo ads for Significance or whatever you called your little PR routine.
How long has it been since you last visited a Federation Pleasure Hub? I've yet to have met anyone that doesn't leave one of their establishments with a smile on their face... I know I didn't back when I was still flying for the State, before the war.
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Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.28 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Chanak Masato You do realize that once the Amarr have no one else to attack, you are next... right?
You have room for dogmatic babble in a capitalist world? I am for capitalistic endeavors, but religious dogmatic brainwashed Kab'Amarah? Good luck with your backing an enemy that will turn on you like a disloyal dog.
Actually, if there's one thing I've learned during my travels it's that the Amarr are fairly trustworthy on the whole. Oh, sure, they have their backstabbers and liars - just look at the last Chamberlain - but in general, if an Amarrian's going to stab you they let you know first.
I think the Caldari are going to have to place that one in the "We'll cross that bridge if we ever come to it" category. There are more pressing concerns right now - a whole bloodthirsty democracy that's currently hell-bent on our destruction, for example. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |

Vikarion
Caldari White Rose Society
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Posted - 2009.02.28 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Inara Subaka
Originally by: Vikarion *Vikarion appears, still impossibly straight-faced.*
I resent that, too.
I'm not exactly sure what you resent... I was trying to get you to smile, I know you can 'cause I've seen it on your holo ads for Significance or whatever you called your little PR routine.
How long has it been since you last visited a Federation Pleasure Hub? I've yet to have met anyone that doesn't leave one of their establishments with a smile on their face... I know I didn't back when I was still flying for the State, before the war.
But, Miss Subaka, zombies cannot smile. Nor can we visit pleasure hubs.
Well, I suppose we could, but there are certain...problems that would be encountered, shall we say.
Can you blame me for resenting someone reminding me of my...disabilities? Surely, we must seek greater sensitivity for myself and all of our zombie brethren. Indeed, perhaps I should leave the Nation and pursue this great goal, after which, of course, I will be commemorated as the one visionary who saw a common future for all...um...shoot.
Let me get back to you on this, alright?
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.28 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri A person who governs oppressively, unjustly, and arbitrarily
His title is unjust? He was elected by the tribes........ Stop, hammer time. |

Inara Subaka
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.02.28 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion But, Miss Subaka, zombies cannot smile. Nor can we visit pleasure hubs.
*Inara's tone is in obvious jest as she asks*
Is this a confirmation that you are a zombie? One of the few that are denying you chosen deity of death their right to your soul?
Originally by: Vikarion Well, I suppose we could, but there are certain...problems that would be encountered, shall we say.
I'm sure your advanced cybernetics could assist you in overcoming such trivial problems... maybe even enhance the experience. Heck, I might even be interested in acquiring a couple set of that particular set if you get around to marketing them to the public.
Originally by: Vikarion Can you blame me for resenting someone reminding me of my...disabilities? Surely, we must seek greater sensitivity for myself and all of our zombie brethren. Indeed, perhaps I should leave the Nation and pursue this great goal, after which, of course, I will be commemorated as the one visionary who saw a common future for all...um...shoot.
Let me get back to you on this, alright?
*Inara breaks down in a small fit of laughter*
Of course you aren't a zombie, I've been close enough to you at The Gate that I'd have smelled the decaying flesh if you were and I've never seen you trying to eat anyone's brains. Though, I was enjoying your attempts to play the part.
((vid in link may be made by WoW fraps, but the music is fitting))
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Chanak Masato
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.03.13 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel I have to be impressed by Chanak Masatos necromantic powers.
First he resurrected a thread, and then he managed to call up a zombie.
Is it sad I am not resenting that? Meh, I guess I find it humorous in some twisted way mayhaps... *ponder .o0
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