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Peryner
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.02.02 08:15:00 -
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I'm not in a player corp, but I have questions about the current occurrences in 0.0 so I'll ask this here.
I look at the sov map and it's been bothering me that I don't know a whole bunch of relatively minor spaceholders that are often right in the middle of the fighting of the southern war. Also there's been COAD arguing about who has a lot more members or active pilots. While I'm not interested in how many pilots an alliance can field nightly I am interested to know who's actually fighting at all, who's on what side, and who's a renter or non-combatant.
I looked at the top 100 spaceholding alliances and tried to piece together as much as I could of the current powerblocks that might be involved in the southern war. I added up numbers of those I am pretty sure are involved in the war at the bottom (though of course I could be off and please let me know) and I ignored those who I thought might be renters or not even in the correct category, those are in "()". Corp member numbers are accurate as of now.
Again these numbers are just my very uneducated guess and if you know better please lemme know so I can get this more accurately figured. I'll keep "()" for noncombatants on the same side or members of a coalition who are not currently fighting in the southern theatre (I believe MH and IRON would fit this description currently, they are mopping up exclusively in the north as far as I've heard and so I won't add them to fighting numbers in the southern war at this time) and remove those who are neutral.
BoB/AAA/GBC BoB 3074 AAA 2038 AAA Citizens 855 EXE 1679 COVEN 453 Red.Overlord 299 Systematic-Chaos 1192 Stain Empire 469 Atlas 1141 Axiom Empire 1444 (Red Army Alliance 240) (Sublime Creations 484) (Frontal Impact 680) (BeachBoys 238) (Skunk-Works 1089) (Southern Cross Alliance 1267) (Blade. 587) (Interdiction 412) (X13 250) (CIC 226) (Ushra'Khan 500) ? (KenZoku 340) (COC 247) ? (RELAX 212) ? ----------------------- 12644 in fighting alliances (6772 uncertain)
Northern Coalition Morsus Mihi 2720 RAZOR 1932 Sc0rched Earth 510 (Mostly Harmless 1520) (IRON 1458) (Majesta Empire 1181) (Wildly Inappropriate 1061) (Guardian Federation 525) (Circle-Of-Two 626) (Stella Polaris 560) (Scalar-Federation 261) (Defi4nt 1036) ------------------------ 5162 in fighting alliances (8228 uncertain)
Red Swarm Federated Legion (cause really isn't it about time UNL got some recognition?) GS 5393 TCF 1522 UNL 970 RA 1281 (UNLeashed Legion 412) (KIA 756) (CVA 1120) ? (Kraftwerk. 573) (Zenith Affinity 409) ? (BLACK 827) ? (Ultima Rati0 806) (Damage Inc. 325) ? (Alternative Realities 680) ? (Rebellion Alliance 1037) ? (BURN 376) ? (626 218) ? (AX 212) ? (-NGI- 200) ? (MIST 174) ? (MAD 156) ? ---------------------- 9166 in fighting alliances (8281 uncertain)
Fountain Powers - PL/SoT/etc PL 836 (Sons of Tangra 1076) (Arcane Alliance 728) (Event Horizon. 208) (Crimson Dawn. 73) (PMS 289) (NO 84) (FR33 152) (FELON 73) (XXX 52) (CAA 24) ------------------- 836 in fighting alliances (2031 uncertain)
The Drone Region Clown Car (Solar Fleet 720) (Legion of xXDeathXx 523) (Intrepid Crossing 1580) (Ethereal Dawn 1477) (Shadow of xXDEATHXx 3278) (Soviet Mercenary 207) (Solar Wing 1320) (RISK 203) (CORE 102) (U-F-O 87) ----------------------- (9497 uncertain) - I know some of these are fighting but don't recall which
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Peryner
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.02.02 08:15:00 -
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Related questions:
Are these alliances losing the last of their space in the north? are they BoB allies? or just small NC allied or neutral spaceholders? Agony Empire 233 THOR 137 Penumbra Alliance 127 NEM 96 CH4NG 89 SLMR 34
What groups are just renting space? What groups are unaligned? What groups are fighting at least somewhat in the southern war? What unlisted (possibly large but non-spaceholding) groups are involved in the war that I'm missing?
Who of the Drone Region corps are at all involved in the southern war?
Who of the Fountain groups besides PL are involved in the southern war (moving out of Fountain to fight)? SoT?
Is Ushra'Khan involved in the southern war? Is CVA involved in the war or are AAA and CVA no longer interested in fighting each other?
Are there other groups like Atlas that are holding some small space deep in RSF space but aren't friendly to RSF that I might be mistaking for renters or small allied fighting alliances?
Are there any alliances still holding on against the NC in Pure Blind, Fade or Cloud Ring?
Thanks, I appreciate your time and feedback. I'll return and update this as time allows. |

Navtiqes
Englebarna
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Posted - 2009.02.02 08:44:00 -
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Edited by: Navtiqes on 02/02/2009 08:44:58 If you want history, many of the alliances involved have glorified themselves in the official Eve Wiki by writing essays of their escapades in their corp/alliance entrys.
Looking around there would be a good start while waiting for replys. |

Tandin
The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.02.02 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: Tandin on 02/02/2009 18:48:32
Originally by: Peryner Is Ushra'Khan involved in the southern war? Is CVA involved in the war or are AAA and CVA no longer interested in fighting each other?
*shrug* Go read Ombey's blog since that's his current alliance.
Ombey's Blog
0.0 is a fluid place. It changes constantly. Many of the smaller groups are renters or opportunists who move into a vacuum and then get booted back out by the bigger alliances when things settle down.
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Grista
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Posted - 2009.02.02 19:58:00 -
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I'll give you some confirmations below. You can pretty much cross off all the unknowns, as they at least don't appear to be involved in recent major battles:
Red Swarm Federated Legion (cause really isn't it about time UNL got some recognition?) GS 5393 TCF 1522 UNL 970 RA 1281 (UNLeashed Legion 412) - probably UNL alt/logistics/rental alliance, unknown to me (KIA 756) - RSF friendly, not involved in all campaigns (CVA 1120) - though they may hate BoB/GBC more, currently neutral (hostile) to RSF (Kraftwerk. 573) - RSF friendly, not often involved directly in campaigns (Zenith Affinity 409) - TCF renters, have contributed to recent campaign against ROL/-A-/BoB/GBC (BLACK 827) - unknown to me (Ultima Rati0 806) - RA alt/renter alliance, not involved in campaigns (Damage Inc. 325) - hostile to RSF I think, or unknown and confused with another group (Alternative Realities 680) - unknown to me (Rebellion Alliance 1037) - RSF friendly, unsure of their history, possibly an RA offshoot (BURN 376) - if that's Burn Eden they're pretty insignificant, not involved currently, standings likely neutral (626 218) - unknown to me (AX 212) - unknown to me, might be UNL renters (-NGI- 200) - unknown to me (MIST 174) - unknown to me (MAD 156) - unknown to me
The Drone Region Clown Car All are friendly to Goons and RA (or friendly to most alliances and corps) except perhaps the last three. There may be standings issues between some of them and UNL or TCF. Some have had limited involvement in recent campaign. |

Aneas King
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Posted - 2009.02.02 20:13:00 -
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Also understand that BoB for example has it's "core" pilots, but also has a number of pet alliances that live in their space.
The big bad 50mil SP plus BoB pilots aren't going to muck around with mining or logistics. So these alliances are given a fiefdom of sorts, i.e. they can live in BoB space in return for ice mining to provide a certain amount of starbase fuel, or something else of that nature.
These pilots help defend BoB space from interlopers and though not normally welcome in BoBs professional fleets, they frequently put out roaming gangs of their own which does a great deal to help secure sov and repel enemy gangs.
I'm not saying how I know this or anything. I'm not posting under an alt, and I'm DEFINATELY not a member of a BoB pet corp.
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Johli
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.02.02 20:39:00 -
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Those names are terrible. We upgraded to an SUV long ago. |

Grista
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Posted - 2009.02.02 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Johli Those names are terrible. We upgraded to an SUV long ago.
I LOL'd at it. Also, the OP has likely never been hot dropped by UAxDeath. |

Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.02 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tandin Edited by: Tandin on 02/02/2009 18:48:32
Originally by: Peryner Is Ushra'Khan involved in the southern war? Is CVA involved in the war or are AAA and CVA no longer interested in fighting each other?
*shrug* Go read Ombey's blog since that's his current alliance.
Ombey's Blog
0.0 is a fluid place. It changes constantly. Many of the smaller groups are renters or opportunists who move into a vacuum and then get booted back out by the bigger alliances when things settle down.
Agreed, ombey writes a great blog, especially if you like his in character flavour.
U'K are always going to be fighting CVA and their many allies until the day that they renounce slavery. Frankly we all know that day will never happen because that would suck and we would have no-one to fight. We do have interests in the region as catch has a good raiding pipe up into providence and hostile space, but our involvement in this current war has been very periforal, we've had a prescence at one fleet fight so far AFAIK, and that was early on when the fighting was more local to us.
CVA have not involved themselves as the fight doesnt really affect them, and generally if you leave them alone they are happy to stay in providence.
Not official UK position, just what I see from my position as a grunt. |

Christina Bamar
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.03 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: Peryner Related questions:
Are these alliances losing the last of their space in the north? are they BoB allies? or just small NC allied or neutral spaceholders? Agony Empire 233 THOR 137 Penumbra Alliance 127 NEM 96 CH4NG 89 SLMR 34
What groups are just renting space? What groups are unaligned? What groups are fighting at least somewhat in the southern war? What unlisted (possibly large but non-spaceholding) groups are involved in the war that I'm missing?
Who of the Drone Region corps are at all involved in the southern war?
Who of the Fountain groups besides PL are involved in the southern war (moving out of Fountain to fight)? SoT?
Is Ushra'Khan involved in the southern war? Is CVA involved in the war or are AAA and CVA no longer interested in fighting each other?
Are there other groups like Atlas that are holding some small space deep in RSF space but aren't friendly to RSF that I might be mistaking for renters or small allied fighting alliances?
Are there any alliances still holding on against the NC in Pure Blind, Fade or Cloud Ring?
Thanks, I appreciate your time and feedback. I'll return and update this as time allows.
Agony is and always has been a neutral entity. We prefer to fight everyone and have fun rather than the emo cutting that is known as alliance warfare :) |
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