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Abulurd Boniface Gallente Mercantile Exchange for Mining And Exploration	Posted - 2009.02.02 21:42:00 - [1] How about a Hulk-type space frame with room for 4 strip miners, requiring Exhumers V? It would have a cargo hold to match the increased output of the strip miners, with 1 extra low slot for a third Expanded Cargohold [II]. Let's name it "Barsoom". It would be a miner's mining boat. The big papa bear of Exhumers. Obviously it would cost halfway between ridiculous and obscene, but as with the Hulk, it would be worth the price of admission. Would that be a ship the miners among you would want to fly? Don't spare your candid remarks. Show me you care. Abulurd Boniface ME ME CEO
Karentaki Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.02.02 22:09:00 - [2] Sure, as long as it can't enter highsec - we already have enough macro miners and large corps stripping multiple systems in a day.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.02.02 23:09:00 - [3] No.... The Hulk as it is should only be granted to those who have Exhumes IV or V IMHO. Such a ship would make a mess of things... and as obviously pointed out already.... not allowed in high sec. =============== CEO of Clan Shadow Cadre www.shadowcadre.com ===============
Stick Cult	Posted - 2009.02.02 23:23:00 - [4] Being a miner, I would worship this ship, but I don't see it practical from a gameplay balance point of view. If it did, I agree, low-sec only and it would have to have some draw back other than just needing Exhumers V and an obscene price.
Eric Kerensky1 Gallente Dark Guardians Cartel Rising Orbit Free Trade League	Posted - 2009.02.03 04:34:00 - [5] I go u one step farther how bout a capital class miner with 6 or maybe as much as 10 strip miners required skills Exhumers lvl 5 as prerequisite to Capital Exhumer also same skill set needed for rorqual, as such it can only fly in low sec or null sec high. high hit points but low resists or vise versa will differently need a large bodyguard fleet
Silva Riley	Posted - 2009.02.03 11:06:00 - [6] So predictable... Hell no. The Hulk is already bad enough. 4 strip miners? Why not make a ship that devours whole asteroids in one second per asteroid?
Axel Vindislaga	Posted - 2009.02.03 11:50:00 - [7] Originally by: Silva Riley So predictable... Hell no. The Hulk is already bad enough. 4 strip miners? Why not make a ship that devours whole asteroids in one second per asteroid? GREAT IDEA! And then if can refine it as well and build small ships too.
Isaac Starstriker Amarr Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.02.03 21:47:00 - [8] Big NO. Got a problem with your hulk? Add an Orca. Still have a problem? Quit the game. The Hulk does way too well as it is. Its an effective shield tanker, has an insane amount of mining capability (though you may have to max your skills SHOCKER) and is very strong with an orca. We don't need a better Exhumer ship. WoW is --------------> --Isaac Isaac's Haul*Mart
Efrim Black Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.03 22:37:00 - [9] Originally by: Axel Vindislaga Originally by: Silva Riley So predictable... Hell no. The Hulk is already bad enough. 4 strip miners? Why not make a ship that devours whole asteroids in one second per asteroid? GREAT IDEA! And then if can refine it as well and build small ships too. Even better, you can dock frigates in it, and it ****s out cans filled with free isk everytime you enter warp. We can call it the Carebear Mobile Let it shiiiine.
Eric Kerensky1 Gallente Dark Guardians Cartel Rising Orbit Free Trade League	Posted - 2009.02.04 00:07:00 - [10] must not be miners! u shouldnt complain 'strip' miners and builders are what kept prices down and if ul like than maybe could have a penalty for more than 4 miners ie, longer cycle time. and as far as one roid a sec that's a gross overestimation even with maxed skills its take hulk at least an hour to strip one belt in 0.5 sec space *All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men and women do nothing.* -Edmund Burke
Metalcali Amarr	Posted - 2009.02.04 15:02:00 - [11] Started this char as a miner and I would agree with what was already said, the hulk is already good enough and should be put as IV or V. If you're a serious miner, you'll go for level V anyways for the bonuses, so that's not a problem.
Ancy Denaries Caldari Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.02.06 17:29:00 - [12] A step up from the Hulk should honestly not yeild any more. The problem is not the yield amount, but mining as a whole. A step up from Hulk would be larger cargohold and possibly a tanking bonus. But no more yeild tyvm. Balance is important, but you will always adapt to changing circumstances and you don't whine about stuff you can't change.
Trinity Faetal Gallente Terminal Velocity Inc. Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.02.08 05:03:00 - [13] T3 exhumers ?
Kalia Masaer Rosa Castellum	Posted - 2009.02.08 07:05:00 - [14] What about a 2 stripminer barge with an extra mid and low slot plus a slight buff on the armor, shields and structure. A ship designed for working in more dangerous space.
Isaac Starstriker Amarr Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.02.08 17:13:00 - [15] Originally by: Kalia Masaer What about a 2 stripminer barge with an extra mid and low slot plus a slight buff on the armor, shields and structure. A ship designed for working in more dangerous space. umm.....lol what would be the point? --Isaac Isaac's Haul*Mart
Sleepindpro	Posted - 2009.02.24 15:55:00 - [16] What about an exhumer for V which is larger than a hulk in size but a little weaker with same fittings and a a slightly larger cargo capacity but with a jump drive or a different type of jump driving using another fuel source since you wouldnt really want it to jump and mine and then jump again ?
William Caldon Caldari Amarr Sisterhood of Galactic Sirens	Posted - 2009.02.24 17:22:00 - [17] Edited by: William Caldon on 24/02/2009 17:22:07 Originally by: Sleepindpro What about an exhumer for V which is larger than a hulk in size but a little weaker with same fittings and a a slightly larger cargo capacity but with a jump drive or a different type of jump driving using another fuel source since you wouldn't really want it to jump and mine and then jump again ? I ask, what is the point? The Rorqual already does that, we don't need another Industry-based jump drive ship.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.24 17:25:00 - [18] I'd rather see a logistical change in how the exhumers are handled now. Making V required for the hulk and ORca and buffing the yield amounts while changing the volume requirements on the low end minerals.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.02.24 17:53:00 - [19] Originally by: Eric Kerensky1 must not be miners! I am a miner, and I can emphatically say this would be a horrible idea. Hulks are overpowered as it is Frankly, the Mining, Mining Barge, and Spaceship Command requirements should all be raised to level 5, The way the ship is set up now, it was obviously intended to maximize mining potential in low or null sec, not high sec. So let's limit it to low sec or trim its shield resistance boosts to no more that 2.5% per level (or cut them altogether). It won't stop the macro miners, but it will sure slow them down some if they have to use smaller less efficient ships. --Vel --Vel There is no right or wrong way. There is only what works and what leaves you waking up in a clone vat.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.02.24 19:38:00 - [20] Originally by: De'Veldrin Originally by: Eric Kerensky1 must not be miners! I am a miner, and I can emphatically say this would be a horrible idea. Hulks are overpowered as it is Frankly, the Mining, Mining Barge, and Spaceship Command requirements should all be raised to level 5, The way the ship is set up now, it was obviously intended to maximize mining potential in low or null sec, not high sec. So let's limit it to low sec or trim its shield resistance boosts to no more that 2.5% per level (or cut them altogether). It won't stop the macro miners, but it will sure slow them down some if they have to use smaller less efficient ships. --Vel It is NOT overpowered... Just needs to be nudged to Exhumers IV or V.... that or the Covetor should be moved to III or IV. What makes a Hulk Overpowered are the bonuses you can stack on it. =============== CEO of Clan Shadow Cadre www.shadowcadre.com ===============
Herschel Yamamoto Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2009.02.24 20:27:00 - [21] We already have three ships that you get Exhumers V for, I don't see why we'd need a fourth. The Hulk is fine(as are the Mackinaw and Skiff), and we don't need or want better. I could see some space for another exhumer, with less capability and more security, but really that's what an Apoc(or Hype, or Aba, or Rokh, or Mael) is for.
Abulurd Boniface Mercantile Exchange for Mining And Exploration	Posted - 2009.02.24 21:54:00 - [22] Edited by: Abulurd Boniface on 24/02/2009 21:57:31 Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto We already have three ships that you get Exhumers V for, I don't see why we'd need a fourth. The Hulk is fine(as are the Mackinaw and Skiff), and we don't need or want better. I could see some space for another exhumer, with less capability and more security, but really that's what an Apoc(or Hype, or Aba, or Rokh, or Mael) is for. I most certainly do want better. The exhumers are souped up barges. That's what they are: a barge is one of the component parts of an exhumer. Apparently you want to mine in combat ships, because that makes the most sense. If so, why go for a preposterous puny munchkin like a Rokh? I want [I -will- at some point] to mine in a Titan. No, don't say it, obviously that's ridiculous too. Give the combat types Frigates Destroyers Cruisers Battlecruisers Battleships Covert Ops Command Ships Carriers Motherships Titans [-somebody- is going to point out the ones I missed for sure] why do they get all these behemoths? Why isn't a cruiser enough bang for your buck? Do you -have- to have Titans? Is it really necessary? Wouldn't PvP be a lot more fun if it was just frigates, destroyers, cruisers and battlecruisers? You know, stuff you could actually afford to lose? In the mean time I get to dance around in a Skiff [which they had to give the Mercoxit bonus if they ever wanted -anybody- to get one], a Mackinaw if I'm after ice [two beams at a time] and the Hulk, the only boat that kinda maybe does a halfway decent job of mining a fair amount of ore. Especially don't give me a better mining boat, that would be nothing short of sacrilege. I mean, a ship that can actually withstand the onslaught of three bored gankers without folding like a cardboard box and maintain its core functionality as an ore extractor. What am I thinking! Some miners here think the Hulk is too good and too easy to get. I commented on that elsewhere. Bigger and better combat vessels: yes please. Bring it on. Moar firepower! More types of guns, a bewildering array of ammunition and thousands of ways to pimp out the slots when there's room left after the essentials are taken care of. A better exhumer?! There must be something wrong with me. What I really should be going for is a combat ship with mining lasers. That's what I always wanted: mining a commodity into a purse! Yay me. Why not equip the Velator with spoons? Would that be fair enough? Let's just scoop the ore out of the rocks and carry it to the station one spitball at a time. That would be a challenge truly worthy of New Eden. This actually ticks me off no end. To wit: Exhumers V, totally in line with the 5-based scheme of EVE allows for an exhumer with FIVE! laser mounts. It serves as a deep core mining unit strictly for nulsec operation. It's slower because it has to put more energy in the beams, but it mines and refines its own ore in a hold the size of an Orca. And it has a freighter-sized tank. There you go. That's the one I wanted to mention in the first place. I will call mine: Olof Palme. Abulurd Boniface ME ME CEO For good to survive it suffices for evil to acquire a deadly, incapacitating disease.
Herschel Yamamoto Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2009.02.24 23:11:00 - [23] The exhumers are mining ships, yes. The Hulk is a Covetor with extra cargo hold, a bit more tank, and +9-15% yield, and the other two are basically Hulks that get a fourth high for mining one specific type. Why is that such a bad thing? It's exactly what the Exhumer family ought to look like. And I don't suggest mining in combat ships per se. What I'm saying is that there is no reasonable place for a higher-yield mining ship to be added to the game, so the direction it could go in is for greater security with reduced yield. However, we already have that, which is why I mentioned the Rokh - a Hulk set up for max yield mines 1326 m3/minute, whereas a Rokh gets 1059, or 80% as much. However, it gets about 4x the effective HP base, and can get up to 9x if you want it. Of course, you can also go far higher if you start stripping mining upgrades to get your CPU back and fit up a proper battleship-sized shield tank, instead of the cruiser-sized buffer tank that I have on that fit. Given that the niche for a ship that mines almost as much as a Hulk with far better protection is filled by the five eight-turret battleships as-is, I see no need for adding a new one of the same design intent to the Exhumers list. Since I've already dismissed the four-strip Exhumer as a bad idea, and I can't think of any other natural niches for a new Exhumer to fill, I'm not going to support the idea of adding a new Exhumer to the game. There's no need for a new one, because the Hulk is fine, and adding anything better would just lead to silly results, especially if you follow though on your idea of giving it refining ability as well. Hope that's clear. Also, why would you want to mine in a Titan? It's been done.
Abulurd Boniface Gallente Mercantile Exchange for Mining And Exploration	Posted - 2009.02.25 01:34:00 - [24] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto However, we already have that, which is why I mentioned the Rokh - a Hulk set up for max yield mines 1326 m3/minute, whereas a Rokh gets 1059, or 80% as much. However, it gets about 4x the effective HP base, and can get up to 9x if you want it. You just prove my point there. You're saying that a battleship, if you beef it up a bit, will keep pace with a Hulk, the best miner in the business. So, the ship that's supposed to be the best miner is marginally better than a well-equipped battleship. That means that the miner gets a ship that's better at mining only in token. A ship that's specifically designed to mine should not just be able to outdo a differently fitted battleship, it should be -vastly- better. I'm told I should just shut up and be happy with what I have when what I have is nothing more than a flying pacifier. The miner isn't the best equipped capsuleer in New Eden, it turns out his flagship miner mines only a little bit faster than a battleship, but hey, it's got a bigger hold. Does the term 'cold comfort' mean anything to you? And on top of that: a lot of people are even convinced that the Hulk is too easy to get. What we should be getting is a ship that doesn't perform as well so that everybody in a battleship does a better job of mining than the miner does. And you're ok with that? Why have miners in the first place? When everybody and their grandmother gets to fit an epeen to fit their egos, the miner doesn't even get one decent mining vessel. That's the reality of it. It's even worse: expressing the desire for one is akin to a social faux pas. What? You want a better miner? How dare you? 5 strip miners Orca-sized cargo Freighter-sized tank Ore refining facility Fighther-class drones Every time you want me to do with less, I'm adding to the wish list. Quote: Also, why would you want to mine in a Titan? It's been done. I'm not going for originality. I want to mine in a really big ship. What anybody else does makes no difference to me. I have wanted to mine in a titan since the first time someone mentioned the Avatar [about three days into the loony bin]. I -will- have a Titan one day [not soon, but one day], I -will- mine with it. Abulurd Boniface ME ME CEO For good to survive it suffices for evil to acquire a deadly, incapacitating disease.
place1 Orion Ore International	Posted - 2009.02.25 04:44:00 - [25] +1 to a new Exhumer ship that vastly out performs a mining battleship.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.02.25 15:33:00 - [26] Quote: I'm not going for originality. I want to mine in a really big ship. What anybody else does makes no difference to me. I have wanted to mine in a titan since the first time someone mentioned the Avatar [about three days into the loony bin]. I -will- have a Titan one day [not soon, but one day], I -will- mine with it. We -will- be the first ones there to blow it up. =============== CEO of Clan Shadow Cadre www.shadowcadre.com ===============
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.25 17:31:00 - [27] Originally by: Abulurd Boniface [ 5 strip miners Orca-sized cargo Freighter-sized tank Ore refining facility Fighter-class drones So you want a ship that can do what a Rorqual, Carrier, and Freighter can all in one along with mining capability and allowed into empire space. While we're at it, can it have fairies, pixies, leprachauns... oooo and truck nuts. cause everything that big needs truck nuts.
Abulurd Boniface Gallente Mercantile Exchange for Mining And Exploration	Posted - 2009.02.25 17:44:00 - [28] Originally by: Drake Draconis Quote: I'm not going for originality. I want to mine in a really big ship. What anybody else does makes no difference to me. I have wanted to mine in a titan since the first time someone mentioned the Avatar [about three days into the loony bin]. I -will- have a Titan one day [not soon, but one day], I -will- mine with it. We -will- be the first ones there to blow it up. I fully expect you to be there. You are what makes New Eden such a great and fun place to be in. It's a mystery to me why mining in a Titan would be such a big leap of the imagination. Ok, it's big, it's expensive, it's as elegant as flying in a concrete bathtub, so what? I'm not bothering anyone. I just want to mine. Why is that a problem? Abulurd Boniface ME ME CEO For good to survive it suffices for evil to acquire a deadly, incapacitating disease.
Abulurd Boniface Gallente Mercantile Exchange for Mining And Exploration	Posted - 2009.02.25 18:04:00 - [29] Edited by: Abulurd Boniface on 25/02/2009 18:04:51 Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: Abulurd Boniface [ 5 strip miners Orca-sized cargo Freighter-sized tank Ore refining facility Fighter-class drones So you want a ship that can do what a Rorqual, Carrier, and Freighter can all in one along with mining capability and allowed into empire space. While we're at it, can it have fairies, pixies, leprachauns... oooo and truck nuts. cause everything that big needs truck nuts. -You- said it would be allowed in Empire Space. Not I. I have a hard time grasping why my request for a real mining vessel would be so offensive. Miners apparently aren't supposed to make a decent living. Many people [not all] commenting are not/don't want to be miners. What they really want is to tell me what ship I can't have even though they're not interested in the profession at all. The fighter jocks have battleships. If battleships are not enough there are command ships. When command ships are too small here, help yourself to a carrier. Then those... you know, it's not really there yet, they need more punch, so they get a whole dreadnought. But actually... there's just one more thing missing. We need us a Titan. Yes, one of those will do. Do they come in blue? And you know what: more power to you. Knock yourself out [rather, take the other guy first]. When I want a big miner, I can't have it. Somebody points out that a battleship is slightly less efficient than a Hulk, which makes it better than all the rest of the mining fleet. Apparently there is no disconnect there. A battleship can mine as good as an exhumer. An exhumer does not fight as well as a battleship [or else I don't have those skills yet]. One miner. That's all I ask for. One good mining boat. In all the vast armada of military vessels available to the combat-inclined capsuleer, all I want is something that stands out as a mining ship, just the one, and what is the answer? I can't have it, I believe in fairy tales. Gee thanks, fellas. Let me know if I can do something for you too. 5 lasers Orca-sized cargo Freighter-sized tank Ore refining capability Figher-class drones A clone vat In 15 days' time you guys get 3125 brand spanking new cruisers. I can't get one decent miner. Talk about living large, EVE. Abulurd Boniface ME ME CEO For good to survive it suffices for evil to acquire a deadly, incapacitating disease.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.25 18:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Abulurd Boniface When I want a big miner, I can't have it. Somebody points out that a battleship is slightly less efficient than a Hulk, which makes it better than all the rest of the mining fleet. Apparently there is no disconnect there. A battleship can mine as good as an exhumer. An exhumer does not fight as well as a battleship [or else I don't have those skills yet]. I assume you are referring to the Apoc and the insanely crazy need to both staggers the cycles and empty your cargo at a rate which makes playing Diablo on nightmare look easy. You also lose much of the tanking ability that the BS has as well compared to a like fitted hulk (Ie fitted for maximum mining efficiency) Even with MLUs in the lows a Hulk can tank effectively against rats and some PvP encounters. You'll never get the same in a BS (at least pre Quantum, haven't checked recently) And apparently you've never seen how fun it is to gank using a Hulk We already have capital class mining ships as well. The Rorqual and Orca.

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