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KrakizBad
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Posted - 2004.08.02 15:45:00 -
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So i was talking about my dominix last night and the fact that replacing my mega with it saved isk, and i could mine just as much, sense i use harvesters. I mine crokite and bistot. A member of my corp spouted off that no matter what i would never be able to mine like an apoc. I hung my head and mumbled and went on my way. Later, i thought about this while laying in bed. I pull 5 bistot with each laser, and that's the most you can pull with skills. Dominix has 6 turrets, 6*5=30. Apoc has 8 turrets, 8*5=40. Now the dominix can theoretically use 15 harvesters. I have mining drone 4, and pull 2 bistot per pull, and don't think lvl 5 makes a dif either. Using 15 harvesters allows for 30 bistot to be pulled. Max harvester usage in an Apoc is 10, 10*2=20. So, in conclusion 40-30=10, which is difference of ore pulled by lasers. And 30-20=10, which is difference of ore pulled by harvesters. 40-30=10=30-20. So, according to my math, a Dominix is capable of mining just as much as an apoc. I realize that 2 high rank lvl 5 skills are needed for this, and harvesters are very pricy, but still. I just wanted to double check my math and arguement so taht when i get on tonight i will have facts to back me up that apoc is not God. And, if anyone knows if taking mining drones to lvl 5 gives you 3 bistot per pull let me know, as this would actually make the dominix better. And if i remember, doesn't the dominix have bigger cargo? So if you're skilled and rich it can actually be a better miner, right? I know everyone loves the stupid apoc, but numbers don't lie.
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KrakizBad
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Posted - 2004.08.02 15:45:00 -
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So i was talking about my dominix last night and the fact that replacing my mega with it saved isk, and i could mine just as much, sense i use harvesters. I mine crokite and bistot. A member of my corp spouted off that no matter what i would never be able to mine like an apoc. I hung my head and mumbled and went on my way. Later, i thought about this while laying in bed. I pull 5 bistot with each laser, and that's the most you can pull with skills. Dominix has 6 turrets, 6*5=30. Apoc has 8 turrets, 8*5=40. Now the dominix can theoretically use 15 harvesters. I have mining drone 4, and pull 2 bistot per pull, and don't think lvl 5 makes a dif either. Using 15 harvesters allows for 30 bistot to be pulled. Max harvester usage in an Apoc is 10, 10*2=20. So, in conclusion 40-30=10, which is difference of ore pulled by lasers. And 30-20=10, which is difference of ore pulled by harvesters. 40-30=10=30-20. So, according to my math, a Dominix is capable of mining just as much as an apoc. I realize that 2 high rank lvl 5 skills are needed for this, and harvesters are very pricy, but still. I just wanted to double check my math and arguement so taht when i get on tonight i will have facts to back me up that apoc is not God. And, if anyone knows if taking mining drones to lvl 5 gives you 3 bistot per pull let me know, as this would actually make the dominix better. And if i remember, doesn't the dominix have bigger cargo? So if you're skilled and rich it can actually be a better miner, right? I know everyone loves the stupid apoc, but numbers don't lie.
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Barth3zzzNL
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Posted - 2004.08.02 15:53:00 -
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Id prefer an apoc simply because harvesters can die and mining beams cant 
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Barth3zzzNL
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Posted - 2004.08.02 15:53:00 -
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Id prefer an apoc simply because harvesters can die and mining beams cant
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.08.02 15:54:00 -
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1. Try training paragraphs lvl 5. Increases forum response rate by 10% /level.
2. Harvesters for bistot ? Sounds expensive to me. I hope you don't mind losing a few.
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.08.02 15:54:00 -
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1. Try training paragraphs lvl 5. Increases forum response rate by 10% /level.
2. Harvesters for bistot ? Sounds expensive to me. I hope you don't mind losing a few.
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Mamarto
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Posted - 2004.08.02 16:10:00 -
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If I remember right from back when I did the math myself, the two ships can mine the exact same amount of ore per minute, the difference is that the Apoc doesn't need to be trained to level 5 for it to do so.
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Mamarto
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Posted - 2004.08.02 16:10:00 -
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If I remember right from back when I did the math myself, the two ships can mine the exact same amount of ore per minute, the difference is that the Apoc doesn't need to be trained to level 5 for it to do so.
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KrakizBad
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Posted - 2004.08.02 16:48:00 -
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Yeah, i didn't say that it was more efficient to use the domi, or that it was smarter. I'm just getting confirmation that it can compete with Apoc.
And harvesters are ok to use as long as you sit on the bistot so you can suck them in when npc show up. I've never lost harvies in 0.0, only in emp carebear mining and paying half attention.
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KrakizBad
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Posted - 2004.08.02 16:48:00 -
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Yeah, i didn't say that it was more efficient to use the domi, or that it was smarter. I'm just getting confirmation that it can compete with Apoc.
And harvesters are ok to use as long as you sit on the bistot so you can suck them in when npc show up. I've never lost harvies in 0.0, only in emp carebear mining and paying half attention.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.08.02 17:01:00 -
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The dominix can have 15 mining drones!!!!!
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Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies |
Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.08.02 17:01:00 -
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The dominix can have 15 mining drones!!!!!
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Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies |
Allaina
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Posted - 2004.08.02 17:39:00 -
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We have a dedicated Dom miner in our corp. The fact that you are missing from that eqation is that the dom has enough drone space to pack combat drones aswell. So, by parking close to the `roid you can scoop your harvies and deploy your combat drones quickly. With current drone combat 15 heavies is more than enough to take out several cruisers.
If the Apoc and the Dom are both mining the same, then the dom is better for solomining due to it's ability to defend itself.
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Allaina
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Posted - 2004.08.02 17:39:00 -
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We have a dedicated Dom miner in our corp. The fact that you are missing from that eqation is that the dom has enough drone space to pack combat drones aswell. So, by parking close to the `roid you can scoop your harvies and deploy your combat drones quickly. With current drone combat 15 heavies is more than enough to take out several cruisers.
If the Apoc and the Dom are both mining the same, then the dom is better for solomining due to it's ability to defend itself.
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Ishtari
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Posted - 2004.08.02 18:01:00 -
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Dont forget that a domi costs roughly half of an apoc.
So from economical point of view go Domi;)
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Ishtari
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Posted - 2004.08.02 18:01:00 -
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Dont forget that a domi costs roughly half of an apoc.
So from economical point of view go Domi;)
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Muntz
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Posted - 2004.08.02 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: Muntz on 02/08/2004 19:06:44
Lol...harvies. Sheesh. At like 4 million isk a pop now, I'd be more than a little paranoid deploying 15 out in 0.0. That's like...having 15 dogs in your house and letting them all out in a neighborhood full of mean farmers with shotguns. Chances are, you're gonna lose a few dogs.
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Muntz
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Posted - 2004.08.02 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: Muntz on 02/08/2004 19:06:44
Lol...harvies. Sheesh. At like 4 million isk a pop now, I'd be more than a little paranoid deploying 15 out in 0.0. That's like...having 15 dogs in your house and letting them all out in a neighborhood full of mean farmers with shotguns. Chances are, you're gonna lose a few dogs.
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Soulplay
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Posted - 2004.08.02 19:12:00 -
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Drones take time to fly toward astroid then back to the ship to unload. That take good amount of time if mines a lot. Also, since we all know how "good" servers are. If a node went off line while harvesters are out, there is a good chance that you will lose them. Bottem line, Apoc is better. It might cost twice as much but it is also a great combat ship also.
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Soulplay
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Posted - 2004.08.02 19:12:00 -
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Drones take time to fly toward astroid then back to the ship to unload. That take good amount of time if mines a lot. Also, since we all know how "good" servers are. If a node went off line while harvesters are out, there is a good chance that you will lose them. Bottem line, Apoc is better. It might cost twice as much but it is also a great combat ship also.
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RdAndy
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Posted - 2004.08.02 19:30:00 -
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while training bs 5 is perfectly justified, i cant see myself spending weeks training drone interfacing 5, although i have a dominix, i dont like it for mining, as i think i can buy something much better witht the 45mil+ i would be spending on harvies.
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RdAndy
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Posted - 2004.08.02 19:30:00 -
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while training bs 5 is perfectly justified, i cant see myself spending weeks training drone interfacing 5, although i have a dominix, i dont like it for mining, as i think i can buy something much better witht the 45mil+ i would be spending on harvies.
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KrakizBad
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Posted - 2004.08.02 21:00:00 -
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Well i don't spend 4 mil on harvesters. I stocked up on them right after they were removed from drops, expecting the price hike. No, don't have any extra for sale though.
I think dom is the better solo miner. If i get another ship it will be another mega. My char. is too good to fly slave ships.
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KrakizBad
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Posted - 2004.08.02 21:00:00 -
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Well i don't spend 4 mil on harvesters. I stocked up on them right after they were removed from drops, expecting the price hike. No, don't have any extra for sale though.
I think dom is the better solo miner. If i get another ship it will be another mega. My char. is too good to fly slave ships.
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Allaina
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Posted - 2004.08.02 21:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Soulplay
Drones take time to fly toward astroid then back to the ship to unload.
As I said, park close to the `roid. I've seen 13 harvies get scooped and 13 heavies deployed in just a couple seconds. When you are 0m away from the `roid the harvies are always in scoop range.
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Allaina
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Posted - 2004.08.02 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Soulplay
Drones take time to fly toward astroid then back to the ship to unload.
As I said, park close to the `roid. I've seen 13 harvies get scooped and 13 heavies deployed in just a couple seconds. When you are 0m away from the `roid the harvies are always in scoop range.
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Resdayn
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Posted - 2004.08.02 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Allaina
Originally by: Soulplay
Drones take time to fly toward astroid then back to the ship to unload.
As I said, park close to the `roid. I've seen 13 harvies get scooped and 13 heavies deployed in just a couple seconds. When you are 0m away from the `roid the harvies are always in scoop range.
Correct me if im wrong but a roid says poff in no time...and moving over to each and one of em to have your drones within scoop range makes it hard for the hauler that means u must have one dude always running and make bms....and in the matter of an attack...well youre dead....dominix may rule in the safe systems but when it get rough i will rely in my armor on my apoc...
Mariah Lawsara:
do you ever get laid or do you have to rely on Gallente hookers to help you?
Resdayn:
I have never engulfed myself in the heretics of gallantean foundation of economy... |
Resdayn
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Posted - 2004.08.02 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Allaina
Originally by: Soulplay
Drones take time to fly toward astroid then back to the ship to unload.
As I said, park close to the `roid. I've seen 13 harvies get scooped and 13 heavies deployed in just a couple seconds. When you are 0m away from the `roid the harvies are always in scoop range.
Correct me if im wrong but a roid says poff in no time...and moving over to each and one of em to have your drones within scoop range makes it hard for the hauler that means u must have one dude always running and make bms....and in the matter of an attack...well youre dead....dominix may rule in the safe systems but when it get rough i will rely in my armor on my apoc...
Mariah Lawsara:
do you ever get laid or do you have to rely on Gallente hookers to help you?
Resdayn:
I have never engulfed myself in the heretics of gallantean foundation of economy... |
terrahertz
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Posted - 2004.08.02 23:32:00 -
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Well the other really good way to use the dom for mining is armour tank with the domi, and have soo many cap relays that u can mine at the same time, i have found this really effective in 0.0 myself as u can tank a spawn with a few cruisers and frigates while still happily mining away. Other benefit is they dont touch ur harvesters aslong as u dont launch them till all the NPC's in the belt are attacking u.
Terrahertz
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terrahertz
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Posted - 2004.08.02 23:32:00 -
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Well the other really good way to use the dom for mining is armour tank with the domi, and have soo many cap relays that u can mine at the same time, i have found this really effective in 0.0 myself as u can tank a spawn with a few cruisers and frigates while still happily mining away. Other benefit is they dont touch ur harvesters aslong as u dont launch them till all the NPC's in the belt are attacking u.
Terrahertz
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