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Mixedblood Interstellar Fleet The Freedom Alliance of EvE 0	Posted - 2012.04.21 10:03:00 - [1] - Quote What are some of the most productive best ways for me make isk outside of incursions? I can fly a t2 criuse CNR, Tengu, T2 Nightmare & logi5 basilisk . http://eveboard.com/pilot/Mixedblood Started off training for CNR & t2 cruise for missions, then learned about incursions & trained for a t2 nightmare, then decided to get a tengu for everything non-incursion, then got a basilisk to use in incursions. Freaking hilarious that a day or two after i'm done training logi5 i'll lose the reason I trained it in the first place, but i'll just find something else to do to get isk. I know this seems like a dumb question but I have been inactive for the most part since starting college about a year & a half ago. I actually only put in enough time into inc's to get my nm/tengu/plex to last from november till may NOT looking into lv 4 missions... Was thinking about WH space though after the semesters over in a few weeks. PS: Is now a good time to sell my NM? (only lv 4's & inc's come to mind when I try to think of what I could use it for)
Fynen Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.04.21 10:56:00 - [2] - Quote That depends.... on a lot of things. But one thing it depends on is how many ppl know about it and act on that knowledge. So, asking other ppl on the forum to tell you their secret on how to earn lots of iskies will likely fail or perhaps get you mediocre answers. Since you obviously have played for a time already, just get down to business and start playing eve. Try different things and look what eve can tell you. There are lots of ways to get your iskies to proliferate. ;-)
Eladanus Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 27	Posted - 2012.04.21 11:05:00 - [3] - Quote Personally I choose not to look at it as finding one thing to do to make ISK, that way youd end up just thinking of it as a job and get bored grinding away. As it is I run missions half the time and then do high-sec exploration when I cba with missions. Its not the best income but it stops me from changing my mind and getting bored all the time like you said you have. As Fynen said people arent going to tell you their secrets, though from what I gather either running incursions or getting in a good WH corp is a good way of getting money.
Mixedblood Interstellar Fleet The Freedom Alliance of EvE 0	Posted - 2012.04.21 14:24:00 - [4] - Quote Its not that I got bored with incursions, its just that i heard that they are getting nerfed on the 24th. The 10% payout cut to vg's I could take, but they want to make it so you can't blitz the sites as well... meaning even assaults will suck. I need at least 70m+ min an hour to be happy with it (because it dosent include the time it would take to find a decent shiny fleet with a good fc) & i'm not sure if thats gunna work after it happens. So just in case I decide inc's aren't worth it anymore, i'm asking about other ways of making isk via PvE with my current skillset that might net me around what I used to make on a slow-avarage inc day. (roughly enough for a plex with 4-7 hours put in Call me a noob but, only ways I know how to make isk with PvE on this character are lv 4's(not enough isk) / WH / Inc. As I said, highly inactive because of college. I'll have alot of time after this semesters over though. I'm thinking i'll just look for a decent WH corp or something, been wanting to experience WH life for ahwile now but never actually went for it because I diddnt have the time.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 57	Posted - 2012.04.21 14:56:00 - [5] - Quote lvl4s are currently the second-best source of income, especially with good combat skills and Pro Synergy support. they will get nerfed next patch though, and 0.0 mining ops as well as WHs should become more profitable.
Caldari Citizen 786478786 107	Posted - 2012.04.21 15:31:00 - [6] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: lvl4s are currently the second-best source of income You're joking right? Or, maybe just ignorant? Level 4's might be in the Top 5 most profitable sources of income in EVE, but they are far from 2nd best. You can easily rate Wormholes, Exploration and Incursions ahead of Level 4 missions and I'm certain there are dedicated traders and industrialists that can pull in more income with less effort than the average L4 mission runner.
Arazel Chainfire Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension 94	Posted - 2012.04.21 16:41:00 - [7] - Quote I hate to inform you of this, but the "nerf" to incursions isn't really going to have that big an effect. Lets take this point by point Vanguards 10% nerf - if you were in a shiny fleet, you were already making between 100 and 150mil isk/hour. Now you are making between 90 and 135mil isk/hour But then, they are going to be making them random and not blitzable? Ohs noes, the sky is falling. Erm... before the "buff" to OTA's, way back when, when you still had to swat all the frigs and cruisers to be able to leave the field, my fleets were still completing them in 4-5 minutes. Which if you take 5 min between sites and make 9mil isk/site, you now make over 100mil isk/hour. NCO's aren't going to have any real change, unless they actually add something new instead of just making the trigger random. And NMC's, well... i don't really see any way that they can really reduce your time running those Assaults OMG the trigger is random/last ship on field. Well... from how I ran assaults way back when, I don't really see any major change here HQ's if the trigger is the last ship in a wave, no real difference. If it is the last ship of a specific type, again, no real difference. So to conclude... if you made your isk running vanguards you get a 10% dps nerf. And incursions become slightly more entertaining, because there is now the (slim) possibility that something might go wrong But to answer the question of what is the most profitable C5/C6 sites w/ capital escalatio farming C3/C4 static incursion Mission blitzin C1/C2 site nullsec farmin lvl 4 mission I am not putting exploration in the list, simply because the results tend to be so random. Its one thing to run the maze and get just an overseer artifact, and another to run serpentis fleet shipyard, get an overseer artifact, a vindi BPC, and 4 X-type mods. Last time I did the maze it took me 2-3 hours (mostly, getting through the damn maze). And that payout comes out to about 30mil isk/hour (split several ways), not counting the time it took to find it. The serpentis fleet shipyard took about 45 minutes and the payout was something like 2-3bil. Thats not saying that exploration is bad, just that it varies too widely to be put in a spot on the list -Arazel
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 560	Posted - 2012.04.21 17:19:00 - [8] - Quote Any of the 4 Racial Fuel blocks. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing.
Kengutsi Akira Ministry of War Amarr Empire 423	Posted - 2012.04.21 17:37:00 - [9] - Quote level 4s as far as ive seen https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909 My stance on WiS (updated)
Surge Roth Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 43	Posted - 2012.04.21 18:35:00 - [10] - Quote Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: lvl4s are currently the second-best source of income You're joking right? Or, maybe just ignorant? Level 4's might be in the Top 5 most profitable sources of income in EVE, but they are far from 2nd best. You can easily rate Wormholes, Exploration and Incursions ahead of Level 4 missions and I'm certain there are dedicated traders and industrialists that can pull in more income with less effort than the average L4 mission runner. Comparing top notch people to average people ain't fair bro.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 561	Posted - 2012.04.21 18:43:00 - [11] - Quote Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote: .......and I'm certain there are dedicated traders and industrialists that can pull in more income with less effort than the average L4 mission runner. Indeed. Mission running is always something I am reluctant to do, even after hitting Level 4's. The payouts are pathetic TBH. I've made more money selling a week of Fuel Blocks than a month of Missions. Missions are great for Standings, for me, and that's about it IMHO. And with the current mineral market, missions are about the worst moneymakers around tbh. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing.
Cedo Nulli Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 125	Posted - 2012.04.21 20:10:00 - [12] - Quote VGs dont only get -10% payoff but their completion times are getting increased too. So yes .. the pay is dropping quite abit. Assaults ... we shall see what happens with them and how the isk/h will settle. It will seriously suck balls if assaults are the new contested field.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 57	Posted - 2012.04.21 20:49:00 - [13] - Quote Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: lvl4s are currently the second-best source of income You're joking right? Or, maybe just ignorant? Level 4's might be in the Top 5 most profitable sources of income in EVE, but they are far from 2nd best. You can easily rate Wormholes, Exploration and Incursions ahead of Level 4 missions and I'm certain there are dedicated traders and industrialists that can pull in more income with less effort than the average L4 mission runner. you are wrong and here is why: I log on, decline missions until i get the blockade. I grind down the mission, sell the wrecks and LP and log yout again. I just made a reliable 40mil in 20 minutes with 0 ramp-up time, 0 need to fleet up, next to 0 travel time and 0 risk to lose any of my assets. tell me if that is true for wormholes or exploration.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 565	Posted - 2012.04.21 20:51:00 - [14] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: you are wrong and here is why: I log on, decline missions until i get the blockade. I grind down the mission, sell the wrecks and LP and log yout again. I just made a reliable 40mil in 20 minutes with 0 ramp-up time, 0 need to fleet up, next to 0 travel time and 0 risk to lose any of my assets. tell me if that is true for wormholes or exploration. THIS gameplay would make me want to quit yesterday. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 57	Posted - 2012.04.21 21:07:00 - [15] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: you are wrong and here is why: I log on, decline missions until i get the blockade. I grind down the mission, sell the wrecks and LP and log yout again. I just made a reliable 40mil in 20 minutes with 0 ramp-up time, 0 need to fleet up, next to 0 travel time and 0 risk to lose any of my assets. tell me if that is true for wormholes or exploration. THIS gameplay would make me want to quit yesterday. tastes differ
Trading Unknown Republic University Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2012.04.21 21:41:00 - [16] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: lvl4s are currently the second-best source of income You're joking right? Or, maybe just ignorant? Level 4's might be in the Top 5 most profitable sources of income in EVE, but they are far from 2nd best. You can easily rate Wormholes, Exploration and Incursions ahead of Level 4 missions and I'm certain there are dedicated traders and industrialists that can pull in more income with less effort than the average L4 mission runner. you are wrong and here is why: I log on, decline missions until i get the blockade. I grind down the mission, sell the wrecks and LP and log yout again. I just made a reliable 40mil in 20 minutes with 0 ramp-up time, 0 need to fleet up, next to 0 travel time and 0 risk to lose any of my assets. tell me if that is true for wormholes or exploration. I'm fairly sure that isk number is full of ****.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 57	Posted - 2012.04.21 22:04:00 - [17] - Quote Trading Unknown wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: lvl4s are currently the second-best source of income You're joking right? Or, maybe just ignorant? Level 4's might be in the Top 5 most profitable sources of income in EVE, but they are far from 2nd best. You can easily rate Wormholes, Exploration and Incursions ahead of Level 4 missions and I'm certain there are dedicated traders and industrialists that can pull in more income with less effort than the average L4 mission runner. you are wrong and here is why: I log on, decline missions until i get the blockade. I grind down the mission, sell the wrecks and LP and log yout again. I just made a reliable 40mil in 20 minutes with 0 ramp-up time, 0 need to fleet up, next to 0 travel time and 0 risk to lose any of my assets. tell me if that is true for wormholes or exploration. I'm fairly sure that isk number is full of ****. 20mil in bounties 8k LP 5mil for the wrecks 5mil mission reward
Trading Unknown Republic University Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2012.04.21 22:57:00 - [18] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: 20mil in bounties 8k LP 5mil for the wrecks 5mil mission reward I stand corrected. What are you running it with?
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 57	Posted - 2012.04.21 23:04:00 - [19] - Quote Trading Unknown wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: 20mil in bounties 8k LP 5mil for the wrecks 5mil mission reward I stand corrected. What are you running it with? something like this: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/40407-Nightmare-Mission-blazer-with-tachs.html
Diamonica Norya University of Caille Gallente Federation 30	Posted - 2012.04.22 00:50:00 - [20] - Quote Confirmed Blockade payout is 35~50mil per 20min, 15min kill all rats, 5min salvage
Pookoko Sigma Sagittarii Inc. 34	Posted - 2012.04.22 01:52:00 - [21] - Quote If you are missioning for a good LP store corp and have high enough faction standing to cherry pick only the most profitable missions, then mission running nets you decent money. I would say 50mil/hour is probably conservative standard if you run missions this way.
Mixedblood Interstellar Fleet The Freedom Alliance of EvE 0	Posted - 2012.04.22 02:03:00 - [22] - Quote Thanks for actually replying & not just bashing me on my ignorance of the game in general. By the time this semesters over I'll be able to take a good look at how inc's are for profit at the time. For VG's, I thought it was that the whole wave had to be wiped to to collect now. Guess its not that bad if its just that the trigger is random... only really hurting ota's. My NM will be fine to keep using for vg's still then. With the chance that assaults might become the new VG though, & the fact that now something can more easily go wrong, i'm glad I took the short training detour to grab the skills to use a logi 5 basi. (will be more interesting & less risky than running with an NM) If inc's are hurt too badly though then I might just find a WH corp or something after the semester.
Pookoko Sigma Sagittarii Inc. 34	Posted - 2012.04.22 02:13:00 - [23] - Quote I decided to add some numbers: 1 mission that pays 15mil bounty (actually more but let's be conservative) Pays 9000LP ( assault/blockade/etc) x 1500 isk per LP = 13.5 mil 28.5 mil per one mission If you run two such missions per hour you are already looking at 57mil per hour without counting loot/salvage/mission reward. And this is with running missions at very casual pace of 30min per mission and totally reasonable LP conversation of 1500/LP. With a good ship and skills you could squeeze in 3 such missions per hour for the total of 85.5mil per hour. Mission running income may not be the best income, but it's definitely not shabby.

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