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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Droog 1
This is much ado about nothing. I remember the crap that Ankesceptic made about hacking killboards, all pvpers being griefers etc and she is now the chairman.
really, when did vuk relinquish that role?
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Niskin
Minmatar
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Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.03.02 17:55:00 -
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Way too much stuff to quote and still have room to respond, so I'll just wing it.
Here is the chain of events that prompted my posting in this thread:
#1 I read this thread
#2 I read the CSM minutes
If you don't like how Issler's input was presented in those minutes then you can ask to have them revised. I saw Issler's name along with 0.0 issues and a red flag went up because I've seen her operate and unless something major has changed she's not my image of a 0.0 capable leader.
Originally by: Issler Dainze
CCP suggested that new mechanisms could bring in "carebears" into the badlands and I participated in the brainstorming that resulted.
This is how Issler worded what happened. If she honestly feels that her suggestions were positive and helpful things that will improve EVE instead of removing challenges then she can post them and I will read them. Maybe they weren't so bad, but since they weren't detailed in the minutes I wasn't privy to that info.
I've tried to explain this before but I'll do it one more time just for the heck of it. Why did a red flag go up when I saw her name along with 0.0 issue discussions?
#1 Her leadership style, which she broke down in this thread, isn't so much a leadership style as it is a social event directorship. It's not conducive to survival in ANY hostile environment, although it's a great way to meet nice people.
#2 Avoidance of challenges - While the entire alliance lived in low sec, Issler's people lived in high sec. Rather than organizing low sec mining ops everybody sat around in high sec and mined. It's not so much that this is a bad practice but that it became a habit to avoid challenges. Mining in high sec is fine, except that it dulls the survival skills needed to mine in tougher environments.
#3 Disorganization - Maybe this is part of her core philosophy, who knows, but nothing seemed to be important enough for her to focus on it. Tada O's ship building service was often plagued with delays due to nobody centrally managing it. Orders got canceled all the time because jobs weren't getting built. During freighter ops she had this bad habit of warping to the wrong gate... and she was one of the freighter pilots. Again it's just a simple case of organization and discipline. Everybody makes mistakes, but some situations call for extra care, organization and attention.
#4 Lack of understanding of serious politics - Yes this goes back to the payoff for the freighter move. Some of this is coming back to me now that I'm thinking more about it. There was a crap ton of minerals for sale in either PVH8 or EZA-FM when we moved into Syndicate. I remember Issler having logistics issues with getting her build supplies into the PC9 cluster where we lived. I'm pretty sure she purchased those minerals and then realized she couldn't just go get them solo with the freighter. I don't know the full story unfortunately, but I do know it was confirmed that she payed off one of our direct opponents to be allowed to move the freighter safely. It doesn't matter if it was Huzzah or Fire Mandril or EXM or whoever, it happened and was the final nail in the coffin that got Tada-O kicked out of the alliance.
So that's it, as best as I can explain it. I'm not saying Issler is a bad person or that she shouldn't be a CSM. I'm simply saying that seeing her name next to a discussion on 0.0 made me wonder what good she could possibly bring to that discussion. Maybe she's changed, maybe she learned some lessons along the way, who knows.
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Maxmillion Ex
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.02 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Maxmillion Ex on 02/03/2009 18:29:07
Originally by: Niskin
Here is the chain of events that prompted my posting in this thread:
#1 I read this thread
#2 I read the CSM minutes
... unless something major has changed she's not my image of a 0.0 capable leader.
This is how Issler worded what happened. If she honestly feels that her suggestions were positive and helpful things that will improve EVE instead of removing challenges then she can post them and I will read them. Maybe they weren't so bad, but since they weren't detailed in the minutes I wasn't privy to that info.
I've tried to explain this before but I'll do it one more time just for the heck of it.
... stuff...
So that's it, as best as I can explain it. I'm not saying Issler is a bad person or that she shouldn't be a CSM. I'm simply saying that seeing her name next to a discussion on 0.0 made me wonder what good she could possibly bring to that discussion. Maybe she's changed, maybe she learned some lessons along the way, who knows.
We understand she's not your ideal representative. Her leadership is moot unless you would like to apply to the corp. I assume that's why you voted for someone more in line with your views.
I thought you didn't comment on things you didn't know about?
Originally by: Niskin
I wouldn't ask for changes to something that I don't have experience with.
Your next post (had I not done it here for you already):
Originally by: Niskin's Double
I've already had experience with Issler in the past. Here's a long story of what I disliked, which I've given before.
And the rebuttal:
Originally by: Max's Double
Originally by: Niskin
Maybe she's changed, maybe she learned some lessons along the way, who knows.
Niskin, we have heard your views. Several times. We understand entirely that you don't know what Issler said on the subject of 0.0, something you readily admit.
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John Declan
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.02 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: John Declan on 02/03/2009 18:43:18
You are absolutely right! Why didn't I see it before, internet space ships is very serious business. 
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Issler Dainze
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Posted - 2009.03.02 18:56:00 -
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Niskin. Mostly you still seem to have a grudge. Let talk more about your views of leadership when you've started a corp of your own, had it survive over 3 years, started an alliance and then run for the CSM. Having done these things (or at least one of them) would add to your credibility. Right now you just sort of complain about a vague feeling of unrest that you attribute to me and my participation in the CSM.
Your recent posts also contain a variety of errors. For example, that we didn't partiticpate in low sec operations when BRUCE was there. Since our primary office and where we paid out for minerals was Aeschee which is low sec your statement is just wrong. We were active in every BRUCE mining op. Also I live in low sec and hardly ever leave.
Your claim of canceled ship orders is partially true. BRUCEs insistance on only engaging in combat when gigantic blobs could be formed and huge numeric advantages gained meant that we often could not get minerals to produce ships. Thus the one time that I personally risked my own freighter to folks BRUCE would have called pirates to get BRUCE their ships. I should note in the end the "pirates" were more honorable than BRUCE.
Strange that these very insignficant events are still somehow the focus of a small group of bitter people. I think in the end what this is about is we moved on and are thriving. Sorry about that. How we do that despite my horrible failures must just be impossible to understand. Let me give you something to consider. If realty continues to be inconsistent with your theories, maybe your theories need some reconsideration.
By the way, I am happy to report that my attempts to reverse engineer the Nonni's lamb sub are advancing with great success! I am close to cracking the sauce!
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Niskin
Minmatar
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.03.02 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Issler Dainze
Niskin. Mostly you still seem to have a grudge. Let talk more about your views of leadership when you've started a corp of your own, had it survive over 3 years, started an alliance and then run for the CSM. Having done these things (or at least one of them) would add to your credibility. Right now you just sort of complain about a vague feeling of unrest that you attribute to me and my participation in the CSM.
You run an alliance in which nobody is required to do anything, you are nice to everyone and you give them stuff to help them out. Yes it's definitely an accomplishment of great merit that you've SURVIVED FOR 3 YEARS! Seriously, if your corp didn't survive 3 years I'd be amazed. Failure cascades and corp breakups usually happen in the face of great challenges, not in the face of carebear bliss. I complain not because of what you've done but because you think what you've done is somehow special.
Originally by: Issler Dainze
Your recent posts also contain a variety of errors. For example, that we didn't partiticpate in low sec operations when BRUCE was there. Since our primary office and where we paid out for minerals was Aeschee which is low sec your statement is just wrong. We were active in every BRUCE mining op. Also I live in low sec and hardly ever leave.
The mineral cans were in Attyn, that's where I was told to put the ore. In the entire time I was in Tada-O I saw almost none of our corp members in Aeschee. So while there may have been cans there, there weren't any people there to fill them. Dantar420 and Skiorh were regulars down there but they weren't miners either.
Originally by: Issler Dainze
Your claim of canceled ship orders is partially true. BRUCEs insistance on only engaging in combat when gigantic blobs could be formed and huge numeric advantages gained meant that we often could not get minerals to produce ships. Thus the one time that I personally risked my own freighter to folks BRUCE would have called pirates to get BRUCE their ships. I should note in the end the "pirates" were more honorable than BRUCE.
Memories are apparently short on your end of the gray matter, slow builds happened as far back as Aeschee. Myself and other people canceled our orders after waiting over a week on ships. BRUCE didn't blob until we got established in Syndicate and grew quite a bit. At that point we had to because corps like EXM weren't gonna give us a break just cuz we weren't as skilled as them yet. Besides, if the orders were large due to blobbing losses why didn't you keep stuff stocked. You'd think that would be the kind of thing that an industrial corp would do.
Originally by: Issler Dainze
Strange that these very insignficant events are still somehow the focus of a small group of bitter people. I think in the end what this is about is we moved on and are thriving. Sorry about that. How we do that despite my horrible failures must just be impossible to understand. Let me give you something to consider. If realty continues to be inconsistent with your theories, maybe your theories need some reconsideration.
Insignificant in your mind which is why you don't understand how people could be upset over them. Failure to understand what's going on around you doesn't make it any less real. You make a choice, you take an action, something happens because of it. You brought these things on yourself even if you don't understand that you did.
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Niskin
Minmatar
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.03.02 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Maxmillion Ex
We understand she's not your ideal representative. Her leadership is moot unless you would like to apply to the corp. I assume that's why you voted for someone more in line with your views.
I was inactive when the CSM's were put in and voted on. After BRUCE fell apart I took a 6 month break and when I returned things were as they are now.
Being a CSM puts a player in the public eye, by their own choice might I add. So it's not moot at all. How well a player understands certain portions of the game is relevant to how they fulfill their role as a CSM. I'm sure plenty of people are worried about what Darius's input would be on the CSM and if they were they could do the same thing I am doing.
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John Declan
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.03.02 21:32:00 -
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Edited by: John Declan on 02/03/2009 21:34:28
Originally by: Niskin
I was inactive when the CSM's were put in and voted on. After BRUCE fell apart I took a 6 month break and when I returned things were as they are now.
You sure are making a ruckus for someone who chose not to be part of the voting process. You know what they say, if you don't vote then you relenquish all rights to complain.
Do your civic duty next time. Vote!
Edit: All this talk of supremely tasty sandwiches has made me hungry!
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Maxmillion Ex
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.03.02 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Niskin
Originally by: Maxmillion Ex
We understand she's not your ideal representative. Her leadership is moot unless you would like to apply to the corp. I assume that's why you voted for someone more in line with your views.
I was inactive when the CSM's were put in and voted on. After BRUCE fell apart I took a 6 month break and when I returned things were as they are now.
Being a CSM puts a player in the public eye, by their own choice might I add. So it's not moot at all. How well a player understands certain portions of the game is relevant to how they fulfill their role as a CSM. I'm sure plenty of people are worried about what Darius's input would be on the CSM and if they were they could do the same thing I am doing.
Yes, your Eve history is quite fascinating. I greatly admire your attempt at changing the minds of Eve one CSM at a time. Also, Issler is not leading you. So it doesn't matter what you think of her leadership.
She was not elected to remake Eve in her image, but to lend her ideas and represent quite a few people in Eve who voted for her. We understand you were not one of them, and don't need to hear why again.
Back to the point though, we're still waiting for the reply to the million dollar question:
Originally by: Maxmillion Ex
You have no experience with what Issler proposed will change. Concrete Examples. Something other than, "I don't think she has the right idea."
You have quoted the end of the post which contained this, but oddly enough, ignored the five or so ways this has been asked of you in the past.
The best you have managed so far is:
Originally by: Niskin
If she honestly feels that her suggestions were positive and helpful things that will improve EVE instead of removing challenges then she can post them and I will read them. Maybe they weren't so bad, but since they weren't detailed in the minutes I wasn't privy to that info.
Maybe you have an argument? Maybe you will like her views? Maybe she should violate NDA's and repeat a CCP discussion just for you? Maybe she doesn't care about winning your vote, should you choose to be subscribed to Eve next election.
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Issler Dainze
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Posted - 2009.03.02 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Niskin
You run an alliance in which nobody is required to do anything, you are nice to everyone and you give them stuff to help them out. Yes it's definitely an accomplishment of great merit that you've SURVIVED FOR 3 YEARS! Seriously, if your corp didn't survive 3 years I'd be amazed. Failure cascades and corp breakups usually happen in the face of great challenges, not in the face of carebear bliss. I complain not because of what you've done but because you think what you've done is somehow special.
So now I should be held in scorn for being nice, providing freedom and creating "carebear" bliss for over 3 years. I think we just hit your nail on your head. I am happy and so are the folks in BEEP and we are enjoying ourselves in a manner that you don't like. OK, gotcha.... I'll get right on trying to reduce our enjoyment of Eve....
Originally by: Niskin
The mineral cans were in Attyn, that's where I was told to put the ore. In the entire time I was in Tada-O I saw almost none of our corp members in Aeschee. So while there may have been cans there, there weren't any people there to fill them. Dantar420 and Skiorh were regulars down there but they weren't miners either.
There were mineral cans there too. If members didn't want to operate in low sec I wasn't going to force them. Sorry you missed the miners there. I didn't because I was both busy mining and paying the other miners there as well. We were very active there as there is where all our zydrine came from. You know a mineral you can'f find in high sec...
Originally by: Niskin
Memories are apparently short on your end of the gray matter, slow builds happened as far back as Aeschee. Myself and other people canceled our orders after waiting over a week on ships. BRUCE didn't blob until we got established in Syndicate and grew quite a bit. At that point we had to because corps like EXM weren't gonna give us a break just cuz we weren't as skilled as them yet. Besides, if the orders were large due to blobbing losses why didn't you keep stuff stocked. You'd think that would be the kind of thing that an industrial corp would do.
Sorry we offered you cheap ships and somehow you wanted them quicker. No one made you buy from us. I'll be sure to ask you next time I need to understand what an industrial corp does since you clearly are an industrial genius type.
Originally by: Niskin
Insignificant in your mind which is why you don't understand how people could be upset over them. Failure to understand what's going on around you doesn't make it any less real. You make a choice, you take an action, something happens because of it. You brought these things on yourself even if you don't understand that you did.
Let's see, we left BRUCE and syndicate not long after the move there. Another 4 months goes by, FREED becomes famous for having one of the larger egos in Eve, BRUCE moves to harder 0.0 grows larger, stabs some allies in the back, FOOM guts BRUCE and runs back to Aeschee killing BRUCE in the process, and somehow in all that what I did in those early days is still keeps you awake at night. Wow! I feel special!
So Niskin, when are we actually going to get an actual example of what I've done or said I was going to do in the CSM to change Eve that you have been asked for something like 20 times now? All I really have seen is that you now agree I have created 3 years of "Care Bear Bliss" which I will use as an endorsement if I choose to run again.
Issler
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Niskin
Minmatar
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.03.03 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Maxmillion Ex
Back to the point though, we're still waiting for the reply to the million dollar question:
You have no experience with what Issler proposed will change. Concrete Examples. Something other than, "I don't think she has the right idea."
You have quoted the end of the post which contained this, but oddly enough, ignored the five or so ways this has been asked of you in the past.
The best you have managed so far is:
Originally by: Niskin
If she honestly feels that her suggestions were positive and helpful things that will improve EVE instead of removing challenges then she can post them and I will read them. Maybe they weren't so bad, but since they weren't detailed in the minutes I wasn't privy to that info.
Maybe you have an argument? Maybe you will like her views? Maybe she should violate NDA's and repeat a CCP discussion just for you? Maybe she doesn't care about winning your vote, should you choose to be subscribed to Eve next election.
So what you are saying is that you have repeatedly asked me to answer a question that you know I can't answer because the information I need to answer it is under NDA. All I can say is this, if her other ideas were as brilliant as custom ship paint jobs then yes, we are all doomed. Are there any other unanswerable questions you'd like me to take a stab at?
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Niskin
Minmatar
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.03.03 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Issler Dainze
So now I should be held in scorn for being nice, providing freedom and creating "carebear" bliss for over 3 years. I think we just hit your nail on your head. I am happy and so are the folks in BEEP and we are enjoying ourselves in a manner that you don't like. OK, gotcha.... I'll get right on trying to reduce our enjoyment of Eve....
Yet again, I don't care how you and your corp enjoy themselves. I'm simply pointing out that keeping a casual family guild together for 3 years doesn't take any serious management skills. I don't want you to get an inflated head with this new CSM power you have acquired.
Originally by: Issler Dainze
There were mineral cans there too. If members didn't want to operate in low sec I wasn't going to force them. Sorry you missed the miners there. I didn't because I was both busy mining and paying the other miners there as well. We were very active there as there is where all our zydrine came from. You know a mineral you can'f find in high sec...
That's a pretty convincing argument, I think I'll concede that point. Apparently those low sec miners were sneakier than I thought, or maybe they just weren't around when I was.
Originally by: Issler Dainze
Sorry we offered you cheap ships and somehow you wanted them quicker. No one made you buy from us. I'll be sure to ask you next time I need to understand what an industrial corp does since you clearly are an industrial genius type.
This is just another balance of points. Previously you said there wasn't much PvP in Tada-O because industrial corps had other stuff to do. Then when asked why you couldn't keep up with demand you make it sound like the buyers were at fault for wanting something quickly. A week or more is a long time to wait for something like a BC or BS.
Originally by: Issler Dainze
Let's see, we left BRUCE and syndicate not long after the move there. Another 4 months goes by, FREED becomes famous for having one of the larger egos in Eve, BRUCE moves to harder 0.0 grows larger, stabs some allies in the back, FOOM guts BRUCE and runs back to Aeschee killing BRUCE in the process, and somehow in all that what I did in those early days is still keeps you awake at night. Wow! I feel special!
Ahh there it is... I thought you had moved on? What allies did we stab in the back again? That's a new one. As for FOOM gutting anything, those rumors were completely false. We left more than half our corp hangar contents with BRUCE when we split and handed over some corp owned towers which were being used to hold sov. The only thing we took were a few members which were RL friends of some people in FOOM.
And don't worry, I'm sleeping just fine.
Originally by: Issler Dainze
So Niskin, when are we actually going to get an actual example of what I've done or said I was going to do in the CSM to change Eve that you have been asked for something like 20 times now? All I really have seen is that you now agree I have created 3 years of "Care Bear Bliss" which I will use as an endorsement if I choose to run again.
Issler
Apparently that info is under NDA so I can't see it. However as I mentioned above, if it's as good as custom ship paint I'm sure it will be groundbreaking in it's enhancement of EVE.
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Issler Dainze
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Posted - 2009.03.03 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Niskin
Yet again, I don't care how you and your corp enjoy themselves. I'm simply pointing out that keeping a casual family guild together for 3 years doesn't take any serious management skills. I don't want you to get an inflated head with this new CSM power you have acquired.
We are a family? Wow, I need to get more help with the chores around the house! As to the CSM powers I have aquired? You still have no idea what the CSM actually does do you?
Originally by: Niskin
This is just another balance of points. Previously you said there wasn't much PvP in Tada-O because industrial corps had other stuff to do. Then when asked why you couldn't keep up with demand you make it sound like the buyers were at fault for wanting something quickly. A week or more is a long time to wait for something like a BC or BS.
When you are living in a pocket of 0.0 being told that this "amazing" alliance you helped formed will assure your safety and your pipeline to get key minerals not found where you are then you are at the mercy of these "amazing" combat types. For three days prior to the freighter incedent BRUCE formed a blob, actually went into the system where I had puchased minerals, found only about a 1.5 to 1 ratio in their favor, turned and ran. I had an alt in the station and got to hear the pirates crack up over that. So I took maters into my own hands, made a reasonable business proposition to the locals a BRUCE got their ships.
Originally by: Niskin
Ahh there it is... I thought you had moved on? What allies did we stab in the back again? That's a new one. As for FOOM gutting anything, those rumors were completely false. We left more than half our corp hangar contents with BRUCE when we split and handed over some corp owned towers which were being used to hold sov. The only thing we took were a few members which were RL friends of some people in FOOM.
I have moved on, there is no post in my forums saying I need revenge against BRUCE. We would never waste a minute with something so wasteful and pointless. As for the back stabbing. Lots of posts in COAD at the time for anyone that wants to do some research.
Originally by: Niskin
Apparently that info is under NDA so I can't see it. However as I mentioned above, if it's as good as custom ship paint I'm sure it will be groundbreaking in it's enhancement of EVE.
You have repeatedly stated you already had evidence of things I have said to support your case, now you are using my NDA status to dodge that bullet. Give me a break. Put up or shut up Niskin, you can't site anything to make your case about my horrible CSM influences. You just want to hash over your sad panda melancholy caused by our continued success because if we aren't something horrible and failing then you can't make your case that leaving us shows how smart you are.
Issler
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Maxmillion Ex
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.03.03 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Niskin
So what you are saying is that you have repeatedly asked me to answer a question that you know I can't answer because the information I need to answer it is under NDA. All I can say is this, if her other ideas were as brilliant as custom ship paint jobs then yes, we are all doomed. Are there any other unanswerable questions you'd like me to take a stab at?
The reality of the matter is you are still posting because we have entertained your delusions. Delusions which you are now using a NDA to cover up. I will no longer entertain them, and I encourage others to follow suit.
I have no further questions.
Thank you for your input.
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John Declan
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.03.03 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Maxmillion Ex
Originally by: Niskin
So what you are saying is that you have repeatedly asked me to answer a question that you know I can't answer because the information I need to answer it is under NDA. All I can say is this, if her other ideas were as brilliant as custom ship paint jobs then yes, we are all doomed. Are there any other unanswerable questions you'd like me to take a stab at?
The reality of the matter is you are still posting because we have entertained your delusions. Delusions which you are now using a NDA to cover up. I will no longer entertain them, and I encourage others to follow suit.
I have no further questions.
Thank you for your input.
I support this product and/or service.
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Niskin
Minmatar
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.03.03 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Issler Dainze
We are a family? Wow, I need to get more help with the chores around the house! As to the CSM powers I have aquired? You still have no idea what the CSM actually does do you?
A family guild is a concept not an actual collection of family members, although technically they could be. As for what a CSM does, so far they eat lamb sandwiches and attend meetings where they make suggestions to try and improve the game. The lamb sandwiches might be optional though.
Originally by: Issler Dainze
When you are living in a pocket of 0.0 being told that this "amazing" alliance you helped formed will assure your safety and your pipeline to get key minerals not found where you are then you are at the mercy of these "amazing" combat types. For three days prior to the freighter incedent BRUCE formed a blob, actually went into the system where I had puchased minerals, found only about a 1.5 to 1 ratio in their favor, turned and ran. I had an alt in the station and got to hear the pirates crack up over that. So I took maters into my own hands, made a reasonable business proposition to the locals a BRUCE got their ships.
That's what I was looking for, thanks for the explanation. Back in those days, facing those opponents, we did often have to run from fights when we had a numerical advantage. They had more skillpoints and tougher ships along with better fittings. We went to Syndicate with the understanding that we were a severe underdog and we picked our fights because of it. I still don't understand why you chose to deal with the pirates instead of raising the issue at the alliance rep level though.
Originally by: Issler Dainze
I have moved on, there is no post in my forums saying I need revenge against BRUCE. We would never waste a minute with something so wasteful and pointless. As for the back stabbing. Lots of posts in COAD at the time for anyone that wants to do some research.
Ok I'll look for those before I comment on that.
Originally by: Issler Dainze
You have repeatedly stated you already had evidence of things I have said to support your case, now you are using my NDA status to dodge that bullet. Give me a break. Put up or shut up Niskin, you can't site anything to make your case about my horrible CSM influences. You just want to hash over your sad panda melancholy caused by our continued success because if we aren't something horrible and failing then you can't make your case that leaving us shows how smart you are.
Issler
I've repeatedly stated that I have evidence? That's funny I don't see that anywhere. What I do see is myself repeatedly referring to things I pulled from the minutes and stating that based on those things and what I knew of you from the past that I was concerned with the kind of suggestions you were making on 0.0 issues.
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Saralle Zhukov
Minmatar
Win Tech
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Posted - 2009.03.14 12:39:00 -
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Somewhere in this wall of text there was a challenge by somebody to the effect of what didn't Issler eat or what did Issler eat that you disagree with. I will happily respond to that comment. (Think this thread needs a moment of levity.) Nowhere do I see where Issler ate cheesecake one of the prime foodgroups needed to support life in -EVE-. I have petitioned CCP to allow the Cheesecake Factory to open up franchises throughout the EVE universe!!! I particularly like "CHOCOLATE COCONUT CREAM CHEESECAKE Coconut Cheesecake with Chunks of Chocolate, Topped with Layers of Coconut Custard and Whipped Cream all on top of a Chocolate Macaroon Crust"!!! You can find this here: http://www.thecheesecakefactory.com/menu.htm happy eating to all you capsuleers.
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Issler Dainze
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Posted - 2009.03.14 22:07:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Saralle Zhukov
Somewhere in this wall of text there was a challenge by somebody to the effect of what didn't Issler eat or what did Issler eat that you disagree with. I will happily respond to that comment. (Think this thread needs a moment of levity.) Nowhere do I see where Issler ate cheesecake one of the prime foodgroups needed to support life in -EVE-. I have petitioned CCP to allow the Cheesecake Factory to open up franchises throughout the EVE universe!!! I particularly like "CHOCOLATE COCONUT CREAM CHEESECAKE Coconut Cheesecake with Chunks of Chocolate, Topped with Layers of Coconut Custard and Whipped Cream all on top of a Chocolate Macaroon Crust"!!! You can find this here: http://www.thecheesecakefactory.com/menu.htm happy eating to all you capsuleers.
Should I choose to run again (and somehow get reelected) I promise to eat cheesecake regularly and champion the spread of cheesecake and other desert type foods including other cakes (including cup cakes), pudding, flans, custards, cookies, brownies, frozen deserts, truffles, fruit and pie throughout Eve. I will also encourage the research into the creation of T2 deserts for advanced desert enjoyment.
Issler
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Iwant Urstuff
Amarr
Iwant Urstuff Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.16 02:40:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Issler Dainze
Originally by: Saralle Zhukov
Somewhere in this wall of text there was a challenge by somebody to the effect of what didn't Issler eat or what did Issler eat that you disagree with. I will happily respond to that comment. (Think this thread needs a moment of levity.) Nowhere do I see where Issler ate cheesecake one of the prime foodgroups needed to support life in -EVE-. I have petitioned CCP to allow the Cheesecake Factory to open up franchises throughout the EVE universe!!! I particularly like "CHOCOLATE COCONUT CREAM CHEESECAKE Coconut Cheesecake with Chunks of Chocolate, Topped with Layers of Coconut Custard and Whipped Cream all on top of a Chocolate Macaroon Crust"!!! You can find this here: http://www.thecheesecakefactory.com/menu.htm happy eating to all you capsuleers.
Should I choose to run again (and somehow get reelected) I promise to eat cheesecake regularly and champion the spread of cheesecake and other desert type foods including other cakes (including cup cakes), pudding, flans, custards, cookies, brownies, frozen deserts, truffles, fruit and pie throughout Eve. I will also encourage the research into the creation of T2 deserts for advanced desert enjoyment.
Issler
I hope you get fat fast Izzler Dainze. Don't run you refuzed to consider raising the War Dec limit from 3 to even 4 for corporationz.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.03.18 16:38:00 -
[110]
I think your Z Key is stuck... that or your high on meth.
Don't do drugs and fly ships! Its a bad for your health.
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www.shadowcadre.com
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Iwant Urstuff
Amarr
Iwant Urstuff Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.19 09:48:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Drake Draconis
I think your Z Key is stuck... that or your high on meth.
Don't do drugs and fly ships! Its a bad for your health.
But Boozterz make me shoot so much harder. I know it'z againzt the law in empire but hey everybody doze it from time to time. By the way here iz a stuck Z key: ZZZZZZZZZ. Thiz iz a working Z and S key in alternation ZsZsZsZs or SzSzSz. All done while on boozterz and blazting away at a target with my lazerz. Pleaze by all meanz don't use drugz and fly, we wouldn't want you actually hurting a fly.
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Nexus Kinnon
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.03.21 03:03:00 -
[112]
tl;dr all of that **** but Issler is yet another terrible CSM on this term's council (see, ankehasudsja & bunyip)
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It is unseemly when a player becomes a self-congratulatory poastaholic
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Issler Dainze
Minmatar
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.03.21 03:22:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
tl;dr all of that **** but Issler is yet another terrible CSM on this term's council (see, ankehasudsja & bunyip)
Oh noes! I have failed the Nexus Kinnon test!
Makes me want to run again to try and win him over. 
So Nexus, take a moment out of your busy life and explain what you think the CSM does and what would make a good one?
Can you site something specific I have done for example to be so poor at it?
Issler
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Nexus Kinnon
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:51:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Nexus Kinnon on 24/03/2009 00:51:34
Originally by: Issler Dainze
Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
tl;dr all of that **** but Issler is yet another terrible CSM on this term's council (see, ankehasudsja & bunyip)
Oh noes! I have failed the Nexus Kinnon test!
Makes me want to run again to try and win him over.
So Nexus, take a moment out of your busy life and explain what you think the CSM does and what would make a good one?
Can you site something specific I have done for example to be so poor at it?
Issler
To summarise briefly, you whined about being war-decced by goonswarm after being elected, pathetic. To follow on from that, you seem to have no idea what you're talking about. In short, you're a poor CSM who probably only got in by block vote from your alliance.
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It is unseemly when a player becomes a self-congratulatory poastaholic
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Issler Dainze
Minmatar
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:24:00 -
[115]
I suggested that the war dec appeared to be an attempt to interfere with the CSM process. In the end it was just random gooness. We never tried to dodge the war and I never suggested any change in Eve as a result of the war.
Your "you don't know what you are talking about" without citation is about as valid as me saying I think you are basement dwelling loser virgin who has a mother that dresses you funny and has unnatural relations with genetically enhanced livestock. It is nothing but a pointless personal insult (and honestly, like the comment I just made about you, not a very good personal insult). Your insult adds no value to the conversation.
Try adding some actual "facts" to your attack next time please. Or better yet, run for CSM and show us just how 1337, genius like and uber you are.
Please I can't see how Eve can survive without you in the CSM!
Issler
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Iwant Urstuff
Amarr
Iwant Urstuff Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:43:00 -
[116]
Nexus the entire CSM waz worthlezz thiz time from my point of view. Again Issler you failed to conzider even raizing the war dec limitz for small corporationz by one, continuing to support your big coalition friendz on the council. Plz don't run for CSM again Issler.
MSC eht ot etadidnac P&C suopmoP niatpaC rof etoV
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Issler Dainze
Minmatar
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:16:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Iwant Urstuff
Nexus the entire CSM waz worthlezz thiz time from my point of view. Again Issler you failed to conzider even raizing the war dec limitz for small corporationz by one, continuing to support your big coalition friendz on the council. Plz don't run for CSM again Issler.
Why on earth would I have supported that since that certainly isn't something the folks I try to represent would want? Do you have any idea what a constituency is? Err maybe if I said I had a constiuanz?
My "big" coalition of "friends" on the council?? Yeah, got me there, most of my friends are people I don't know and have never met.... (Until months after my election). Do you really think we are some sort of unified group? Do you read the meeting minutes?
Sorry I won't have your endorsement "stuff". You truly are the master of the "z" key.
Issler
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