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Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.04 21:11:00 - [1] Late last year there were several comments by CCP that alliances would be let into FW in 'early 2009'. While 'early 2009' is certainly far from over, it's a bit concerning that no comment about this has been made since then. Can CCP confirm that this hasn't been forgotten, is still in the works, and is still scheduled for 'early 2009'? Better yet, any chance of more detailed information regarding how it might be implemented? (For example, admission of individual corps that are alliance members vs. admission of the alliance as a whole, rough standings requirements, etc.) Alternatively, if such information has been released, links would be appreciated. Thanks! -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
Reptzo Channel 4 News Team	Posted - 2009.02.04 21:14:00 - [2] I was always under the impression that CCP had said allainces would never be let into FW. I could very easily be wrong, but I can't recall them saying they wanted to let allainces in.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.04 21:20:00 - [3] Originally by: "CCP Diagoras" 11. 0102-01-0041 Alliance Corps in Factional Warfare CCP is looking into the possibility of allowing corps which are part of an alliance to join FW based on high standings requirements. The restrictions are aimed to ensure that only the most devote of corporations would be eligible for dual allegiance to two different entities. With Jade Constantine asking for a schedule, CCP Zulupark told the CSM that these changes will hopefully be implemented in early 2009. Ankhesentapemkah observed that standing could only reliably be obtained through missions, and not all role-playing corporations might be interested in grinding missions. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=909977&page=1#3 -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
EliteSlave Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.02.04 21:23:00 - [4] the answer is... CCP is too worried about adding fluff versus's making playability changes..
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.04 21:37:00 - [5] To clarify (I don't want to sound ungrateful), I think that some of the changes that have been announced sound as though they have very high potential to add to the game, and I'm glad that they are being worked on. As particular examples, I like what I'm hearing about exploration and wormholes; though I have absolutely zero interest in 'Ambulation' (which is pure fluff in my mind). But from the standpoint of someone who actually cares about the storyline inherent to what is after all an online RPG, I'd really like to quickly come to the day when I'm no longer locked out of participation in that storyline by mechanics.
Smog890 Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:06:00 - [6] FIX THE FACTION WARFARE LAG FIRST
Friedrick Psitalon The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:09:00 - [7] Factional warfare as a whole needs some significant attention before any more players being drawn into it would be beneficial.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:18:00 - [8] So wait, does "possibility" mean definitely? Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Glengrant TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:23:00 - [9] Quote: hopefully be implemented in early 2009 Please not the key word in that sentence. :-) It's probably a non-trivial feature needing some database changes. Corps can be in one alliance-level entity atm. The factions are just like alliances for this purpose and I assume use the same field in the database. Allowing corps to be in more than 1 meta-corp entity will likely mean a schema change. Considering that it will be only releveant for a very few (Ushra Khan, CVA, who else? :-) ) I can see why it's not a high priority item. Anyway - I hope you'll get that feature one day. Hi Fried, just read your long article over in the other section. Reasonable proposals IMHO. Good luck with that. --- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOSER EVE TV- Bring it back! Laptop, NVidia7900GS, Ubuntu 8.04, WINE
Armoured Gamer Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:11:00 - [10] considering there are already alliance in FW...ooh wait you in factions ther enough isnt it , i mean divided more by alliance makes it worst unless you amarr where you united in spirit and make them more kick ass TBH sorry urshkan, but GOD > slaves My main has the flu but i am still here
Intigo Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.02.05 00:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Armoured Gamer considering there are already alliance in FW...ooh wait you in factions ther enough isnt it , i mean divided more by alliance makes it worst unless you amarr where you united in spirit and make them more kick ass TBH sorry urshkan, but GOD > slaves ... I really tried to understand what you were saying, but I did not understand a single thing except the last part.
Armoured Gamer Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2009.02.05 00:32:00 - [12] Linkage
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.05 04:18:00 - [13] Originally by: Intigo I really tried to understand what you were saying, but I did not understand a single thing except the last part. I'm with you on that one. Originally by: Glengrant Quote: hopefully be implemented in early 2009 Please not the key word in that sentence. :-) The wording very much implies that the issue is in work, and that there is uncertainty in the details, such as date. There have also been remarks at other times which are similar. I agree that this doesn't constitute an iron-clad contract on the part of CCP to deliver the change at all, let alone at a certain time; my point was to bring up the issue and ask what the status of the resolution was. Originally by: Glengrant It's probably a non-trivial feature needing some database changes. Corps can be in one alliance-level entity atm. The factions are just like alliances for this purpose and I assume use the same field in the database. Allowing corps to be in more than 1 meta-corp entity will likely mean a schema change. If it was a major code-altering headache, that would be a consideration. However, In the June 2008 CSM, CCP stated that allowing corps to join FW while remaining in their alliance was not only possible, but was an existing feature that was blocked for the release of FW. (Basically, RP alliances were pre-nerfed.) Originally by: Glengrant Considering that it will be only releveant for a very few (Ushra Khan, CVA, who else? :-) ) I can see why it's not a high priority item. Anyway - I hope you'll get that feature one day. EM, VV, and SF are some additional alliances that might well be affected, as well as a series of Gallente and Caldari RP alliances. Even just the Amarr/Matari alliances mentioned amount to several thousand members, which is not perhaps on the scale of the Goons, but is not exactly a trivial number. The fact that the list includes several of the oldest alliances in the game ought to factor in, as well as the fact that EVE is after all an online RPG, and FW is integral to the RP storyline that those groups have been key players in ... until CCP cut us out. In any case, I'd love to hear CCP's response, whatever it might be. If they've changed their minds and intend never to allow RP alliances to participate in EVE's RP (for example), then that is an key information to me. I'm hoping for something more along the lines of "Yes, that's still planned, and will likely be implemented in the next minor patch after the March expansion". Or whatever. -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
Xiao Endo Caldari Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2009.02.05 04:49:00 - [14] The militias themselves ARE alliances, obviously. They function as alliances do. And you can't be in two alliances at once. You pick your alliance - do you ally with the militia, or do you ally with a bunch of other corporations in an independent alliance? Makes perfect sense to me, ESPECIALLY from an RP perspective.
Skyee Everson	Posted - 2009.02.05 05:50:00 - [15] BoB for some reason has slipped of the radar as well
T 2 Minmatar Tribal Core	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:30:00 - [16] Originally by: Xiao Endo The militias themselves ARE alliances, obviously. Nope. Originally by: Xiao Endo They function as alliances do. Definitively not. Originally by: Xiao Endo And you can't be in two alliances at once. True. Originally by: Xiao Endo You pick your alliance - do you ally with the militia, or do you ally with a bunch of other corporations in an independent alliance? I'd be very carefull to ally with militia. Perhaps player run corporations within the militia but definitely not the militia per say. Originally by: Xiao Endo Makes perfect sense to me, ESPECIALLY from an RP perspective. Glad that you have found inner peace with the issue mate! I really do not see Militias as Alliances. There are NO ingame functionality - let's pick just the one: You cant set common standings - and this makes things really hard. There are a LOT of other things as well but no time to write them now. I think that Alliances that are committed to the cause need to be allowed to Factional Warfare. I do not know how it should be implemented but here is an idea: Perhaps it could be done so that Alliances could be formed within the corporations that have been in FW for f.ex. 3 months. This would effectively hinder the BIG alliances to come and screw things up and we the more organized corporations in militia would gain Alliance functionality. I hope CCP comest to this soon. We need more functionality that can be achieved with Alliances in EVE. Best Regards, T 2 Ps. No offense intended Xiao!
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.05 08:41:00 - [17] Originally by: Armoured Gamer considering there are already alliance in FW...ooh wait you in factions ther enough isnt it , i mean divided more by alliance makes it worst unless you amarr where you united in spirit and make them more kick ass TBH sorry urshkan, but GOD > slaves Look how stupid you are.
Djana Libra Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.05 08:57:00 - [18] Originally by: Armoured Gamer considering there are already alliance in FW...ooh wait you in factions ther enough isnt it , i mean divided more by alliance makes it worst unless you amarr where you united in spirit and make them more kick ass TBH sorry urshkan, but GOD > slaves Armoured you still never make sense do ya :P <SIG> I bought the wife a toy Deimos to have fun with while i play eve! </SIG>
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2009.02.05 08:59:00 - [19] Quote: CCP, has alliances in FW slipped off the radar? no but bob has oh snap
T 2 Minmatar Tribal Core	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:07:00 - [20] I developed my idea that i posted before and Becq - I know its not what you'd like to see but I'm thinking it could solve the issue that CCP has regarding letting alliances to join FW and use it as a playground. Proposal for CSM Best Regards, T 2
Jana Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:39:00 - [21] Originally by: MotherMoon Quote: CCP, has alliances in FW slipped off the radar? no but bob has oh snap Bah-dum-psh!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:59:00 - [22] I support the dirty Minmatar terrorist's campaign for alliances in FW.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.11 19:46:00 - [23] Still fishing for some slight indication that CCP is still thinking about this, or for that matter values the RP community in their MMORPG whatsoever... Regarding the 'obvious' game limitations regarding 'being in two alliances', look through the links I've provided above for CCPs comments regarding the mechanics of this. -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
Aurevoir Connard	Posted - 2009.02.11 19:49:00 - [24] Ushra K'han and CVA the original faction war. Who needs fake subsitutes. Carry on Slavers and Terrorists carry on.
Del Narveux Dukes of Hazard	Posted - 2009.02.11 20:00:00 - [25] The main problem I see with letting alliances in is they'll most likely be dominated by BobSwarm aka the 0.0 machine which is one of the things CCP specifically wanted to avoid. In any case FW needs a lot of work before it becomes anything more than a plaything for people with spare alt slots. _________________ [IMAGE REMOVED] -- aka Cpt Bogus -- Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.02.11 21:43:00 - [26] Originally by: MotherMoon Quote: CCP, has alliances in FW slipped off the radar? no but bob has oh snap Agh, ****, that's the last time I browse the forums whilst eating, nearly choked on that.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.02.11 22:46:00 - [27] CCP don't do small changes or fixes anymore; it is major revamps or nothing. This is especially true for FW who is lacking in many aspects (I guess you know this already). Now with the new scanning system coming up soon, there will be one more thing that needs to be adjusted for FW. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Rocius Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.02.12 12:16:00 - [28] Originally by: Rodj Blake I support the dirty Minmatar terrorist's campaign for alliances in FW. I support the wicked Amarrian Slaver pigs support of the knoble Matari Warriors Campaign !
Marlenus Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.12 15:19:00 - [29] Originally by: Jowen Datloran CCP don't do small changes or fixes anymore; it is major revamps or nothing. I have noticed this as well. If there's a long-awaited tweak that's not part of a larger over-arching project, it doesn't seem to happen any more. ------------------ Ironfleet.com

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