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Mordrake
Orbital Anvil Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:17:00 -
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Edited by: Mordrake on 04/02/2009 23:19:47
As to this debate over W-Space, there should be NO LOCAL, the stargates are what updates your ships computer in High sec and 0.0 as to who is in System with you.
Man made structures of steel and electronics and high technology.
W-Space is just that WILD
There are worm holes punching through it and constantly changing like maggots through a carcass... there are no Star Gates to feed your computer information on who is in the system you are in.
Additionally: if you come through a wormhole from W-Space into 0.0 or Empire I feel you should be stealthed in local...... IE: DO NOT APPEAR IN LOCAL OR BE ABLE TO SEE LOCAL Until you go through a Stargate or dock in a Station, when the local information network will pick you up again.
Will be great to bring some mystery and potential for undetected attacks into enemy territory until engagement of targets. Then slip back into the labyrinth of W-Space to attempt your escape or die lost and alone by your own hand.
Including Local in any way will ruin this...
"Arte et Marte" |
Armoured Gamer
Gallente
Globaltech Industries
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:18:00 -
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TL:DR and dont petition it dont you think the petition queue is long enough >_>
My main has the flu but i am still here
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:18:00 -
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Petition:
No more threads about local and w-space (Renamed to Goonspace).
 Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:22:00 -
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screw ur roleplay
uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
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Cat o'Ninetails
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:24:00 -
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dammit if you make this a petition then we cant post the devs response or we get in trouble
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Armoured Gamer
Gallente
Globaltech Industries
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Petition:
No more threads about local and w-space
ill sign on that and that only
/signed
My main has the flu but i am still here
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Scarlet Pimpdaddy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:26:00 -
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Here's a thought, with the changes to probes local may very well be done away with with no seriously adverse affect on PvP. In fact, could make it more interesting. 
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Armoured Gamer
Gallente
Globaltech Industries
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Scarlet Pimpdaddy
Here's a thought, with the changes to probes local may very well be done away with with no seriously adverse affect on PvP. In fact, could make it more interesting.
with cloakey jumping into system we will catch those damm ratting ravens now
*shakes fist o>* |
Johli
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:32:00 -
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BOLD ITALICIZED CAPITAL LETTERS MAKE ME SOUND SERIOUS |
Mordrake
Orbital Anvil Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Johli
BOLD ITALICIZED CAPITAL LETTERS MAKE ME SOUND SERIOUS
Works for me... you, not so much.
"Arte et Marte" |
Armoured Gamer
Gallente
Globaltech Industries
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Johli
BOLD ITALICIZED CAPITAL LETTERS MAKE ME SOUND SERIOUS
my eyes they are bleeding inside out @.@
My main has the flu but i am still here
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Johli
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Mordrake
Originally by: Johli
BOLD ITALICIZED CAPITAL LETTERS MAKE ME SOUND SERIOUS
Works for me... you, not so much.
You're right, I have to pair it with a terrible idea. :P
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Armoured Gamer
Gallente
Globaltech Industries
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Johli
Originally by: Mordrake
Originally by: Johli
BOLD ITALICIZED CAPITAL LETTERS MAKE ME SOUND SERIOUS
Works for me... you, not so much.
You're right, I have to pair it with a terrible idea. :P
thank god a quote my eyes are bleeding back to normal now
My main has the flu but i am still here
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Mordrake
Orbital Anvil Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Johli
You're right, I have to pair it with a terrible idea. :P
Ok Johli, what is it that you find terrible about this Idea?
Enlighten me please.
"Arte et Marte" |
Mordrake
Orbital Anvil Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.05 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mordrake
Ok Johli, what is it that you find terrible about this Idea?
Enlighten me please.
Perhaps you:
1- Want to feel safe and cozy while 0.0 Ratting and chaining Tripple 1 Mil BS spawns, safe in your Raven while watching local and Alliance intel chat?
2- Want to go into W-Space and reap the fantastic rewards safe in the knowledge that you can quickly warp back to the escape worm hole to empire space at Zero as soon as you see anyone else pop into local with you?
3- You don't like the Idea that a rival faction could appear in force in soft underbelly of your claimed 0.0 space and completely circumvent your well guarded choke points?
4- You like your games in easy mode and feel you should get maximum rewards while taking minimal precautions?
"Arte et Marte" |
Mordrake
Orbital Anvil Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.05 00:59:00 -
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Edited by: Mordrake on 05/02/2009 01:00:57
Originally by: Armoured Gamer
TL:DR and dont petition it dont you think the petition queue is long enough >_>
182 Words is too much for you to read?
You must have had issues with your education, and reading menus when going out to eat.
I will sum it up for you:
Local Bad for W-Space
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Pooned alot
Amarr
Cold Steel Inc.
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.02.05 01:18:00 -
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Edited by: Pooned alot on 05/02/2009 01:26:00
no local in a system with carebear content is just a formula for gank and grief. Makes those systems ONLY usefull for random fights amoung pvp'ers or easy KM's. (which would also be a welcome addition, say "nebula systems" where you have exactly that scenario, just no widescale carebear content)
But I think the primary goal ccp has with these is adding content, and spreading people out. Even deep 00 is getting quite congested in recent months |
Mordrake
Orbital Anvil Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.05 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Pooned alot
no local is just a formula for gank and grief asshats to irritate people. Makes those systems ONLY usefull for random fights.
Lame excuse, ya need to grow a pair.
Would it be so difficult to plan your excursions into W-Space and perhaps gather together 4 or 5 friends?
You would have the same advantage of not being easily tracked down, having someone on Scanner sentry is all you would need to do to be aware of potential threats.
I will group your concern under the "I enjoy my game on easy mode" category. |
Pooned alot
Amarr
Cold Steel Inc.
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.02.05 01:29:00 -
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you responded before I could clarify... But sure its always possible if PVP is all your looking for. |
Mordrake
Orbital Anvil Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.05 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Pooned alot
you responded before I could clarify... But sure its always possible if PVP is all your looking for.
I think Solo forays into W-Space would still be doable, and without local, a bit of luck and some safe spots would make avoiding PVP fairly easy.
The rewards we could potentially get from exploring this space are vast, and movement around it will be problematic at best. You will not see Gank squads flitting from gate to gate scouting the system ahead with a quick glance at local.
Exploration and combat will be methodical and require special set ups and skill sets.
Having no local will benefit both the PVP and PVE players IMHO |
Pooned alot
Amarr
Cold Steel Inc.
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.02.05 01:40:00 -
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I think even more so now that theres should be both types added. The upcoming space and strictly pvp centric areas (that are not like your typical 00 scenarios)
the new w-space isnt a bad idea the way it is, but every other mmo ever made has pvp specific areas and reward systems why not eve too? |
Johli
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.02.05 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Mordrake
Originally by: Mordrake
Ok Johli, what is it that you find terrible about this Idea?
Enlighten me please.
Perhaps you:
1- Want to feel safe and cozy while 0.0 Ratting and chaining Tripple 1 Mil BS spawns, safe in your Raven while watching local and Alliance intel chat?
2- Want to go into W-Space and reap the fantastic rewards safe in the knowledge that you can quickly warp back to the escape worm hole to empire space at Zero as soon as you see anyone else pop into local with you?
3- You don't like the Idea that a rival faction could appear in force in soft underbelly of your claimed 0.0 space and completely circumvent your well guarded choke points?
4- You like your games in easy mode and feel you should get maximum rewards while taking minimal precautions?
For a moment, I thought you were some terrible troll and forgot to switch chars to troll yourself. o.O
1. We have no bounties :( (sucky drone regions, do research kthxbai)
2. I'd probably log.
3. They're more than welcome in our space. more pewpew.
4. No, that's missionrunning. While everybody is finding T3, I would be ratting (hopefully) to afford T3.
As for your previous inquest, CCP already said it.
Quote:
Local and Wormhole Space!
Removing local from 0.0 has far reaching mechanical implications which are well beyond the scope of the project. Removing local just from wormhole space has been brought up but is not considered a part of the package we absolutely need to deliver. So it's not a top priority and thus hasn't been decided on. I'm somewhat afraid of people feeling it's too instanced if we do and 0.0 is not delayed.
But like I said, outside of our scope. Were local to go away from 0.0 that will apply to wormhole space as well.
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Mordrake
Orbital Anvil Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.05 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Johli
Shockingly Honest and frank post to be appearing on this forum
Quote:
Local and Wormhole Space!
Removing local from 0.0 has far reaching mechanical implications which are well beyond the scope of the project. Removing local just from wormhole space has been brought up but is not considered a part of the package we absolutely need to deliver. So it's not a top priority and thus hasn't been decided on. I'm somewhat afraid of people feeling it's too instanced if we do and 0.0 is not delayed.
But like I said, outside of our scope. Were local to go away from 0.0 that will apply to wormhole space as well.
Ok so CCP doing something that makes absolutely no sense with regard to the mythology of the game they have created.
As it states "Hasn't been decided on" tells me that if someone shows them the light at the end of the tunnel they may potentially not repeatedly bash their heads off the wall of said tunnel.
Which leads to my original post.
I hope that this huge addition to a game I love can live up to its full potential.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.05 02:27:00 -
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NO LOLCAL? |
Mordrake
Orbital Anvil Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.05 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
NO LOLCAL?
I know, crazy talk eh? ; ]
Think about it though... could be sweet!
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Mordrake
Orbital Anvil Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.05 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
dammit if you make this a petition then we cant post the devs response or we get in trouble
I would like a Dev point of view on this idea as well. |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.05 04:30:00 -
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Love the sentiment Mordrake but we already have a mega thread on this subject with dev responces.  |
Mordrake
Orbital Anvil Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.05 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Love the sentiment Mordrake but we already have a mega thread on this subject with dev responces.
Read it, my idea is different:
Not appearing in local when you enter back into K-Space from W-Space until you jump systems or dock.
"Arte et Marte" |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.05 05:02:00 -
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Yeah thats fine but the devs want any ideas about w-space local mechanics posted in that thread for easier access. But hey no big deal its still an interesting concept for applying some no-local mechanics to k-space. Maybe repost it in there just for the devs and you can continue to hash the idea out in this thread. 
inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan |
Mordrake
Orbital Anvil Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Yeah thats fine but the devs want any ideas about w-space local mechanics posted in that thread for easier access. But hey no big deal its still an interesting concept for applying some no-local mechanics to k-space. Maybe repost it in there just for the devs and you can continue to hash the idea out in this thread.
My Idea is posted in that thread.
Don't think the player base is easily able to find it on page 10
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